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Carry: Taurus PT-1911
I have to agree with you there. I would rather live to "fight another day" than to go out in a futile "blaze of glory".
Why is .45 the new 9mm?
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I have to agree with you there. I would rather live to "fight another day" than to go out in a futile "blaze of glory".
Cocked _and_Locked
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Ain't that the truth.
Unfettered Might
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If more than one has a gun, I don't intend to stand toe to toe, I'll take cover as I'm sure they will too. You may need those extra rounds taking on multiple assailants that are behind cover.
No doubt that a 45 hits hard, but so do 9mm +P+ HPs.
Cocked _and_Locked
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Unfeathered Might: "Hey, can you guys wait a minute while I run for cover?"
Treo
Bullet Proof
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It's the basis of my sig line. I have absolutely no intention of trusting my life to the good will of a thug I am going to fight
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
Unfeathered Might: "Hey, can you guys wait a minute while I run for cover?"
LOL! You took the words right out of my mouth :biggrin:
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
I'd rather be in a scenario where I might get shot as opposed to one where I will get shot.
Some people on this site have been watching too many action movies.
hp-hobo
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You're obviously the one who watches too many action movies.I'd rather be in a scenario where I might get shot as opposed to one where I will get shot.
Some people on this site have been watching too many action movies.
I'm sure this will come as quite a shock to a self proclaimed expert such as yourself, but in the real world you don't get to pick which scenario you get. The scenario picks you. If that was possible, very few of us (except of course you) would carry a defensive weapon. We'd just check the bad guy's schedule and avoid being at the same place at the same time.
Unfortunately, it's not that easy.
I have no desire to engage any bad guys. Ever. Under any circumstances. But if I had to I hope he's cripple, blind and carries a nerf ball for a weapon so I can just get the f*ck outta Dodge. But if I'm in that Big-Box parking lot and a group of thugs accosts my wife or grandson, I'll take whatever action I think at the time will save them even if that means sacrificing myself as a last resort.
You on the other hand can put your fate in the hands of the criminal and hope that you only might get shot. Maybe he'll be reasonable and see it your way.
Treo
Bullet Proof
Problem is by not trying to defend yourself you leave will Vs. might up to the badguy.
One of the problems w/ carrying a gun is that people think the fact that you have one guarantees compliance. When you don't comply with the bad guy's demands it take the brain a second to react then he's playing catch up.
I learned this lesson in the real world a long time ago when a punk tried to intimidate me by pulling a knife when I punched him square in the nose instead of giving up my wallet he was stunned and never had a chance to catch up.
DOJ statistic indicate that people that fight back are less likely over all to be killed.
BTW for those who have issues w/ getting under cover did you never train on shoot and move? The first rule in a gunfight is to get off the X
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
You've got some serious anger issues there Hobo. Every thread I've seen you posting on ends up with you getting in the face (so to speak) of anyone who dares to have an opinion differing from yours.
You must have me confused with some other poster on this site. I'm not the one who believes he'll have time take cover, or to reload, or that I can take out multiple BGs who have guns pointed at me. Nope. No Hollywood delusions of grandeur here....I live in the real world. Your Rambo-like bravado would only serve to get you and anyone with you shot. If you really think you and your family would be safer by having you start a gun battle with multiple armed assailants then I feel sorry for your wife and grandson.
According to FBI stats there were almost 200,000 robberies in 2009 that involved a firearm. Less than 2000 of those resulted in the victime being killed. I'll do the math for you - that means in about 99% of armed robberies the victims(s) weren't killed.
Your suggested macho-man tactics would just about guarantee that the BGs would open fire. That 1% would quickly become a lot closer to 100% in your case.
Best of luck with that and try to stay away from "Call of Duty" and other video games. That's not how the real world works.
Bighouse Doc
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So what happened to 45 vs 9?
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B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
I'm not talking about a knife....I'm talking about a scenario with more than one gun pointed at me. It would be beyond stupid to draw when you're looking down the barrel of two or more guns, especially when you consider that the vast majority of armed robberies end with the 2 parties walking away afterwards (see my previous post). I would only draw in a situation where I felt as though I had an advantage and a good chance of walking away, or the stuff had already hit the fan I had no other choice.
6shootercarry
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Unfeathered Might: "Hey, can you guys wait a minute while I run for cover?"
Situational awareness. I believe Mr. Might was indicating that he would have run away from the situation before allowing it to unfold into a full blown shootout. Seeing the danger and avoiding it beats killing all involved and risking injury hands down..
You're so frigging smug and seem to be such an expert at all of it. Please explain how you'd handle it so as to provide an expert (laughable) opinion...:lazy2:
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6shootercarry
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:haha:
Treo
Bullet Proof
If that's what you feel is the right thing to do then do it. My nature is different when my flight or fight response get's triggered I am going to fight
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
Let me get this straight......if you had two or more BGs pointing guns at you and demanding your cash and car keys....you'd draw and try to engage them instead of just handing your stuff over and in all probability walking away?? You really think you're that good where you could take down multiple BGs who already had their guns out and trained on you?? Because that's the scenario I'm talking about, not some idiot who brought a knife to a gunfight.
gynojunkie
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Four guys in AZ in my club reload in .40, as well as a bunch of other calibers. Now, I don't really know a lot of shooters but 4/12 or so is fairly popular. One reason may be that there's a LOT of spent .40 brass lying around the range, precisely because it is real popular with the folks--especially the females.
Then, since you posed the question, I went down to Dillon Precision (3 miles from home) for some items and asked the counter peeps as to how popular .40 cal reloading is from their POV. In order of popularity: .45...9 mm....223....40 cal. So, if you kick out the rifle round, the .40 is even more popular. And Dillon Precision sells mucho reloading machines!
Treo
Bullet Proof
Treo
Bullet Proof
Unless you can promise me that they're going to walk away w/ out shooting me I'm going to fight.
I didn't say anything about being "good" I said I was going to fight. If they already have their guns out why should I think I have anything to lose?
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
Well I can pretty much promise you that they will shoot if you draw.
And isn't it pretty much SOP for armed robbers to already have a gun pointed at you when they demand your valuables?? I always thought thats how it worked. And I'm guessing that if they really meant to kill you I'm sure they'd just do it right off the bat and avoid any unnecessary chit-chat, then take your stuff.
Regardless, I'll let you "die like a viking". I'd rather be filling out paperwork for my stolen truck. For me the idea of defending myself doesn't mean committing suicide. Best of luck with that.
