What to do in a mugging situation?

[eagleeyes]

i'd like to take a course or practice with someone on the weapon retention training. i should ask my son he might be able to teach me a few things too his friend with swat training showed me a few things but we didn't repetitively practice it which i think would be some good training to have under my belt as well

 

[Bikenut]

Sorry Shoo-
I think you missed the mark with this post.

First- FAR More confrontations are ended without a single shot being fired than confrontations where "shooting" is warranted. Letting the BG know you are armed & will fight is enough in most cases. (Except where SA has utter failed and the attack is already in high gear.)

Second- Weapon retention training can be very effective in preventing your own firearm from being used against you.

Third- LEOs do NOT train to take their firearms out & immediately SHOOT! (LEOs are trained to know when to shoot & when NOT to shoot.)

On a personal note, I've been in several confrontations as a civilian and an LEO (30yrs ago) where presenting the firearm was ABSOLUTELY called for; but, shooting was NOT!

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As important as it is to know when to shoot.... it is equally as important to know when NOT! to shoot and that "don't shoot" instant can come anytime up to (maybe even including) the moment your finger begins squeezing the trigger.

 

[eagleeyes]

and sometimes the finger don't stop till too late after the thought . i read an interesting tid bit in that book i won about quicker to fire than to stop the trigger action after it started. probably another thing to practice on at the range

 

[Firefighterchen]

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that KA BAR - TDI knife. sounds pretty good as i'm in the market for a good tactical knife and the prices are more like what i can afford.....do you have one and are they sturdy and dependable in your opinion?? and can civilians purchase them?

I own two TDI knives, both are very nice knives. I do not use my primary TDI knife unless I am defending myself, as to keep the edge very sharp. The smaller one I actually bought from a member on this forum, and use quite regularly. The one on my bag is the smaller one, the one in the belt holster is my primary one. I am not LEO and I bought them, they do not have LEO restriction on it. The angled grip is neat, as it mimicks the handle of firearms, but it also gets some getting used to if you normally carry a straight knife. You have to be very careful with knives though! They do not have the same protection laws that firearms do.

IE: I can not bring my larger Ka-Bar TDI knife to Seattle WA as it violates the blade length by .250" or so.

Those biggies are made for combat and are too big for everyday applications.

Get one of these instead:

Maybe you have the knives mixed up. The Ka-Bar TDI LE knife is not big at all, but they are made for combat. Deploying a fixed blade knife will always be faster than a switchblade/folder.

As important as it is to know when to shoot.... it is equally as important to know when NOT! to shoot and that "don't shoot" instant can come anytime up to (maybe even including) the moment your finger begins squeezing the trigger.

@Bike, Treo, and TCox. Glad you guys posted since I did not jump on that kind of response again, fully agree with your guy's response.

 

[Treo]

Sorry Shoo-
I think you missed the mark with this post.
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You say that like it's an infrequent occurance

 

[tcox4freedom]

You say that like it's an infrequent occurance

LOL!

Just trying to be a little nicer than I've been in the past.

 

[eagleeyes]

nice knives. i'd like to get a good whittling knife too. i've been wanting to carve a hiking stick for years and just never got around to it..but someday...........heheh
i'm growing a holly tree to make a wand someday too
heheheh

 

[Shoobee]

The best hiking stick is just a closet pole from the hardware store.

Saw it to the height of your eyes, and then you can rest your bino's on top of it for birdwatching or hunting, or anything in between, sweetie.

 

[Shoobee]

You say that like it's an infrequent occurance

Treo you little biach!

Rule #1: Shoobee is always correct.

Rule #2: If it seems to you that Shoobee is incorrect, see Rule #1.

 

[Shoobee]

and sometimes the finger don't stop till too late after the thought . i read an interesting tid bit in that book i won about quicker to fire than to stop the trigger action after it started. probably another thing to practice on at the range

They have special classes on drawing and shooting and reloading, but they normally do not let you practice anything like that on the range because it is waaaayyyy toooooo dangerous.

 

[Shoobee]

i'd like to take a course or practice with someone on the weapon retention training. i should ask my son he might be able to teach me a few things too his friend with swat training showed me a few things but we didn't repetitively practice it which i think would be some good training to have under my belt as well

In any of the adventure sports, where things are dangerous, non-instructors should not pretend to be instructors.

You should find a certified instructor somewhere.

 

[Shoobee]

Sorry Shoo-
I think you missed the mark with this post.

First- FAR More confrontations are ended without a single shot being fired than confrontations where "shooting" is warranted. Letting the BG know you are armed & will fight is enough in most cases. (Except where SA has utter failed and the attack is already in high gear.)

Second- Weapon retention training can be very effective in preventing your own firearm from being used against you.

Third- LEOs do NOT train to take their firearms out & immediately SHOOT! (LEOs are trained to know when to shoot & when NOT to shoot.)

On a personal note, I've been in several confrontations as a civilian and an LEO (30yrs ago) where presenting the firearm was ABSOLUTELY called for; but, shooting was NOT!

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In the movies the cops always bring their weapon to bear and order the perp to drop their own. I don't know if that happens in real life.

I will take your word for it though.

As you are a LEO or former LEO I would not expect the normal rules for life long civilians to pertain to you though.

For anyone else, including myself, I highly recommend not to draw the weapon until you have good reason to shoot it, shoot it as soon as you can, and stay out of situations where you might ever need to do that.

That has always worked for me. In every case the criminal mind has backed down without my having to draw. But had I drawn it would only be to shoot.

 

[eagleeyes]

i have one similar shoobie doo wop and it does make a great hiking stick it's an old wooden shovel handle i done broke the shovel part off digging up pavers one day....but i do want to make my own someday out of a good piece of naturally found wood....to double as a ceremonial stick.....heheheh Link Removed
my other car is a broom rotflmao

 

[BC1]

Well I agree that the ghetto is no place to be unless you yourself live in the ghetto. And then it is a gunfight all day long.

My experience in my realm, the rest of the world, away from the ghetto, is that OC deters criminal minds from becoming potential perps.

They always instead attack weaklings. And a well trained OC is not a weakling. A well trained OC is a perp's worst nightmare.

Ghetto urchans frequent the same stores and malls as you do. This isn't a ghetto thing. This isn't a contest between OC and CC. This is simply a factual statement that one cannot assume all is OK because they have a gun.

 

[tcox4freedom]

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For anyone else, including myself, I highly recommend not to draw the weapon until you have good reason....

stay out of situations where you might ever need to do that....

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I think we are in agreement here. But, it is a REAL danger to have the mindset of "if you pull your gun, you WILL shoot someone."

There are also times when "presenting" a firearm or just removing it from the holster may be warranted.

For Example:
Let's say multiple BGs have come out from behind concealment and taken you by surprise. They aren't quite close enough to do you harm. (25-30 feet) But, they are armed with "knives" and/or "clubs" & there intent is absoulutly clear!

You sweep your concealment garment back & grab the grip of your firearm. But, it doesn't seem to stop them so you draw. When they see your firearm being drawn they drop their weapons & run; or they just run. (In other words they give up as they see you drawing your weapon.)​

Should you shoot one or more BG in the process of giving up or running away, you could be in HUGE legal trouble!



You have said that you have been involved in situations where you had to let the BG know you were armed; but you didn't have to draw. (That is EXCELLENT! It is also probably the most common occurrence in a SD situation.)


Every situation is different and may call for different stages of reaction/action. Shooting someone should be the ABSOLUTE last resort!


No offense meant;
But, you sound like a pretty young person who may not have had much life experience. I hope you will show some wisdom & listen to some of the people that have had more experience than you.

You can LEARN a great deal from people that have been through situations and lived with the "aftermath" of their decisions!

 

[BC1]

In any of the adventure sports, where things are dangerous, non-instructors should not pretend to be instructors.

You should find a certified instructor somewhere.

Yes, very good advice. For those who want a basic education in PP and carry, the NRA PPOTH course is a great starter.

 

[eagleeyes]

In any of the adventure sports, where things are dangerous, non-instructors should not pretend to be instructors.

You should find a certified instructor somewhere.

shoobie doo......i can learn from certified instructors as well as non certified yet experienced gunners...the swat guy has all the credentials to be an instructor and already instructs his employees.. he is an excellent marksman as well as very knowledgeable in h2h fighting and my son has also taught me well on gun safety and handling so i can learn from a wide variety of folks from all different levels of wisdom and skill......i will not be prejudiced against someone who has knowledge but is not 'certified' to instruct .......and the bottom line is whilst there are many teachers out there, ultimately we are our own teachers

 

[Treo]

For Example:[/B]
Let's say multiple BGs have come out from behind concealment and taken you by surprise. They aren't quite close enough to do you harm. (25-30 feet) But, they are armed with "knives" and/or "clubs" & there intent is absoulutly clear!

To be perfectly honest I'd be shooting at that point. (Unless of course they bailed as I drew) Google: Tueller Drill

 

[tcox4freedom]

Sorry double post!

 

[Shoobee]

To be perfectly honest I'd be shooting at that point. (Unless of course they bailed as I drew) Google: Tueller Drill

If your draw is so slow that anyone has time to do anything while you are doing it then you need to practice more.

A draw that slow can easily be interdicted and your gun taken away from you if it is that slow.