Saltheart Foamfollower
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Duplicate post. Sorry.
What Happens to Us When We Die?
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XD40scinNC
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And when juries do look at circumstantial or suspect evidence, they have many times come to the wrong conclusion, as demonstrated by the number of convictions overturned when DNA evidence was later used to prove the conviction was wrong.
2,000+ years, billions of people searching for evidence...... and nada, zilch, zip...... The only conclusion is that gods exist only in the minds of men that want them to be real.
Oldgrunt
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Not that he needs defending, but nosreme is a man of considerable legal experience. This debate should be interesting. I disagree with his assertion that there is no evidence to support the existence of God but we have been down that road before.
Oldgrunt
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I started to pass this by but just couldn't resist saying that there is proof that there is God if one will only accept what the Bible says about prophecy. The Bible has predicted people, places and events many, many years before their occurrence. How could He have done that, with such accuracy? Too much there to dismiss as mere chance happenings. Since the Bible does contain in-depth examples of fulfilled prophecy, the Scripture itself reveals the Bible to be truth and the greatness of God. God, Himself, tells how to look at past prophecy. II Peter 1:19- 21; "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts. knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
This passage, Isa. 46: 9,10 says it all. "Remember the former things of old for I am God, and there is none else, I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand and I will do all my pleasure."
Fulfilled prophecy seems to verify the Bible and existence of God to me.
No where in the Bible does it say “You might as well follow Jesu s because even if it isn’t true you haven’t lost anything”
Jesus made it very clear that you have to choose one way or the other and you have to be sure enough about your choice to give up your life rather than change it.
Fire insurance faith isn’t real and it won’t sustain you through the trials of the Christian walk .
I was going to ask who you were cut and pasting from this time but I saw the author's name at the bottom.
I'm curious do you ever post your words? Do you ever try defend your faith without appealing to some scholar? I'm mean the Bible says that YOU are always be ready t give a reason for the hope that is within you.
YOUR reason not Joseph Chamber' reason
I've read 4 or 5 translations 2 or 3 times each and the only place in Scripture where I see believers debating with nonbelievers is the book of Acts where Paul makes a habit of explaining Christ to devout Jews from the Old Testament, in almost every case he states that the Jews he’s talking to should be aware of what he’s saying because Jesus was so well known.
When he’s speaking to non believers who didn’t have a Jewish background he shared what happened to him and how it changed him and then shares the Gospel and those who believe believe and those who don’t don’t. (Given he couldn’t make anyone believe that seems like a pretty common sense approach.)
Just off the top of my head
Elijah raised one kid from the dead
Jesus raised
Himself
The widow of Nain’s son
Jairus’ daughter
Lazarus
There were 500 righteous people that were resurrected at the crucifixion who came into Jerusalem after Jesus was raised
Peter raised Tabatha
Paul may have been raised from the dead and may have raised one person who fell asleep and fel out a window while he was preaching
vernsimpson
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There are some people on this thread who would still doubt, question and deny even if/when they are standing before God! IMHO they would believe that they could argue or present a valid case not to be sent to Hades!
I have heard many say, "That if God is so merciful and forgiving, why would He send people to Hades?" They fail to understand that Hades is every ones destination unless they repent, confess and accept Jesus as their Lord and Salvation!
Perhaps that is the real reason people can not accept this. It's to simple and they think there MUST be a catch!!!
I have heard many say, "That if God is so merciful and forgiving, why would He send people to Hades?" They fail to understand that Hades is every ones destination unless they repent, confess and accept Jesus as their Lord and Salvation!
Perhaps that is the real reason people can not accept this. It's to simple and they think there MUST be a catch!!!
Farmhood
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Thank God! That would be really goofy to print that on money instead of " In God We Trust" or to Thank the tooth fairy in the preamble of your states constitution.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Saltheart Foamfollower
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Nostradamus also made hundreds of predictions that have supposedly come true. That doesn't make him divine or a messiah.
XD40scinNC
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Many works of fiction relate events that occurred at sometime, many works of fiction have purely fictional stories that are almost identical to actual events, even though the writer had no knowledge of them. Coincidences do happen.
That is why works of fiction (written and movies) contain a disclaimer, similar to this;
All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
As for prophecies, fortune tellers are skilled at vague descriptions of future events, and actual events "kinda" match.
Oldgrunt
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C'mon now XD, that is stretching it, even for you. I won't say that similar things can't happen but, to be foretold thousands of years ago, and the number of prophecies having already been verified, puts the odds of that to more than chance occurrences. But, if you are satisfied, so be it.
I really don’t like quoting (even indirectly ) Ray Comfort but I believe in God because it makes no sense to me to look at humanity and assume that was came from random chance. If nature couldn’t randomly create something as simple as a can of Coke why should I believe that it randomly created me?
My own common sense just won't let me believe that
My own common sense just won't let me believe that
Ringo
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The study of Bible Prophecy has taken me through every single book of the Bible, and from cover to cover it's awesome to see the unfolding of God's plan for the human race. Today, the disturbing trend amongst Christian churches is to ignore and discredit the study of prophecy and those that teach it. Thirty percent of the Bible is prophetic in nature. So when a teacher or denomination collectively ignore that much scripture, or treat it as if it were unimportant, then they are sorely going to be missing things that tie the past and the present together with events to come. The study of prophecy is not meant to make one fatalistic about the concerns of this world, but rather, to bring hope and encouragement. It shouldn't replace evangelism, but deepen it. Battle Tactics 101 says to "divide and conquer"! So, like that dead Sardis church, the modern church has quit watching and come to abandon watching altogether. Currently, we live in the "age of information", so much so that it should be renamed, the "age of confusion". So many competing doctrines, philosophies, religions and political persuasions have bombarded mankind with every sort of belief system you can imagine. They're all intent on telling you that they have cornered the market on ideas and truth, and if you only buy into what they are selling, your life will be all the better. God uses prophecy to prove He is who He says He is, and to authenticate ALL the warnings and the promises found in the Bible. That's why it's so important for a believer to know the whole Bible, not just parts of it.
Life Is Good. :victory:
I'm not looking any more than you are. Again, please try to stick to the facts.
SR9
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I was watching a video the other day about a "Red Calf" born in Texas. To most, this would be nothing unusual, right?
Let me jump ahead, and then go back, and see if this is merely coincidence.
The Bible and Torah both speak of a red calf being used for sacrifice in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in Biblical times, and the rebuilding of the third Jewish Temple in the "End Times", where sacrifice will be reinstated again. Ok, bare that in mind.
Back to the red calf in Texas. near a town called Gatesville, a red calf was born on September 25th, 2014. Not only was it red, but had a perfect white 7 on it's forehead. This has been verified that it is real, not man made. The significance is; that September 25th is the first day of Hannukha and the first day of the 7th Shimita . The biblical prophecy says, Judgment will begin at the Gates. Isn't it ironic that the town was Gatesville Texas, which use to be Fort Gates.
So we have a red calf, born on September 25th in Gatesville with a perfect 7 on it's forehead. To many this may be a sign from God of coming Tribulation.
But then there are others that say this is just coincidence. But is it?
Let me jump ahead, and then go back, and see if this is merely coincidence.
The Bible and Torah both speak of a red calf being used for sacrifice in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in Biblical times, and the rebuilding of the third Jewish Temple in the "End Times", where sacrifice will be reinstated again. Ok, bare that in mind.
Back to the red calf in Texas. near a town called Gatesville, a red calf was born on September 25th, 2014. Not only was it red, but had a perfect white 7 on it's forehead. This has been verified that it is real, not man made. The significance is; that September 25th is the first day of Hannukha and the first day of the 7th Shimita . The biblical prophecy says, Judgment will begin at the Gates. Isn't it ironic that the town was Gatesville Texas, which use to be Fort Gates.
So we have a red calf, born on September 25th in Gatesville with a perfect 7 on it's forehead. To many this may be a sign from God of coming Tribulation.
But then there are others that say this is just coincidence. But is it?
Farmhood
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He didn't rise from the dead.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
billt
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Listening to both atheist's and "believers" talk about the afterlife, along with what supposedly is and isn't, is a bit like listening to Hillary Clinton talk about honesty. Or ISIS talk about providing free health care for minority Christians. Not knowing or having a clue won't stop any of them.
If by coincidence you mean “a load of unscriptural bovine by products” I agree that is quite a coincidence.
A red heifer is specified exactly one time in Scripture in Numbers 19:2 and the Scripture explicitly states that the heifer is to be without spot (guess what a white 7 would be considered).
The Bible says the judgment will begin at the HOUSE of the Lord not the gates
Hanukkah began on December 16th in 2014 not September 25
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