Unique Personal Identiy Number (UPIN)

Here in NJ when you recieve your FID card they give you a UPIN or Federal Firearms ID # that is logged with BATF & NJSP. The card never expires, is good for life & the # is permanently referenced & conjoined with your finger prints.
 
In Texas you cc license allows you to buy firearms without a background check as you cc permit was already checked, having to get a second permit is a money grab, personal opinion is nobody should have to get a permit 2nd amendment is the permit, some states require you to have serial number of weapon, Texas does not. Have social security number, license number and cc license number they can find me if they want with those three items. Unless I go off grid which I can do.
 
Seeya said:
Update: Recieved Letter from USDOJ,FBI that they recieved my VAF: Voluntary Appeal File on 11/28/11 forwarded to NICS: National Crimminal Background Check System and that the current proccess time is 109 days approximately. Mailed it on the 11/18/11.
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I had to do the same and it took me around 115 days I believe to get it, that was early September. All set now, what a crazy ride for all of this..................
 
Nightmare45 said:
In Texas you cc license allows you to buy firearms without a background check as you cc permit was already checked, having to get a second permit is a money grab, personal opinion is nobody should have to get a permit 2nd amendment is the permit, some states require you to have serial number of weapon, Texas does not. Have social security number, license number and cc license number they can find me if they want with those three items. Unless I go off grid which I can do.
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In Florida we are not subjected to LEO oversight!
Oh does Teaxs still have two supreme courts or did Perry fail to clarify? roflmao. Oh I might be clueless and Obama is hmmmmm! Lot of cowpatties on all sides and we all spread the manure! Don't you think? It's all talk and no cash! Talk is what it is BS.
 
Sure you can trust Governments, Just ask a Native American or a Jewish person!
My Father is Native American (Lakota) and instilled in his children a healthy distrust for Government!
 
Seeya said:
Unfortunately we are tracked and unless you want to live another kinda of life you will be tracked and if you fall off the grid they will still keep looking for you. Sad but true.
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.... or issue you unemployment checks after you have resumed work. .... or issue you SS checks after you are long deceased.

In a universe of endless possibilities.... the probability is that ANYTHING can happen at least once. (... and the likelihood goes up from there!) LOL!

GG
 
During my last firearm purchase they explained that the upin was only useful if you had a common name or were a victim of identity theft. They also explained that each person that had a Utah (resident?) ccw permit already had a daily background check run which was why they were able to skip that step of the purchase. Is that true of other states? Do they run frequent checks? I saw some anti gun propaganda the other day that said in other states a ccw holder could commit a felony and their permit would stay in force until they went to renew. I know it's propaganda but I thought I would ask.
 
Laithe said:
Thats not really what your social security number is for. Though admittedly it is the simplest thing to use.
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I refuse to give the SS number to anyone unless they're reporting tax information. ID theft is easy because so many companies use your SS as a customer ID and then don't guard the data very well. I was once asked for my SS number by Verizon Wireless when getting a new cell phone contract. I gave them a fake.
 
Spoke to NICS on 4/10/12 November 2011 requests being proccessed this month. Told me 109 days on November 29 2011 in letter saying they recieved my request, red tape delayed it a little longer lol.
 
BC1 said:
I refuse to give the SS number to anyone unless they're reporting tax information. ID theft is easy because so many companies use your SS as a customer ID and then don't guard the data very well. I was once asked for my SS number by Verizon Wireless when getting a new cell phone contract. I gave them a fake.
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My former employer wanted to use our SSN as an employee number. Till they were told that if they did, it wasn't covered by state laws for keeping records non-public. And the first person that had an identity theft case could take them to court on it. That changed their thinking real quick. The UPIN is needed when Identity Theft has happened as there may be someone out here using your SSN.
 
Well recieved a letter on 4/20/2012 from the FBI. It included my FBI record. What an eye opener! So I read it and it says not eligible to be entered into VAF. I read futher and find that a case from 1982 has no disposition as they so kindly highlighted. I know the case was NA (no action). So I go crazy looking for the disposition and find an original Clerk of Courts document that says Diligent Examanation of Files and Records in my Office Fails to find any Felony or Misdemeanor Record (s) for the below named person. A phone call to FBI and told to mail it and the entire application back with the original search of records document. Mailing it today. So just go get the dispositions from the Clerk of Courts for any case you may or not remember this will save time. Will get another original on Monday. Hope this helps others have a smoother process.
 
danh said:
That's what your social security numbers for.
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Mistake! Don't give your SS number to anyone unless they're reporting taxes or wage info. It's not to be used as an identifier. OK for banks, employment, credit checks. Don't provide this number to a doctors office, phone company, etc.

I love the way banks have coined the term "identity theft." They loan money to someone who claims to be you and then try to pawn the mistake off on you by saying your identity was stolen. My identity wasn't stolen. I'm still me. The fact is they got ripped off.
 
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Seeya said:
Well recieved a letter on 4/20/2012 from the FBI. It included my FBI record. What an eye opener! So I read it and it says not eligible to be entered into VAF. I read futher and find that a case from 1982 has no disposition as they so kindly highlighted. I know the case was NA (no action). So I go crazy looking for the disposition and find an original Clerk of Courts document that says Diligent Examanation of Files and Records in my Office Fails to find any Felony or Misdemeanor Record (s) for the below named person. A phone call to FBI and told to mail it and the entire application back with the original search of records document. Mailing it today. So just go get the dispositions from the Clerk of Courts for any case you may or not remember this will save time. Will get another original on Monday. Hope this helps others have a smoother process.
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Well I was a little busy making ends meet and jumping thru hoops. So here is the update from the above date and post. I sent the search of records with the package they sent me back to the FBI on 4/21/2012.

Recievied package back 5/18/2012. Went back to Clerk of Courts, show the Clerk the case on the FBI rap sheet and asked what do I need to do, he said he had been thru this before. The FBI had it listed as felony. He said it was most likely a misdemeanor. Took a week for the Cleark to get the Arrest Report, so he could find the Court Case File and issue a Dispostion. Mailed this back to FBI on 6/1/2012.

Whew!!!!! Finally got my UPIN # Today! 6/30/2012 I started this red tape on 10/18/2011 (paperwork) mailed on 10/18/2011 recieved UPIN # today 6/30/2012.

Roughly 7 & 1/2 months.

I might just go out for a JW Blue!!
 
Seeya said:
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Well I was a little busy making ends meet and jumping thru hoops. So here is the update from the above date and post. I sent the search of records with the package they sent me back to the FBI on 4/21/2012.

Recievied package back 5/18/2012. Went back to Clerk of Courts, show the Clerk the case on the FBI rap sheet and asked what do I need to do, he said he had been thru this before. The FBI had it listed as felony. He said it was most likely a misdemeanor. Took a week for the Cleark to get the Arrest Report, so he could find the Court Case File and issue a Dispostion. Mailed this back to FBI on 6/1/2012.

Whew!!!!! Finally got my UPIN # Today! 6/30/2012 I started this red tape on 10/18/2011 (paperwork) mailed on 10/18/2011 recieved UPIN # today 6/30/2012.

Roughly 7 & 1/2 months.

I might just go out for a JW Blue!!
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wow, it sounds like a daunting task. I'm at the beginning stages of the same road you went down. I sent in my VAF application on 10/01/12 this thread helps give me a feel for the time frame ahead. Thanks for the info.
 
GIFF said:
wow, it sounds like a daunting task. I'm at the beginning stages of the same road you went down. I sent in my VAF application on 10/01/12 this thread helps give me a feel for the time frame ahead. Thanks for the info.
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Good Luck keep us updated on your progress.
 
Update as follows:
I mailed in my VAF application on 10-01-12 .....
Today 10-15-12 I received a letter from the U.S. Department of Justice / Federal Bureau of Investigation
The Subject: "Application Acknowledgement" from (NICS) National Criminal Background Check (VAF) Voluntary Appeal File
My application has been forwarded on to the (AST) Appeal Service Team for further processing.
With that I am to be advised the VAF applications are processed in the order in which they are received, that being said they are experiencing a high volume of requests and are currently processing applications received in August 2012.

I will update as time goes on and there is something new to add or report. At this point I can only assume that I am approximately three months away from my turn at review.

If any of you are interested in having some of your questions answered directly you can call 1-877-FBI-NICS (324-6427)

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I hope this helps someone who may not know how to begin the process of obtaining a U-PIN number
 
Well update and info for all UPIN people. I found pistol I wanted a few days ago went in did the paperwork gave the FFL my UPIN and still got a conditional. Will pick it up on Tuesday. Out of town till then. What I found out is if the FFL uses the computer system it's automatic a conditional even with a UPIN. If they phone it in and tell the agent it's a UPIN it gets aprroved in 5-10 minutes. Lesson learned.
 
Due to the increased number of sales since 0bama started his tirade again, the BATFE has decided to pull all agents from the appeals section and put then in the NICS check section. So now appeals are dead till they get more agents. Sounds to me to be a way of denying someone the right to purchase a firearm without having legal standing to do so. Don't like a person, flag them. Oh sorry, you'll have to appeal and we aren't doing any presently. Feds Stop Processing NICS Denial Appeals - The Truth About Guns
 
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