All true, but I hope you're not missing my point: His behaviour was well known inside that department - he had several other incidents, the youtube video wasn't the first. My point was that he should have been fired long ago due to the actions of his own department, not just because a video got out on the internet.
And I agree with your previous comments: I have no problem with people making their own decisions on informing an officer or not. I only disagree with being forced to do it.
Thanks,
Actually, your license plate is run as soon as he/she has you pulled over. Not when you are being pursued? And it is the LICENSE PLATE that tells the officer if that vehicle is registered to a CHL. That is what the Sheriff's Dept. told me when I picked up my CHL the first time. After he/she has observed your DL or CHL, he may still run your information to check on wants and warrants. And probably will to see what kind of driving record you have as well. Just because you have a CHL, doesn't mean you didn't just commit some other crime recently? What I mean is...just because they know your a CHL by running your license plate, and by viewing your CHL, doesn't mean you didn't just beat your wife that day, or commit any other crime that would disqualify you from being a legally armed citizen any longer?
So by running your plate, and then your DL, and or your CHL; LE can check and double check any information that has to do with you, and your vehicle?
YOU SAID, "That's the reason you see stories of officers getting in fights and sometimes shot at traffic stops. They don't know what they got until they run the drivers license." I'm sorry, but I don't believe this to be the case at all? The reason, I believe you see stories of officers getting in fights and sometimes shot at traffic stops, is because they are dealing with criminals, not law abiding citizens? And it doesn't matter at that point whether they run the drivers license or not, does it?
Too many scenarios can be debated at a traffic stop. I'm certainly not going to entertain the idea. I just wanted to share with you that YES in OHIO they know you are CHL when they run your plate. They already have your name, address, etc... That's just the plate. Then they may ask to see your DL, registration, maybe even your CHL?
Have you quit taking your meds again? You seem to have a argumentative character about you. My State requires CWP holders to inform the officer we are carrying. Unlike you, I don't have a problem with that. And unlike you, I don't think it is an affront to me rights. In my opinion, only some lower educated conspiracy theorist nuts would think informing is the "GOVT" trying to get one over on you. SHEESH! Give ME a break!!
FTG-05:250852 said:Have you quit taking your meds again? You seem to have a argumentative character about you. My State requires CWP holders to inform the officer we are carrying. Unlike you, I don't have a problem with that. And unlike you, I don't think it is an affront to me rights. In my opinion, only some lower educated conspiracy theorist nuts would think informing is the "GOVT" trying to get one over on you. SHEESH! Give ME a break!!
A long long time ago I learned to stop digging when I find myself in a hole.
In your case, you need to stop cranking up the power shovel....
No offense.
You seem to just want to argue and do the childish one-up thing, just like your buddy Navy LCDR, who I think needs to start taking his meds again.
Have you quit taking your meds again? You seem to have a argumentative character about you. My State requires CWP holders to inform the officer we are carrying. Unlike you, I don't have a problem with that. And unlike you, I don't think it is an affront to me rights. In my opinion, only some lower educated conspiracy theorist nuts would think informing is the "GOVT" trying to get one over on you. SHEESH! Give ME a break!!
DEAR READER: Yet again, for perhaps the tenth time in this thread alone, GOV5 ^^^^^ is giving bad information laced with his assumptions. It has only been about a week since the last time he did this on this exact subject. You may want to consider this whenever reading GOV5's advice in the future.
As I quoted at least twice in this thread, directly from our own laws, MY state (SC) requires ONLY that you present your permit to the officer ONLY if you are carrying, and ONLY after he identifies himself and asks for identification. The LAW does NOT require a permit holder to inform the officer he is carrying, what he is carrying, where he is carrying, etc. GOV5 adds all that stuff as assumptions. And while they may be good things to do, OUR state does NOT require any of them. This also does NOT include the case where you have a loaded or unloaded pistol in your glove compartment or console, whether locked or unlocked. ALL SC citizens who can legally own a pistol may carry in their car as described WITHOUT any permit whatsoever.
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WHAT: SECTION 23-31-215. SECTION (K)
QUOTE: (K) A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder.
Suit yourself. I was here before way you.
I live in Indiana where OC is allowed, however Ive only ever seen one person practicing it outside of a gun store. The reason I only carry concealed is I live right next to a college campus (pretty much on the campus) Although it is a relatively conservative school I am not going to take the chance of walking into Panera with my g23 visible to the masses of sorority girls and liberal professors who are completely ignorant of the law. I think the most likely thing that will happen is someone will scream "HE'S GOT A GUN!!!" and everyone will run out of the place and 15 minutes later Ill be on my stomach with 4 officers around me guns drawn screaming orders at me. I am just not willing to take that chance until I live in a more "gun-friendly" neighborhood.
I agree with open carry, BUT in this town (Fallon, Nevada). I was told by the manager of the Wal-Mart store, CC would be tolerated, but, Open Carry will not be allowed in HIS STORE. I have asked the local law enforcement dept. both city and county. I was told Nevada is a OPEN CARRY state. But was it worth the hassel that you will experience if " SOMEONE SEES YOU ? they must ( law enforcement ) responde to all calls " person with a gun ". I still think that OC is the way to go. Like they say "Hyenas avoid the Lion.
A quick call to Walmart Corporate will put your local walmart manager on the correct path. Walmart corporate policy is to allow what is legal in the state the store operates in.
One problem is simply believing what you're told instead of researching and educating yourself.
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