Wonder how they'll feel Monday.

Lakeland Man said:
OK...I'll bite. TCD, you are a bad person for suggesting such a thing. The only possible reason tattedupboy could possible have for thinking Trayvin was innocent and Zimmerman was guilty was a thorough examination of the evidence. Of course, it wasn't the examination of the evidence in THIS case, but still...
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I'm sorry. I'll behave better in the future.
 
Lakeland Man said:
OK...I'll bite. TCD, you are a bad person for suggesting such a thing. The only possible reason tattedupboy could possible have for thinking Trayvin was innocent and Zimmerman was guilty was a thorough examination of the evidence. Of course, it wasn't the examination of the evidence in THIS case, but still...

Tattedupboy, you still haven't shown any evidence to back up your claims that Zimmerman lied. I have lived in my neighborhood for almost 8 years and I still don't know the street names of most of the roads in it. Most people have a tendency to not see details that don't directly affect them. Even as gun owners and carriers, who's SA should be on a higher level, we tend to ignore the details that are not right in front of us, an which we deem (consciously or unconsciously) to be irrelevant to our lives.

Trying to deflect the attention onto TCD just shows the weakness of your argument. And be certain of this...I an no fan of TCD. But when he is right, I am adult enough to admit it.
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I've shown no evidence? You might want to check a couple of posts up then. How one evaluates what I've presented is their prerogative, but hey, whatever. And who have I maligned on here?

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Here's what I'll concede though. People on both sides acknowledge all of the things GZ could've done differently, but I have yet to see any TM sympathizers acknowledge the same about TM. I'm not a parent, but when I do become one, I would teach my kids to call 911 if they're being followed, or, if they're as close to home as TM was, to run home and let me and the police deal with the "creepy ass you-know-what" (not that I'd be teaching my kids to use racist words though).

Edit: tricolordad, the burden is on you to prove that I am. Don't speculate.

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tattedupboy said:
And yet no one wants to get on tricolordad's case for suggesting that my sympathies for Trayvon Martin are racially motivated.

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Dude, I've known a few "boys" that have died before their time doing **** that got them killed. Hell, one of my best friends got killed. Was it a sad occasion? Hell yes! I miss him every day! Was it his avoidable? You bet! He could have made a better choice than to act a fool. Was he wrong? Absolutely. But the fact is, he was doing the same thing to somebody else that Trayvon Martin was doing to George Zimmerman. He was upset because the guy was following him while he moved through the store stuffing things in his pocket in a neighborhood that was experiencing the rash of crime that magically occurred everywhere he went. He got mad and came back and attacked the manager after he was told to leave. The employee behind the counter blew him in half with a 20 gauge to keep him from knifing the manager. Did it make the news? No, because the shopkeeper was hispanic and my friend was white.

You have offered nothing but arguments that were proven wrong during the last 6 months. It boils down to race. There's no other logical assumption to make! There's no other argument coming from the Martin supporters. In the end, it's about hurt feelings based on the perceived color of a man's skin.

See your fellow supporters in those pictures I posted? They're defacing and burning the American flag. They're attacking the system that gives them the right to protest the government and burn flags in anger when the white house has facilitated and transported them to the very locations that they are destroying. They're attacking the system that would rather let 100 guilty men go free than imprison one single innocent man. When your fellow supporters act like that and commit an act of violence upon this great nation, it just shows that Zimmerman was right to pull that trigger and that Martin was a murderous piece of trash. This is what he was protecting himself from. The enemy. He protected not only himself, but the "creepy ass cracker" in the neighborhood that would inevitably have crossed paths with Trayvon Martin at night. Considering the jewlery and screwdriver recovered from Martin at school, the next victim probably would have encountered that moron in his own home.
 
Tricolordad, I've said nothing to suggest that my sympathies are racially motivated. Stop it!

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tattedupboy said:
Here's what I'll concede though. People on both sides acknowledge all of the things GZ could've done differently, but I have yet to see any TM sympathizers acknowledge the same about TM. I'm not a parent, but when I do become one, I would teach my kids to call 911 if they're being followed, or, if they're as close to home as TM was, to run home and let me and the police deal with the "creepy ass you-know-what" (not that I'd be teaching my kids to use racist words though).

Edit: tricolordad, the burden is on you to prove that I am. Don't speculate.

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Instead of going home, Trayvon doubled back to attack someone who he used racist words to describe. The use of racist words proves that he hated Zimmerman because of his skin color. (I have black friends who never refer to white people as crackers, even the ones they don't like.) He attacked him and tried to kill him after describing him in such a way. It was a hate crime. (Don't forget, I am an Arab, I am not caucasian. The race card won't work here.) If his "supporters" don't have enough sense to think of a solution that doesn't involve assault and attempted murder, that shows the level of integrity they possess. From theirs, and your point of view, it's okay to attack and attempt to murder someone for following you because you don't like it, but it's not okay for him to protect himself. You defend Trayvon for doing so, but freely admit that you don't want your kid to do that same thing? Doesn't make sense to me or anyone else with half a mind. If you had a valid argument, you would not resort to contradicting yourself. It's about race to you, period.
 
Tricolordad, you're the one who insists my sympathies are racially motivated, despite nothing in anything I've posted suggesting that. If you feel justified in suggesting that my sympathies are racial, I could feel equally justified in accusing Zimmerman's supporters of dancing on the grave of a child, and supporting a child killer.

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tattedupboy said:
Not at all. But injustice is still injustice regardless.

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So it doesn't matter that the justice system did what it was supposed to do and both Anthony and Zimmerman were rendered not guilty by a jury of their peers after the state presented the best case they could, you think there still needs to be some form of "justice"?
 
walt629 said:
So it doesn't matter that the justice system did what it was supposed to do and both Anthony and Zimmerman were rendered not guilty by a jury of their peers after the state presented the best case they could, you think there still needs to be some form of "justice"?
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Don't put words in my mouth. What I'm saying is those verdicts weren't just.

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I am Black. I think O.J. was guilty in 1996 (and I was taken to task for having that position by all my Black friends) and, just like with Casey Anthony and George Zimmerman, I firmly believe that in all three cases, the victims did not receive the justice they deserved. I don't expect everyone to agree with me or my reasoning, but I take exception to being labeled something I'm not. Just because I'm Black doesn't mean I'm automatically going to side with the Black person in cases where the alleged criminal and victim are of different races.

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tattedupboy said:
Your version of events, just because it matches the jury's, doesn't make it the "truth." The only "truth" is that Martin and Zimmerman are the only two who really know what happened, and because Martin is dead, we got only one side of the story, point blank period.

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The evidence says otherwise. The evidence painted a picture that supportes of Martin don't like, so they ignore the evidence and the facts presented and substantiated by that evidence.
 
tattedupboy said:
I'm sorry, should etiquette have dictated that I say the actual word?

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No, but if wasn't a harbored sentiment, you'd never even think the word, much less substitute it into your post. We never danced on the grave of a child. We simply stated the facts. It's not our fault a cold blooded murderous wannabe thug got himself shot while trying to kill somebody.

By your broad definition, I am a child killer. Middle and high school age kids tried to blow up our soldiers and other children. I killed a few. They were trying to kill people too. Someone who defends what is right, even if he has to use deadly force, should be applauded for doing what is right. Murder is wrong, Trayvon Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman. You have never disputed this fact. Why is it right for Trayvon to kill but not George?
 
tattedupboy said:
And how else should Trayvon have responded to being followed in the darkness by a stranger whose intentions he wasn't able to ascertain?

What would it take for me to believe Zimmerman did the right thing? Well gee, that's a loaded question! I saw the proceedings and came to my own conclusion, just as I'm sure you saw them and came to your own. Based on the testimony I saw, George Zimmerman was wrong and the jury got this wrong.

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Martin's "right thing" move would have been to high tail it to his dads home instead of turning and confronting Zimmerman. Actually Martins "right thing" would have been to not get thrown out of school for smoking pot and getting into a fight in school that got him expelled. If he was still in school he would have been living in his Mommas house in Miami-Dade area instead of in Sanford at his Dads place.

All actions have consequence. Martin chose the wrong action.
 
tricolordad said:
No, but if wasn't a harbored sentiment, you'd never even think the word, much less substitute it into your post. We never danced on the grave of a child. We simply stated the facts. It's not our fault a cold blooded murderous wannabe thug got himself shot while trying to kill somebody.
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I'll acknowledge that you never danced on the grave of a child if you can acknowledge that my sentiment is not racially motivated.

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