THIS is certainly going to give the Anti-gunners something to scream about.
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silvia0073
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What a nut case. WTF!
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If the neighborhood thought he was a crazy nut case, why didn't they report him? We are all responsible for our own safety as well as others. This could have possibly been avoided if someone had spoken to authorities. I hear talk all the time about situational awareness. Appears to me according to the story posted, someone knew he was nuts. If his medical records are sealed thanks to HIPPA, mental illness would not show up on a back ground check. You can thank our political brain trust for HIPPA.
I'm not sure if HIPPA would be as much of an effect. I would think a LPC would be able to send the information without actually identifying anything other than "unsuitable to purchase firearm," thus not violating protection laws. However, I wouldn't know for sure.
The sad thing is, a paranoid guy like this, or the "neighborhood crazy," would never consider himself crazy, so he would have never gone to a counselor anyway. He can't be forced into counseling.
The sad thing is, a paranoid guy like this, or the "neighborhood crazy," would never consider himself crazy, so he would have never gone to a counselor anyway. He can't be forced into counseling.
golocx4
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They did. What could the cops do. They told the neighbors to stay away from him.
We have been indoctrinated to believe that we need more cops.
Again I say:
COPS don't prevent crime, they investigate it.
This guy was not shot because the shooter was "crazy", this salesman was shot because he ignored 3 clearly posted "No Trespassing" signs and went on the property anyway.
I'm in Va, not Florida, but the signs are the same and even one "No Trespassing" sign posted on the property should be treated as if the property owner is standing in front of and pointing at you saying "do not come on my property or else". The salesman should have skipped that house .
I work as a private investigator in Va and do surveillance on worker's comp and personal injury claimants for insurance companies . I always find myself knocking on the doors of area neighbors to see if the person is home and gather information. This is done under a "pretext' cover which a door to door salesman pretext could easily be used. I NEVER set foot on any property that has even 1 clearly posted "No Trespassing" sign and this guy had 3 of them posted.
The people that take the time to post these "No Trespassing signs" on their property whether residential or rural, do not want anybody to se foot on their property, not to sell anything, ask for directions, look for a lost dog, really any purpose at all. If a " No Trespassing sign is posted. DO NOT set foot (or vehicle) on that property. At the very least, you can get a trespassing charge, at the most you can get shot like this guy.
I'm in Va, not Florida, but the signs are the same and even one "No Trespassing" sign posted on the property should be treated as if the property owner is standing in front of and pointing at you saying "do not come on my property or else". The salesman should have skipped that house .
I work as a private investigator in Va and do surveillance on worker's comp and personal injury claimants for insurance companies . I always find myself knocking on the doors of area neighbors to see if the person is home and gather information. This is done under a "pretext' cover which a door to door salesman pretext could easily be used. I NEVER set foot on any property that has even 1 clearly posted "No Trespassing" sign and this guy had 3 of them posted.
The people that take the time to post these "No Trespassing signs" on their property whether residential or rural, do not want anybody to se foot on their property, not to sell anything, ask for directions, look for a lost dog, really any purpose at all. If a " No Trespassing sign is posted. DO NOT set foot (or vehicle) on that property. At the very least, you can get a trespassing charge, at the most you can get shot like this guy.
silvia0073
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I agree. But if it was me, I wouldn't have shot the guy seeing he was unarmed and if I was the sales guy, I wouldn't of gone onto his property. Shooting someone for a minor offense such as trespassing is stupid. If you want people to stay out to the point you'd shoot them dead, completely fence in your home with locked entrances or move to the north pole. Why live around people? I bet this guy will even shoot a child who wanders onto his property.
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BC1
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Maybe he didn't want the magazines.
BC1
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Uh oh! Sometimes the investigators get too assertive. My wife had a bad auto accident. PI for her disability insurer floated around. We took a trick from Eddie Murphy one night. He was parked down the road in a private road. We crossed and crawled out behind his car. Put a peeled potato in the exhaust pipe. When we left for dinner he followed for a short period and then pulled off the highway.
Another night he was hanging out in the same spot. I gave the local kids $10 to sneak up and blow an air-horn next to his window.
He went to the neighbor to ask questions. He opened a gate which had a beware of dog sign on it and got chased by their GSD.
Gotta love it. I understand he's only doing his job but it's a real barn-burner to screw with him. Haven't had so much fun since halloween as a kid.
Well think about it though, you have a guy that lives in a residential neighborhood that takes the time to post 3 "No Trespassing" signs on his property. He does not want anybody on his property uninvited not a salesman, not a person looking for a lost dog, using his driveway to turn car around pretty much nobody.
Just because the guy said he was "salesman", it doesn't mean the shooter believed him. Hell, in my line of work I have fake id's car door magnets, tolll free numbers and full on constumes but still some paranoid people out there don't buy my pretext covers so I'm not taking my chances with people that take their time to post those signs
I'm not saying that every property owner with "No Trespassing" signs posted will shoot a person that enters the property, but for my safety, I assume that they would so I do not go on the property. Again, in my line of work I routinely have to enter private property and knock on doors of strangers and I skip any property/house/yard marked with a "No Trespassing" sign. If I'm walking through some woods and I come to a tree with a "No Trespassing" sign posted, I immediately turn around and walk back the way I came.
That salesman should have known better than to ignore "no trespassing signs. I would be surprised if his employer didn't have some sort of handbook & policy telling them so.
The public needs to be aware that a posted "no trespassing" sign should be treated as a 1st verbal warning from the property owner not to come on the property.
Most property owners may just call the police, some may tell you a 2nd time to leave, but I treat it as if they would react like the guy in this situation so i don't enter any property with "no trespassing' signs posted
BC1
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We don't get angry at him. He's only doing his job. He sees her injuries are real. She suffered a broken back (with surgical rods/screws/artificial disks), herniated C2/C3 & C3/C4, broken clavical, broken ribs, torn rotator cuff, bicep and tricep. Three surgeries with one more to go. Walking on French crutches still. But, he has to do his job. She's friendly and waves to him if he drives past. We saw him grocery shopping one day and he sheepishly smiled and said hello. I hope he doesn't know who "tail -
- piped" him.We don't get angry at him. He's only doing his job. He sees her injuries are real. She suffered a broken back (with surgical rods/screws/artificial disks), herniated C2/C3 & C3/C4, broken clavical, broken ribs, torn rotator cuff, bicep and tricep. Three surgeries with one more to go. Walking on French crutches still. But, he has to do his job. She's friendly and waves to him if he drives past. We saw him grocery shopping one day and he sheepishly smiled and said hello. I hope he doesn't know who "tail -
Yeah us investigators just want to get something on video whether it helps the claimant or our client we don't care we just tape what is there and get payed by the hour either way
Most are legit though just week I taped a guy at his house doing all kinds of yardwork then next day he went to a dr app and suddenly used a cane and put on a show for the dr staff like he could hardly walk, then the next day at his house again he is out & about as if no injury exists.
You can imagine how that then looks to the insurance company, there is enough of those situations that happen that keeps them checking up on every claimant every once and awhile.
But back on topic I never go people's property marked with "no trespassing signs" to get info or take video I just assume my luck would put me on the person like the florida guy's property that would shoot me as soon as i said "good morning, i'm... BANG....."
accidentalfelon
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You must be new or things must have changed over 20 years because when I did subrosa most were NOT legit. By the time they got to me the insurance company had good reason to spend the money on our services. We turned in all video evidence and found about 15 to 20 percent accurately presenting their condition.
This will be an interesting case. Where is the line of personal safety? The reason thus man is dead is because the sanctity if our own personal property is violated daily by the government, giving rise to the belief that personal property means nothing.
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eagleeyes
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i don't see it as an immediate threat just being on property not even inside the home .......it's not like the meat vendor made a threat to the property owners life or anything all he done was trespass perhaps unknowingly too and did the sign say 'trespassers would be shot' or 'no tresspassing'?
i think the guy jumped his own guns got trigger happy and shot because he felt he could get away with it imo
i hope he doesn't as he was not using his head or thinking about the regard for others lives in the situation as far as i'm concerned
i think the guy jumped his own guns got trigger happy and shot because he felt he could get away with it imo
i hope he doesn't as he was not using his head or thinking about the regard for others lives in the situation as far as i'm concerned
longslide10
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Some of those salesmen can be overly persistent to the point of agitating. I don't like people coming to my door trying to cold sell but I wouldn't shoot the poor bastard I just say I don't have time for you and shut the door. I thought door to door sales was dead anyway, it's moved on to phone harassment right?
It may give then some thing to think about only because had other people been armed and started fireing back, one of two things would have happened, either the cops would have found him dead, hence to trail, or he would be laid up in the hospital. In MY opion, if more people were armed, I think that their would be less gun crime because the "bad" guy would not know the the person that he (or she) was going to try to rob would end up shooting them. Again this is just MY opion
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