The key to your statement is that it takes a majority vote. That means there must be a vote! Will we realize that a vote is not available too late?
What Would The Vets Do?
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The key to your statement is that it takes a majority vote. That means there must be a vote! Will we realize that a vote is not available too late?
fstroupe
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Actually my reference of McCarthy, Goldwater, and Regan was that they specifically tried to warn us of the dangers of Marxism/liberalism/progressivism/communism.
My reference to Heller was probably an over-simplification, but the 4 are hardcore liberals who feel that our rights to bear arms should be infringed to some extent.
Rhino
New member
Fair enough. It hasn't been camouflaged or sneaky though. It's just been so gradual that many people haven't realized the extent. As for the 'domestic enemy sneaking right in' comment, the thread was about the premise of using the military to fight a domestic enemy. I was just pointing out that the progressivism issue you pointed out, though tragic and certainly dangerous for the country, wasn't something that warranted any sort of military action against some sort of domestic enemy.
No argument here. The dissenting opinions in Heller actually agreed that the 2nd amendment guaranteed an individual right. They just differed greatly in the scope and context of that right, mainly tied in with 'militia purposes'. To us that's no right at all, but I'm sure some would try to say it's just an issue of semantics. That's ridiculous of course.
CharlesMorrison
Banned
Thanks for the answers guys. I hope it is not as bad as it looks to me. I think the Tea Party is making headway to take back the country and replace the UN loving politicians but i am afraid it may be too late. The best thing we can do right now is vote and get as many like minded people to vote also. Even if Obama gets back in office if we can get back the Senate and keep the house we can make it more difficult for him to push his socialist agenda. I just don't understand what is wrong with people that do not do anything to protect their rights. People that say they don't vote because it doesn't make a difference. Idiots like that don't deserve to have the rights they currently enjoy but are the first to cry when it comes around and bites them in the &&%(. It is a total lack of respect for the veterans that fought for them to have any rights at all. Sunshine patriots. In this state you don't even have to leave your house to register and vote. How lazy can a person be. How uncaring about their children can they be.... not to, at least, vote to make a better future for the next generation. Makes me want to puke!!!! I'll get off my soapbox now...Good luck to, and GOD BLESS all veterans.
fstroupe
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This country has always been full of people who take it all for granted. Even George Washington and his army received minimal support from the population and the Continental Congress...."yeah, freedom sounds good....let me know when we've got it".
Today, most people don't care. They are more concerned with their own little world and don't give a crap about anything past the end of their driveway. Many are just struggling along, trying to survive. Many worry only about who wins "the game", the playoffs, who wins "American Idol" (now THAT'S a fitting title), who wins Talledega, how well that Peyton does this week, or what "Gibbs" does this week on "NCIS". Even at this forum of nearly 43,000 people who obviously care SOMETHING about their Second Amendment Rights, only a miniscule number participate in the Politics forum.
This election is just another election, and they didn't care about the last one so why should they care about this one?
Sometimes I wish that I were blissfully ignorant like they are. I would have fewer gray hairs and probably enjoy life a little more, if I weren't worrying so much about the future of people that don't give a crap.
Though there are actually many more people that care today than at any time in the 30 years or so that I have been informing people that they SHOULD pay attention. This is encouraging to me.
Is it too little too late? Maybe. Just because the tea parties aren't out there getting attention doesn't mean that the people that attended the rallies aren't out there....they are out there influencing people, working for campaigns, getting the word out on Facebook, Twitter, etc. I personally think that they should have all read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to see what they should have been doing for the past year or so.
And I am under no illusion that America will be saved by either side winning this election. IMO, the best we can do is have it die more slowly if we choose the regime that isn't Marxist. And maybe it can be saved in the meantime.
The people in the US Military do what they do for all Americans. Most who are currently in uniform probably haven't really thought about the fact that a significant number of Americans don't deserve it. But even if they have, you don't pick and choose, all Americans benefit from your doing what most aren't willing to....raise your right hand to give yourself to your country to serve, maybe fight, maybe die.
Though it is for me and you....the choice is not that clear to people who don't have a clue. I'm not making excuses for them, because there isn't any excuse....but I think that I would rather them stay home if they aren't going to educate themselves before going to the polls. And even then......
Shoobee
Banned
The tea party movement is an extremest group on the far right that has largely contributed to the rhetoric that has stifled the Repub party and log jammed any/all bills in Congress.
Not that I care. Less is better when it comes to bills in Congress.
As fas as I am concerned, we can let the tax breaks expire for both the rich and the middle class and the working poor.
Shoobee
Banned
The Heller ruling, concurring in the lower Court of Appeals, solves the problem, at least for handguns, for now.
Handguns are safe, because they are (1) popular and (2) serve a lawful purpose, according to Scalia and the majority of the court.
Rifles is a different story, particularly high capacity magazine fed rifles. That issue could require a whole new USSC ruling, if there is further legislation on rifles.
That's no good reason to vote for a flip flopping lying candidate who makes $10 mil to $20 mil in annual income and only pays 14% on it, and who has promised even more tax cuts for the rich, although with giving an explanation where the money is going to come from.
I hope John Roberts and the majority in the Heller ruling will live long lives and prosper.
Rhino
New member
They think about it. Not all the time mind you. But at some point during their service, at least half of all military members do ponder the thought at least once.
Shoobee, you are totally cluless. You're entertaining though. And you solve a lot of puzzles for me too. Whenever Obama says something really stupid, which is pretty much whenever he opens his mouth, and I wonder who on earth could have been so naive and misinformed enough to elect this man, I just think of your posts here and go, "Oh yeah. Right."
Shoobe
You can't really believe what you are saying can you? Handguns are safe from the gun-grabbers? To me it sound like their saying "Do worry honey, i promise i will pull out". Dream on and click your heels together and say there's no place like home... there's no place like home....because you aren't living in Kansas anymore.... if you believe that. They are not going to stop until they are done and we are totally screwed and enslaved and under the UN rule. All you have to do is study history. The first thing that a dictator does is take away the guns. And if Obama gets back in office the supreme court will be far to the left; and you ask, why is that so? Remember, half of the supreme court justices are older than dirt, and were around when dinosaurs roamed the earth. They are going to die, or retire soon, and then Obama will be able to appoint far left judges and then the second amendment and a lot of other rights are toast. I don't understand why people are so hung up on Romney being rich. News flash, Obama is not a poor man, he is a millionaire also. Oh, but he not as rich as Romney so he must be better. The reason he is not a rich as Romney is because he is an idiot and couldn't run any kind of business. At least Romney gives 30% of his income to charity...Does Obama? I don' think so. Oh, and by-the-way, almost every member of Congress and the Senate have money or are flat out stinking rich. SO WHAT! Should a man be punished because he worked hard and makes a good living or because his family had money? As far as him paying lower taxes, he didn't write the tax code, he is just smart enough to make it work for him. What is he suppose to do or say...I'm rich so i am going to pay the government more of my money so they can help the poor". Come on, can't you see how lame that reasoning is? If you suddenly became rich would you do that? No, you would hire lawyers so you could keep as much money as you can. Being envious of a man just because he is better off then you is what is wrong with this country...That is the "I deserve" mindset. No one deserves more than they worked for period. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth. It is stealing nothing more. It is punishing a person for making something of themselves and giving it to people that did not work for it and therefore don't deserve to take it. I believe in charity and helping the poor and people that can't help themselves, but not the sammy-suckers that just are too lazy to work ,or to proud to take a job that they consider below them. And before you say that bornfree must be a rich man, think again. I am a poor man also, and live on disability....I worked 25 years before i was disabled and am collecting the SS that i put in. Obama doesn't say " And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country." Obama's saying is "Ask what my county owes me and you and stick it for all you can! Don't worry about the future of the country, worry about yourself and nothing else. But what do you expect from a good socialist. I mean, look how rich and happy the people are in all the communist and socialist countries, and we can be just like them! I guess i am expecting too much out of public school graduates.
You can't really believe what you are saying can you? Handguns are safe from the gun-grabbers? To me it sound like their saying "Do worry honey, i promise i will pull out". Dream on and click your heels together and say there's no place like home... there's no place like home....because you aren't living in Kansas anymore.... if you believe that. They are not going to stop until they are done and we are totally screwed and enslaved and under the UN rule. All you have to do is study history. The first thing that a dictator does is take away the guns. And if Obama gets back in office the supreme court will be far to the left; and you ask, why is that so? Remember, half of the supreme court justices are older than dirt, and were around when dinosaurs roamed the earth. They are going to die, or retire soon, and then Obama will be able to appoint far left judges and then the second amendment and a lot of other rights are toast. I don't understand why people are so hung up on Romney being rich. News flash, Obama is not a poor man, he is a millionaire also. Oh, but he not as rich as Romney so he must be better. The reason he is not a rich as Romney is because he is an idiot and couldn't run any kind of business. At least Romney gives 30% of his income to charity...Does Obama? I don' think so. Oh, and by-the-way, almost every member of Congress and the Senate have money or are flat out stinking rich. SO WHAT! Should a man be punished because he worked hard and makes a good living or because his family had money? As far as him paying lower taxes, he didn't write the tax code, he is just smart enough to make it work for him. What is he suppose to do or say...I'm rich so i am going to pay the government more of my money so they can help the poor". Come on, can't you see how lame that reasoning is? If you suddenly became rich would you do that? No, you would hire lawyers so you could keep as much money as you can. Being envious of a man just because he is better off then you is what is wrong with this country...That is the "I deserve" mindset. No one deserves more than they worked for period. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth. It is stealing nothing more. It is punishing a person for making something of themselves and giving it to people that did not work for it and therefore don't deserve to take it. I believe in charity and helping the poor and people that can't help themselves, but not the sammy-suckers that just are too lazy to work ,or to proud to take a job that they consider below them. And before you say that bornfree must be a rich man, think again. I am a poor man also, and live on disability....I worked 25 years before i was disabled and am collecting the SS that i put in. Obama doesn't say " And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country." Obama's saying is "Ask what my county owes me and you and stick it for all you can! Don't worry about the future of the country, worry about yourself and nothing else. But what do you expect from a good socialist. I mean, look how rich and happy the people are in all the communist and socialist countries, and we can be just like them! I guess i am expecting too much out of public school graduates.
fstroupe
New member
Bornfree, besides being the local troll, Shoobee has drank gallons of the liberal/progressive/Marxist/socialist Kool-Ade. He has perfectly memorized all of the liberal talking points. You have wasted your time typing your excellent post, nothing you say penetrates. He will read your post only to find things make fun of you with, to impugn you, etc. He will not read your actual points because he doesn't understand them.
fstroupe
New member
Yeah, I hear ya. I'm a little surprised that I'm not the only one that responded. I'm sure I'm probably on a list somewhere lol.
dcselby1
Denny
Bornfree, as to your comment about the TeaParty, I agree that they've made some progress. Democrats AND Republicans are scared to death of them. Why? Because the ones that are realize that there are actually some Americans that understand that the PEOPLE are the ones that are supposed to be in charge!
HunterLee
HunterLee
The sad truth as most every post has pointed out: the socialist/comunist takeover began in the late 40s, and continued thru the 50s,60s,70s, 80s, 90s, and even continues now by the infiltrating of our school systems (colleges), so that they (the socialist/comunists) who became professors could brain wash (or mold the minds) of the students. If you were weak minded, or were easily swayed in a argument or debate, you were the perfect clay to be molded by these socialist professors. If you do not believe me, just look at who is on the "Progressive" side. Almost all were in college, and grew into their ideals during college. I have a degree, but am also a veteren and received my degree after serving. I have a nephew (who I am trying to wake up) that was raised "conservitive", but changed 180 degrees to a progressive while in college. To answer your question; I do not believe an "active duty" (highly trained) soldier will fire on his own people, but there are dumb asses in every walk of life. I also think that "If the ***** hit the fan" most vets would remember their oath to protect this/their nation; but there are dumb asses in every walk of life.
HunterLee
HunterLee
The tea party (that has broken zero laws) is extremest? What is your take on the "Occupy Wall Steet Sit In" (who raped, defaced, and stole)? You have no concept of our government and the parties differences. The conservitives (less government is best) and liberals (more government is best) fight on the location of our existing government, from pure socialism (extreme liberalism/progressive pure Government) to pure anarchy (extreme conservitivism absolutely no Government) and is a straight line from one to the other. Neither one is acceptable, as each would destroy our nation/country. So, we must allow (as conservitives) some government in our lives, but as conservitives we want as little as possible without the nation falling into anarchy. Also, (liberals) cannot allow complete government takeover of their lives, but as liberals, they want enough government, so they can make sure they are fed, clothed, and housed, even if they don't work. The funny upshot of all this is, if the liberals get their way, and get there "Big Government"; sure they will get their food stamps, there section 8 housing, and there "welfare checks". But, if you think for one minute that "Big Government" will let you sit on your butt while you get "their" money, you are wrong. They will have you out picking up garbage, and if you physically cannot, you will disappear.
tricolordad
Banned
Bornfree, I took an oath. You already know.
