I frickin' hate flying....this is one of many reasons.
NavyLCDR:303928 said:I frickin' hate flying....this is one of many reasons.
Really? Some people would say they were just providing for public safety.
Your trolling comments are unbecomming. And if you actually kept them in context instead of trying to take some obscure jab at me, you might sound a little bit smarter.
NavyLCDR:304002 said:Your trolling comments are unbecomming. And if you actually kept them in context instead of trying to take some obscure jab at me, you might sound a little bit smarter.
So, in other words, what you are trying to say is that it is OK for others to be detained and frisked by police because one person of unknown reliability calls 911 with a story of what may be true information or has more chance of being either a mistake or made up story.....but God forbid those government monsters in TSA shirts and rubber gloves start eyballing you? Why make this TSA issue about rights instead of public safety? It's OK for the police to do it on the street, but not when it affects you getting on an airplane? You don't think there are criminals out there that would stoop so low as to threaten to kill a grandmother if they didn't let them plant drugs on a little girl to smuugle them? Doesn't Joe Citizen on the street have the same rights as little Sally 4 year old getting on an airplane?
Why don't you polish the TSA badges and lick their boots the same way you do the cops' on the streets? It's about public safety, after all.
Don't get me wrong, I am against a lot of what the government says is OK for TSA to do. But I am equally against the rights violations happening every day out there in the name of "enforcing laws and providing public safety". An unjustified frisk is an unjustified frisk - whether it is a 4 year old girl in an airport or a 22 year old man dressed like a gang banger.
So, in other words, what you are trying to say is that it is OK for others to be detained and frisked by police because one person of unknown reliability calls 911 with a story of what may be true information or has more chance of being either a mistake or made up story.....but God forbid those government monsters in TSA shirts and rubber gloves start eyballing you? Why make this TSA issue about rights instead of public safety? It's OK for the police to do it on the street, but not when it affects you getting on an airplane? You don't think there are criminals out there that would stoop so low as to threaten to kill a grandmother if they didn't let them plant drugs on a little girl to smuugle them? Doesn't Joe Citizen on the street have the same rights as little Sally 4 year old getting on an airplane?
Why don't you polish the TSA badges and lick their boots the same way you do the cops' on the streets? It's about public safety, after all.
Don't get me wrong, I am against a lot of what the government says is OK for TSA to do. But I am equally against the rights violations happening every day out there in the name of "enforcing laws and providing public safety". An unjustified frisk is an unjustified frisk - whether it is a 4 year old girl in an airport or a 22 year old man dressed like a gang banger.
longslide10:304146 said:So, in other words, what you are trying to say is that it is OK for others to be detained and frisked by police because one person of unknown reliability calls 911 with a story of what may be true information or has more chance of being either a mistake or made up story.....but God forbid those government monsters in TSA shirts and rubber gloves start eyballing you? Why make this TSA issue about rights instead of public safety? It's OK for the police to do it on the street, but not when it affects you getting on an airplane? You don't think there are criminals out there that would stoop so low as to threaten to kill a grandmother if they didn't let them plant drugs on a little girl to smuugle them? Doesn't Joe Citizen on the street have the same rights as little Sally 4 year old getting on an airplane?
Why don't you polish the TSA badges and lick their boots the same way you do the cops' on the streets? It's about public safety, after all.
Don't get me wrong, I am against a lot of what the government says is OK for TSA to do. But I am equally against the rights violations happening every day out there in the name of "enforcing laws and providing public safety". An unjustified frisk is an unjustified frisk - whether it is a 4 year old girl in an airport or a 22 year old man dressed like a gang banger.
Get this: El Al, Israels airline, uses no such equipment and has a very high safety record just by profiling but profiling here is not PC because it's hurts people's feelings. Our BS laws are fast becoming our own worst enemy......well that and the govt.
1.) TSA is an experiment by the central state to determine the tolerance of Americans to tyranny - how much intrusion will we endure and how many of our civil rights are we willing to forfeit under the guise of safety or their demands...??? Outcry and indignation is producing virtually nothing as the grievances continue and the encroachments become more bold. The entreaties of U.S. congressmen and senators groped, delayed, and humiliated are routinely ignored now demonstrating the full force of the federal government to control absolutely everyone. When those that are actually part of the power structure can be manipulated like this by these "blue shirts" there is real trouble just over the horizon. TSA is spreading to more and more of the public space and have shown up at bus and train terminals, highway check points, and have threatened to invade high school proms. TSA is the framework for the "civilian national security force" that our current president called for in July of 2008 and it's in the test phase now. Individuals don't stand a chance to change this and I don't know how large of a contingent would be required to do so, if at all. It's impossible to predict if TSA is designed as a central state defense from civil unrest due to a black swan event or if they're here as police state enforcers when the time is right. Obviously, the current TSA employment compliment is not up to the needs of the aforementioned totalitarian/security state requirements but with the correct leadership from elsewhere and additional training many of them could be utilized as offense/defense pawns. For now however, TSA will continue to encroach on our rights, and our dignity; they'll be used to ascertain just how much the folks will put up with before there is serious pushback. But, as long as we want to keep our lives unthreatened by authoritarianism, maintain our lifestyles, and not lose our property, we'll put up with a lot!
2.) TSA is a jobs program. These are fairly good jobs in todays highly competitive market and they have excellent benefits. The government needs more worker bee's and TSA is the perfect place to hire people that probably have few skills needed in todays work environment. These employees with probably do just about anything that is asked of them with little or no thought of what they are doing to others, how their positions trample individual rights, and how truly ineffective they really are. Screeners will do what they are told and they will not buck the system, pure & simple. There will be true believers, "we're protecting the public from harm"; there are social misfits looking for that little bit of authority they could never exert otherwise; deviants offered an unending supply of gratification, and zealots waiting for their chance to be part of "the great change". Regardless of the categories mentioned, TSA personnel are afforded a government job with government benefits and it's doubtful that they will bite the hand that feeds them if push comes to shove.
Reminds me of an incident at a major airport. The TSA guy was groping the in-between of a guy's pants and instead of getting angry, the guy being groped made a face of enjoying the sensation together with the expression "ahhhhhh...ummmm...." loud enough for everyone on the line to hear him. The TSA guy dropped his hands immediately. If only looks could kill......File on TSA as assault, or slip on your rubber gloves and hold his junk with statement we are not going to hurt each other are we??
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