THIS is certainly going to give the Anti-gunners something to scream about.

[accidentalfelon]

God forbid that this guy shoot into the ground to warn the salesman.

Too many jackboots and legal geniuses touting the "shoot to kill" garbage.

So this is what it comes to, zero common sense.

For both parties is this case

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[BC1]

God forbid that this guy shoot into the ground to warn the salesman.

Too many jackboots and legal geniuses touting the "shoot to kill" garbage.

So this is what it comes to, zero common sense.

For both parties is this case

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Holy smokes!

If he shoots into the ground to warn a salesman I'm jailing him just the same. That defies common sense and in most states is equally aginst the law. You may not create a reckless situation on your own property to chase off the salesman. Just because you own the property doesn't exempt charges of reckless endagerment. You don't discharge a firearm in the direction of any person unless a threat of graver bodily harm exists. This ain't "Deliverance."

 

[accidentalfelon]

Holy smokes!

If he shoots into the ground to warn a salesman I'm jailing him just the same. That defies common sense and in most states is equally aginst the law. You may not create a reckless situation on your own property to chase off the salesman. Just because you own the property doesn't exempt charges of reckless endagerment. You don't discharge a firearm in the direction of any person unless a threat of graver bodily harm exists. This ain't "Deliverance."

Yeah, I guess you're right. We should all just follow the law like our forefathers. God Save the Queen.

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[Warbirds]

Yeah, I guess you're right. We should all just follow the law like our forefathers. God Save the Queen.

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Ooh Gawd, look who's back..........

 

[AppliedPerspective]

I thought door to door sales was dead anyway, it's moved on to phone harassment right?

Nope. I got a girl at the door today selling cleaning products. I have serious doubts that she was from Chicago as she claimed. The accent and the mentions of chitlins, mash, and grits kinda make me suspect otherwise. Also the only salesperson I've ever seen walk away from a "maybe" answer to a question. Also, I don't have a landline, so I haven't gotten a telemarketer call in years.

 

[accidentalfelon]

A few days ago I was in San Francisco with my family. My girls (fully prepared btw) were shopping on Market St. I went ahead and later tried to take a shortcut back and found myself in a twilight zone called the Tenderloin. I got out of there as fast as I could.

After 3 blocks of "nice camera, can I borrow that?" And "hey, you got any money?" Or "where do you think you are going? I'm talking to you." I felt pretty safe in my decision to not give a crap about whatever unconstitutional law happened to be the flavor of the day in San Francisco. One wrong look or response could have resulted in a hospital trip or worse.

Even so, I can tell you from experience that altercations that escalate from simple harassment to eventual robberies can be diffused simply by letting the aggressor know you are not willing to be a victim. If that means brandishing or even discharging the weapon in as safe a manner as possible a life can be saved. It happens thousands of times per year. Brandishing used to be taught as the first response in self defense until the same murderous minded cops that now keep us all in fear took over the job of teaching firearms courses and spread their murderous theories of "never pull it out unless you have to use it", and "always shoot to kill".

This salesman shouldn't have died. But he shouldn't have expected to boldly walk on a man's marked property as if it were his own without any fear! Again I say, a shot in the ground would have served the purpose and saved a life.

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[BHG1978]

Again, I'm not saying that the salesman should have been shot like he was.


but

 

[BHG1978]

Again, I'm not saying that the salesman should have been shot like he was.

What I am saying is it his own fault because he chose to ignore 3 clearly posted "No Trespassing" signs and entered the property anyway. It does not matter if he was a salesman, a jehovah's witness or a person looking for a lost dog . When you see that a property owner has taken the time to post "no trespassing" signs on their property, that property should be avoided unless you are personally invited on by the owner.

People brush it off like "i'm not really trespassing because i'm not a bad guy or "insert excuse to enter the property without permission" but seriously your intention for going on the property has nothing to do with the person's mindset that took the time to post the signs nor does inten have anything to do with determining if your trespassing.


A person is trespassing is they enter onto a property after being forbidden from doing so either by clearly posted signs or if no signs are posted. if the property owner verbally tells you to leave and you don't, or you leave and come back.

That's why those people post the signs up, it's the 1st warning and is in the written statute and should not be ignored The penalty for trespassing is not supposed to be "death" but why trust the mindset of a property owner that posts the signs to make that decision..... oh hell no

I personally perceive the people that post "no trespassing signs" up in a residential area" like his as being a little weird in the head anyway as it is too easy for a kid to unknowingly cut through a yard walking to a friend's house without even understanding they are trespassing. In rural areas, the signs make a whole hell of a lot more sense..

That salesman should have known better than to go onto residential property with those signs posted like that, If the guy hadn't shot him, he could have sicked a dog on him hit him with his truck, hit him with a bat .

If you are headed toward property and you do not know the owner and were not invited and you see "no trespassing" signs posted. Do not enter that property, assume this would be the outcome , don't assume they will make an exception for you.


A single " no trespassing sign" should be treated as if that property owner is standing in front of you with a gun saying "do not come on my property" what would you do in that situation? I'm willing to bet you would stop in your tracks and not ignore it, well this salesman ignored not 1 but 3 posted signs.


I assume everybody that posts no trespassing signs on the borders of their property is most likely a gun owner willing to shoot me if i ignore those sign/s