WTF is going on???school shooting.

I agree that an armed presence would have ended this sooner. But I think incidents like this push many parents farther away from guns., thus they will be highly vocal against it. Perhaps the answer is a new form of LEO... school police. Trained specifically in active shooter situations. Although an armd teacher would have helped he's not a professional. He may get himself killed. Time to put professionals in the schools and end this "soft target" environment.
We already have this in Dade County schools. The officers stationed at the schools are sworn officer and have the same training as a street cops, plus more. Been there for years. Resource Officers before that dating back into the 60s. But then, back in the 60s, we had rioting in the schools so they were backed up by regular police as needed.
 
Let me make this very clear, it's a terrible happening when any child is murdered. Sadly the most sickening part about it today is that it all depends on who does the murdering, how they are murdered, why they are being murdered, and if it's legal, in our Godless Socialist Amerika. Talk about depraved individuals shooting school children, how about the depraved mothers & doctors that murder 4,000 babies everyday in our abortion mills (55 million & counting), and they casually call this kind of murder a women's right to choose. It's A-OKAY for a scumbag doctor in his "right mind" to drill a hole in the head of a baby being born and suck it's brains out for the sake of convenience, but it's an atrocity when some nut job "not in his right mind" murders children with bullets while in a school. We educate our children to believe that they are a product of evolution, FREAKS OF NATURE, and as children or an adult when they commit acts like only FREAKS OF NATURE commit, morons ask, what is going on? Still the most dangerous place to live in Amerika is in the mothers womb. However pathetic, this is realty.

Ditto!! Also, let's not forget throwing God out of our schools!
 
I so sorry for you and your wife's pain. I'll pray for your family as well as the children that were killed
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Thanks. She's doing good this morning. She slept well. A doctor friend stopped by last night and gave her a little medication to settle the anxiety. She fell asleep and we had a couple of stiff drinks while he explained it to me. She had suffered PTSD years ago when this all happened. She's never had any reaction to other incidents around the country but this hit her hard because it was little children, it was less than an hour away, my bus partner lives within a mile or so of the school and her ex-coworker had kids there a few years ago. It brought back a lot of bad memories. Her friends are taking her to do hair, nails and shopping today... That works better than any meds. And I get to foot the bill.
 
Although yesterdays incident is tragic, horrible, senseless and just unbelievable, I don't think the gov't should make it sound like all gun owners are irresponsible. I heard the president for the Brady association say that there are no background checks done when buying a firearm. Is this guy nuts? Every gun I've bought has subjected me to an extensive background check.
People need to understand that its not the guns that are the problem, its the crazy ass people that obtain them illegally. The shooter yesterday used guns registered to his mom, why weren't they secured in a safe where he couldn't get to them? Especially if he had mental issues. My kids don't even know where my gun safe is, let alone able to get in it.
And what if the principal and teachers were able to conceal carry? Would he have made it to the classroom? So many questions.
 
The count is now 28. I would really like to know the genesis of the pathology here. I started playing a little Call of Duty when I retired and have been shocked at the number of cherubs and teens who are growing up killing on these games without any parental oversight. The games get into the players heads, are addicitive, and skew one sense of normal.
 
The count is now 28. I would really like to know the genesis of the pathology here. I started playing a little Call of Duty when I retired and have been shocked at the number of cherubs and teens who are growing up killing on these games without any parental oversight. The games get into the players heads, are addicitive, and skew one sense of normal.

I agree, it's like a bad Sci-fi movie. Where the kids are brain washed by the video game. But the shooter, having mental issues, should not have had access to weapons of any kind. Of course it's easy to second guess what should have been done. But as long as public places, churches and schools are gun free zones this is going to happen.
I am pretty sure having the ability to protect yourselves is one way to diminish the damage these nuts can do, but is not the answer to all.
Schools are going to have to be harden. It's going to cost us tax payers but this has to be done. Yeah, schools are going to look like prisons. But the children must be protected!
These are just some of my thoughts at this moment.
May God bless and protect us all.
 
"I heard the president for the Brady association say that there are no background checks done when buying a firearm. Is this guy nuts? Every gun I've bought has subjected me to an extensive background check.
People need to understand that its not the guns that are the problem, its the crazy ass people that obtain them illegally."
"My kids don't even know where my gun safe is, let alone able to get in it."

That's what I'M talkin' about....
 
Good point being made. The liberal, progressive, communist, sorry I just repeated myself.
They have key points and and they just keep repeating them. These key points to not have be true. The press will nevewr call they on it, so they get away with it.
 
On the subject of arming teachers-

We entrust to them our children. Those we love and cherish most.
If you would have a second thought about trusting them with a gun, you probably need to do some serious re evaluation in regards to who is teaching your kids. And probably some serious reflection on how well you know your kid's teachers.

This is why my kid is in private school, even though we really can't afford it. His teachers are some of the finest people I know. I trust them completely.
I wish they were armed.

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On the subject of arming teachers-

We entrust to them our children. Those we love and cherish most.
If you would have a second thought about trusting them with a gun, you probably need to do some serious re evaluation in regards to who is teaching your kids. And probably some serious reflection on how well you know your kid's teachers.

This is why my kid is in private school, even though we really can't afford it. His teachers are some of the finest people I know. I trust them completely.
I wish they were armed.

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Something I read today,

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The atrocity at the Connecticut elementary school will not be the last such horror, nor was it the first or even the worst. Go back to the year 1764, in what is now Franklin County, Pennsylvania. The first: during Pontiac’s Rebellion in the wake of the French and Indian War, four “warriors” entered a schoolhouse and slaughtered the headmaster and some ten children. Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . The worst: in 1927, a crazed monster beat his wife to death, then triggered a bombing in an elementary school in Bath, Michigan, killing some 38 kids and several adults.Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
I’ll repeat what I said in the Wall Street Journal op-ed section and on the Today show in 1999, after the Columbine High School atrocity: if we simply prepared teachers to handle this type of crisis the way we teach them to handle fires and medical emergencies, the death toll would drop dramatically. We don’t hear of mass deaths of children in school fires these days: fire drills have long since been commonplace, led by trained school staff, not to mention sprinkler systems and smoke alarms and strategically placed fire extinguishers that can nip a blaze in the bud while firefighters are en route. In the past, if someone “dropped dead,” people would cry and wring their hands and wail, “When will the ambulance get here?” Today, almost every responsible adult knows CPR; most schools have easily-operated Automatic Electronic Defibrillators readily accessible; and a heart attack victim’s chance of surviving until the paramedics arrive to take over is now far greater.
The same principle works for defending against mass murders…it just doesn’t work HERE, because it is politically incorrect to employ it HERE. After the Ma’alot massacre in 1974, Israel instituted a policy in which volunteer school personnel, parents, and grandparents received special training from the civil guard, and were seeded throughout the schools armed with discreetly concealed 9mm semiautomatic pistols. Since that time, there has been no successful mass murder at an Israeli school, and every attempt at such has been quickly shortstopped by the good guys’ gunfire, with minimal casualties among the innocent. Similar programs are in place in Peru and the Phillippines, with similarly successful results.
Some people see the logic in the Israeli approach. Dave Workman does, as seen here: Link Removed . Ann Coulter does, as seen here:Newtown School Shootings: Ann Coulter Makes a Case for Concealed-Carry Laws | The Wrap Media .
Unfortunately, in this country, logic has been buried under political correctness. Those in power whose ego is invested in brie et Chablis values that include scorn for the peasantry they accuse of “clinging to guns and Bibles” will never see that logic. Children will continue to die in gun-free zones hunting preserves for psychopathic murderers, and the cowardly murderers will continue to surrender or kill themselves as soon as armed good guys show up…far too late.
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Another option for protecting schools would be to implement the equivalent of "Sky Marshall's". This could be a combination of roving unidentified (except to school principals etc.) substitute teachers who are trained "School Marshall's" and a certain number of teachers who attend the same training. Yes the training would be costly and substitute "School Marshall's" would likely be more expensive than typical substitute's; however, this would bring a much greater level of security to our schools. As someone who pays high NY school property taxes, I would certainly willing to pay more for this type of protection. Publicizing the fact that unidentified (to the public) "School Marshal's" would be in schools should deter many such perps. In the event of an attack, having trained armed personnel on-site should make a big difference! The alternative of allowing almost any teacher to be armed, w/o specialized training, brings far too many new risks into the situation.
 
The alternative of allowing almost any teacher to be armed, w/o specialized training, brings far too many new risks into the situation.

Boocrap. See my post above for the reason why. Or answer me this: Why on earth would you entrust the care and education of your children to someone that you wouldn't trust to carry a gun and carry it responsibly?

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What about the ex school board member that set off three bombs in a school in 1927?
Was he carrying the three bombs and he suddenly snapped? Your argument was that if teachers had guns they might suddenly snap and kill kids with the gun they're carrying.
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the way kids treat their teachers nowadays, i could see it happening.
No more than the general population. Quite a bit less actually, since they're accustomed to that kind of stress.
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and how about that nutback "teacher of the year" that was caught running naked through an apartment complex?
How many kids do you think he would have killed if they'd seen his pecker?
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How close do you think he'd be to just unloading a magazine into his students?
Probably not at all since the two aren't related.
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Is this the same background check that is so often not done, thus allowing sex offenders to work as teachers?
When was it not done?.

My point is that anybody - even teachers - even *you* - could just decide on a whim that everyone around them has to die.
Actually that was my point. Your point was that teachers shouldn't be allowed to carry because their proximity to children would make them snap and start shooting kids, as if such an option isn't available to them now and as if there's' some sort of historical precedent for that assumption.
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If they have the same credentials I do, and they're subject to the same laws I am, let 'em carry
By credentials you mean had the background investigation for the kind of traitors like Aldrich Ames and the Walker family. Background investigations for clearances can be just as fallible as those for teachers.

Having had a top secret clearance (that is still active), and a CHL, I seriously doubt they've been screened anywhere close to how heavily I have been.

So it's okay in your book for people to carry in the presence of children as long as they have the same security clearance you have. Where have I heard that logic before? Oh yeah, the anti-gunners.
 
Well unfortunately, in this lawsuit-happy society of ours, liability is something that has to be considered. If a teacher has a mishap with a gun they carry, the school district would be liable. But if security duties are handled by the police or a private security company, the school district isn't liable. Not saying I like it, but that's the reality, my friend.

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Unfortunatly you are correct, which would meen nothing would be done, as the school would not pay for the extra security, even if tax's were raised for it, they would keep it and spend it elsewhere citing at this time the security is not nessessary..............
 
I have been thinking about this since the shooting happened and some of the actual facts came though, I do not doubt that the powers that be will be jumping about more gun laws, however I just wounder, at least in this case when the lawmakers, and those that can affect them will realize that the main problem is not guns, its people, this boy was clearly not all there, his family had to have known this, and while not actualy providing the guns, his mother made them accessable, apearently she just refused to see that her little boy was part wacko, maybe undiagnosed, but still very present, fortunatly the majority of society can keep there inner most feelings in check. and not blow the head off anyone that angers them, anyone has this ability, we are human, and when authoritys and family do not recagnize this in time bad things happen, years ago much more than now. teachers and schools would tend to see something like this coming, and alert the parents who at the time would most likely take action, at least lock up the freakin guns, but in this day and age parents, much more so than they used to, refuse to see there children may have mental issues, ..........sorry to say I have no real answer to this, but it is clear gun laws are not the answer, I got the feeling if the guns were not there he would have mowed down those kids with his car.
 
I agree that an armed presence would have ended this sooner. But I think incidents like this push many parents farther away from guns., thus they will be highly vocal against it. Perhaps the answer is a new form of LEO... school police. Trained specifically in active shooter situations. Although an armd teacher would have helped he's not a professional. He may get himself killed. Time to put professionals in the schools and end this "soft target" environment.

That goes back to the fundamental problem of farming personal security out to somebody else: Who is the only person that is with you 100% of the time? You. You want security, provide it yourself. You can't have a school police force everywhere.
 

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