Like many have said, the facts are still not out.
Whether GZ initiated the conflict is still not clear. If he did, does that negate the right to defend himself if he was actually in fear of his life when he was getting hit?
The kid's past history may not be the best but GZ apparently has an even worse history with police and actual trouble with the law.
Either way it looks like two troublemakers collided on that night. I would expect someone older to be a little wiser, especially when carrying a handgun. GZ probably will have a lot to explain either way.
I am figuring out the story just as much as anybody else, learning new aspects each day, each hour. I know GZ had run ins with the law before, but what exactly was he charged with? I have read reports it was domestic violence, where charges were dropped, is that true, and was that all he had?
No. I think they'll try to go the federal route. But if they get him on the misdemeanor does that open him up to the lawsuit?BC1, do you think the folks that have found Zimmerman guilty in the press of murder are going to be happy with Misdemeaner charges?
No. I think they'll try to go the federal route. But if they get him on the misdemeanor does that open him up to the lawsuit?
I also think the family is making a big mistake by playing the race card. Sharpton's and the Black panther's presence doesn't help things.
Now go hump some one else's leg.
The question that must be answered when wondering when to bring a gun into a situation whether any shots are fired or not is quite simple....The media will jump on anything that will sell ratings, because ratings = money! Sensationalism sells tickets!
So saying that, I will hold my judgement until I hear everything and see all of the evidence. From what has been reported, Zimmerman made a huge mistake following the kid. Sanford made a huge mistake by not conducting a thorough investigation, especially when a homicide has a occurred. Now, did Tayvon make any crucial mistakes?? Who knows, without "DIRECT" witness accounts and his version of the account, we will never know. The old addage is "Dead men tell no tales".
One of the major concerns that I have as a gun owner is the situation that you are confronted with an "unarmed" individual attacking you. We all know, if you get into a grappling/wrestling situation with a mugger, a drunk, or an idiot and they see your gun, they will most likely go for it! Saying that, without having an alternative non-lethal weapon, do I have the right to shoot? Because, if he knocks me out, he will definitely take my gun.
The most prolific writer, SGB of Tallahassee, posted more than 30 comments challenging assumptions by other USA Carry members who criticized Zimmerman."Well, you're long on conjecture but it appears you're short on FACTS as well as knowledge of Florida law," he wrote. "But, hey, that's the trade mark of the lynch mob mentality, please carry on with your persecution."
If that was right after the incident, there is no evidence of a broken nose as claimed. A broken nose would have been packed/taped and Zimmerman would have been breathing thru his mouth. No evidence of injury to the back of the head either. So either it wasn't that night right after the incident or the story is a coverup. A simple bloody nose from getting punched looks to be the worst that might have been possible in the scenes on the video and that had stopped bleeding already..Oh. My. Gosh.
I'm stunned. Stunned, I tell you. I've heard people say that Martin had beaten Zimmerman to a bloody pulp, and I didn't believe them. I thought for sure they were exaggerating. Sure they were making it up.
Link Removed, and I'm a believer now. Just look at how bloody Zimmerman's clothes are as he's brought into the police station.
Oh. My. Gosh.
I'm stunned. Stunned, I tell you. I've heard people say that Martin had beaten Zimmerman to a bloody pulp, and I didn't believe them. I thought for sure they were exaggerating. Sure they were making it up.
Link Removed, and I'm a believer now. Just look at how bloody Zimmerman's clothes are as he's brought into the police station.
If Jeff Wiener of the LA Times would have read the preliminary police report (like a "good" reporter), he would have noticed that Zimmerman was treated at the scene by SFD paramedics.
By the way: we're famous here.
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treated at the scene must also include shout pens/wipes to clean blood from clothes too. the front of that shirt has no blood on it at all. if he did have his nose broken/bloodied, it should have run down when he was upright. and like bob said, it would have been packed/bandaged, if that was the video right after the incident.
I may be mistaken, and it is too early in my morning for me to search for it, but I seem to recall that both the police report that was leaked and an eyewitness statement said that there was grass on the back of Zimmerman's jacket, the rear of his head was bloodied, and he appeared to have a broken nose.
Why would these people, the first to see Zimmerman, lie about something like that? At that point, they had no axe to grind and no way of knowing how this case would "blow up" in the media. I'd like to think that they were reporting their observations without bias.
What I'm saying is that there may be an explanation as to why Mr. Zimmerman appears to have been cleaned-up in the video. Surely, the first two eyewitnesses saw something to prompt them to make their statements. I can't believe that they would lie about it for no reason. But, as history has shown, I've been known to make mistakes, so I might be off-base here.
Like all other things, we'll just have to wait and see on this one. Frankly, I was surprised that Mr. Zimmerman did not appear more disheveled when arriving at the police station.
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