What Happens to Us When We Die?

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Please don't be irritated...it should come as no surprise that "believers" are not fearful.

Who brought up the fear stuff anyway?

Believers ALL know that perfect love casts out all fear! So that must have come from someone that is not claiming Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.... ya think?

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

Uhhhh..... every time a christian tells an atheist they are going to burn in hell for the simple reason they don't believe in nonsense, for starters.

Christians have been so thoroughly programmed (programming often starting before potty training) that they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors..
 
The best I can do is this. You are a "gun nut", mean that in a nice way. If you have to explain why you are a gun nut to someone, they would not understand! The words you use will not be understood and have no meaning! I believe you have met people like that. I know I have!!

Yea, there those that might meet the general description of "gun nut", but many gun owners are not. I own guns for a very valid reasons, self defense. Yes, I do train, and spend time at the range to meet that goal, being proficent with my guns in the event I do need to defend myself.

There are also collectors, and the main stream is quick to give them the 'gun nut' label, but that is their ignorance, and the gun collector is no more a gun nut than the coin collector is a 'coin nut', or the stamp collector is a 'stamp nut'.

Now spending a life time chasing impossible fantasies, yea, that's kinda nuts.
 
When the mention was made of theists looking in a mirror, this little article came to mind and, with a little thought, one can find out that we do look in a mirror but it goes much further than that.



What Does “Now, We See Through a Glass Darkly” Mean?



"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now stays faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (1 Corinthians 13: 12-13)"

"That is a frequent question that drives traffic to this blog. It is one of the perks of parking along a little piece of the information highway, to get a peek inside the anxieties and conversations taking place amongst the streams of humanity whizzing by. But I am not a mere voyeur, I do pray a blessing for you on your travels! And if this question is all that troubles you, be of good cheer — here is your explanation. The ‘glass’ the writer describes here is actually a mirror. The mirrors of the ancients were of polished metal, in many cases they were of brass and they required constant polishing, so that a sponge with pounded pumice-stone was generally attached to it. And it was the apostle Paul who wrote this famous passage from the Bible in a letter to a church in Corinth, which was famous for the manufacture of these kinds of mirrors. The images reflected in these brass mirrors were indistinct in comparison to our modern mirrors. They were seen Darkly. Which, literally translated from the original Greek language in which he wrote, means, “in a riddle or enigma…that the revelation appears indistinctly, imperfectly.” Paul is telling us that this is the state of our knowledge of divine things–imperfect and incomplete. “Now I know in part,” Paul mourns. There were limitations upon the knowledge even of Paul; only a part was seen. But wonderfully, it will not always be so. One glorious moment in the future every single human being on earth will suddenly face Him — Jesus! –without a veil, without obscurity, Face to Face!

Because, Then! When the murky image we are seeing is suddenly gone as we die, and the full revelation has come in the presence of Christ, what joy for those who believe and have proclaimed during their earthly lives that the name of Jesus is the Name above all Names! What dread and fear for those who never knew the power of that Name that could have saved them from their terrible moment. Because in our hearts we know that God is like a magnificent and dread Light that would extinguish any darkness approaching Him — we only have to look at the awesome Universe He created! We only need to examine the intricate workings of our own human eye that observes the worlds surrounding us–we need only study the micro-universe of our own human brains. All of these things were created to inspire awe, and to trouble us, and motivate us to seek the maker of these mysteries. And perhaps dear fellow traveler along the information highway — perhaps I have deeply troubled you, who innocently came here with a little bitty question about glass and darkness. Now you have bigger questions, and you are trembling inside, because you know you are not ready to die yet. You are filled with fear because of all the darkness of all of all the wrong things you have ever done, what the Bible calls sin. You know you are a sinner, and you are not ready for that dreadful moment of face to face.'
 
The proof that you have nothing is demonstrated in the fact you never address my points, just one liner Don Rickles type diversion.


You are a bit of a strange moto scooter.


2 Corinthians 6:14-15 NLT

Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil ? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?




sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
I may be sinning but I have finally decided that I will no longer try to present what I believe to people such as XD40, nogods and many others who only want to belittle, demean, make fun of and in short do all they can to shake my faith. I know and believe that we Believers are charged to spread the Gospel and do all we can to bring each person we know and meet to God. But there are some who will NEVER believe until it is to late.

I am willing to discuss God to those who seem to be willing to have a discussion but there are others who seem to be Satan's pawns who only want to bring Believers down to the bottomless pit. I will not get down in the filth and sin to try to save those who are not reachable! I and others have tried to tell those on this forum the truth but they do not hear nor see! God has written in the Bible that there will be those who will NEVER see or hear the truth. Therefor I have concluded that these people are hopeless. I do hope and pray they will become Believers. But I have not seen any indication so far!

This post will most likely send them into another rant and denial!
 
What happens when you die depends on what happens before you die.

Make sure you’re ready to die so that when the time comes, you won’t be surprised by what happens next.
 
This has been great! I find myself reading scripture even more now!
Revelations 12: 11
Matthew 12:37
Romans 8: 37-39

Oh and by the way vernsimpson, just for the record, I think the Glock is a fantastic pistol. 😊


sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
I may be sinning but I have finally decided that I will no longer try to present what I believe to people such as XD40, nogods and many others who only want to belittle, demean, make fun of and in short do all they can to shake my faith. I know and believe that we Believers are charged to spread the Gospel and do all we can to bring each person we know and meet to God. But there are some who will NEVER believe until it is to late.

I am willing to discuss God to those who seem to be willing to have a discussion but there are others who seem to be Satan's pawns who only want to bring Believers down to the bottomless pit. I will not get down in the filth and sin to try to save those who are not reachable! I and others have tried to tell those on this forum the truth but they do not hear nor see! God has written in the Bible that there will be those who will NEVER see or hear the truth. Therefor I have concluded that these people are hopeless. I do hope and pray they will become Believers. But I have not seen any indication so far!

This post will most likely send them into another rant and denial!

Vern: You should continue discussing the Bible at every opportunity. It is too easy to give up. You have to stay the course. You have to realize that XD and nosreme are die-hard atheists. They have their reasons for going that route and nothing we say will change them. Actually, they are doing us a favor by trying to dispute the existence of God. As Farmhood says, he finds himself reading the Bible even more now so that can't be bad! It is much more interesting to continue our repartee with them than to quit. Whatever response you give to them will be read by someone else and possibly plant a seed of belief in a person who didn't otherwise believe. The Bible says that God's word will not return void and you may touch someone you didn't know existed. Or several. Even if they were to quit posting, there are many of us on here that won't quit. As they say, "we may be preaching to the choir" but at least we will still be preaching God's word. Remember 2 Tim. 4:2, "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." And just think, wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if we were able to actually reach one of them? They are both intelligent so we will always have hope for them!
 
But there are some who will NEVER believe until it is to late.


This post will most likely send them into another rant and denial!

No rant, just a little chuckle as you again play the Pascal's Wager card is the moment you've conceded the argument.

Pascal's Wager isn't an argument for why God exists and is really real. Pascal's Wager is, in fact, 100% disconnected from the question of whether God exists and is really real. Pascal's Wager offers no evidence for God's existence -- not even the shaky "evidence" of the appearance of design or the supposed fine-tuning of the universe or the feelings in your heart. It offers no logical argument for why God must exist or probably exists -- not even the paper-thin "logic" of the First Cause argument. It does not offer one scrap of a positive reason for thinking that God is real.

Pascal's Wager is misdirection. Distraction. It's a way of drawing attention away from how crummy the arguments for God actually are. It's an evasion: a slippery, dodgy, wanna-be clever trick to avoid the actual argument. It's a way of making the debater feel wily and ingenious, while ignoring the actual question on the table.

It isn't an argument. It's an excuse for why you don't have an argument. And it's a completely pathetic excuse.
 
The problem with Pascal's Wager, is that it in itself cannot actually be used for a "reason" to believe. It's total bull$h!t. All of it. Just think about it. You either believe in something, or you don't. All of it based on various reasons and EVIDENCE that help trigger your belief. Not because, "you have nothing to lose by believing". Or else claim to believe, "just in case". Anyone who say's that is lying. They don't actually believe. And if they think they're going to bull$h!t God with that silly flim flam, the only person they're kidding is themselves. They will be sent to hell on the express elevator as fast as a non believer...... Assuming of course, there is such a thing.

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I don't believe in global warming because there is not enough hard evidence that it even exists. For every scientist who puts forth "evidence" that it does, there is another equally educated scientist who puts forth more "evidence" that it doesn't. Back and forth they go. No one is convincing anybody one way or the other. Now...... When all of sudden they're planting palm trees, and running around in shorts in Fargo in January. And there is a 9 month backlog waiting to get a swimming pool dug, then they might be on to something. Real, solid PROOF. Then you're going to get believers up the ass.

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Same deal with God. If and when he descends from the heavens, to the 50 yard line during the Super Bowl, then proceeds to make half the crowd disappear back into their houses. People might ACTUALLY believe. Or else makes the entire Congress disappear for GOOD. Again, real, solid PROOF. Playing Pascal's Wager for either global warming, or belief in God is a non productive, silly venture. Like trying to find high quality goods at Big Lot's.
 
Pascal's Wager is merely philosophical thought and has no business being used in Christian Apologetics. In the end, it states that the best bet would be on the existence of God. It, in itself doesn't have any meaning unless you try to counter someone else's argument. Christians are to share the Gospel of Jesus, which is the power of God for salvation to any who believe. Romans 1:16. In the end it is not going to be either/or, only that God does exist. No gaming or wordsmithing, God does exist. The only proof we have of God's existence is the Bible and faith. The onus is on the individual to believe or not. Remember Thomas said he wouldn't believe until he stuck his fingers in the Lord's wounds. We don't need that, we simply believe.
 
When they say;

Since you don't believe in my god, you're are going to hell
.....or
Since you don't believe in my god, and I'm going to kill you.

You know there ain't a lot of difference, and fear is the common denominator to perpetuate their views on others.

The first one it's your choice not to believe, it's your choice that you're going to hell.

while the second one is their choice to kill you.

How is that the same? If you don't believe, what fear have they brought to you in scenario one? How about scenario 2? I only see one group using fear (of death), the other group brings nothing if you don't believe.

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And that is simply not enough for a great many people. Many of whom like myself, want to believe.

The only thing I can say and point to is this. One thing that convinced me, other than Faith and the Bible, was all of life on Earth. How complex and interwoven the plants, animals, insects, birds and life in the seas are and depend on each other. There seems to be to much order for life here to just happened by a fluke! There are many who say that the Bible is wrong because the Earth is much older than what the Bible says it is. To that I say that Adam and Eve were created a man and a woman not a baby boy and girl. They were created a full grown man and woman. IMHO when the Earth and the Universe were created they were older than we all think they were. How God did this I do NOT know.

You should ask yourself some questions such as these.
Who wrote the laws of nature?
Who wrote the laws of the universe?
Could all this really be a fluke?
How could some slime washed up on a beach become all that lives today??

Do not allow yourself to be convenience that "the laws are the laws" from others!
I believe that God wrote the laws of nature and the universe and can change or bend them anytime He pleases.

Asking questions like you are doing is a good start! Wish I could help you more but I am unable to do more.
 
And that is simply not enough for a great many people. Many of whom like myself, want to believe.

Bill: The fact that you want to believe is a good start. Something (or someone) has attracted your attention so you need to pursue that. Do you read the Bible? Do you go to church? Do you do anything to learn more about God? The Bible has the answer to your questions. Prophecy from the Old Testament that has happened and is yet to happen is undeniable and more is revealed each day to let us now where we stand on the time continuum. In addition to the Bible, I would recommend you read The Harbinger and his follow on book,The Year of the Shemitah. These books show how we are connected to Ancient Israel and the happenings of today. I dare say that no one can deny what has been written. It is a start and, in combination with the Bible, all your questions will be answered. Be aware from the beginning however, that Jesus is not some person you an call up to have coffee with or dinner just to verify His existence. You will have to have faith but first you must study to see who you are putting your faith in. If you study it for yourself, it will become abundantly clear and you will be satisfied with what you learn.
 
The first one it's your choice not to believe, it's your choice that you're going to hell.

while the second one is their choice to kill you.

How is that the same? If you don't believe, what fear have they brought to you in scenario one? How about scenario 2? I only see one group using fear (of death), the other group brings nothing if you don't believe.

Because the rational presented to believe is fear, whether irrational or real.
 
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