The only real reason anyone carries concealed.

[Robgmn]

I cheer when my team scores and boo when the opposing team scores. I'm sorry you think that's hypocrisy.

Your attempt at analogy is an utter failure.

Trampling someone else's rights while believing yours should NOT be trampled is a far cry from people cheering for opposing teams.
You are a hypocrite, and have admitted it publicly.
If you ever whine in a post that any of your your rights are being trampled, taken away, or otherwise affected or potentially affected, you will only strengthen the known fact that you are a hypocrite.

Well played.

 

[Blueshell]

Your attempt at analogy is an utter failure.

Trampling someone else's rights while believing yours should NOT be trampled is a far cry from people cheering for opposing teams.
You are a hypocrite, and have admitted it publicly.
If you ever whine in a post that any of your your rights are being trampled, taken away, or otherwise affected or potentially affected, you will only strengthen the known fact that you are a hypocrite.

Well played.

This forum is the private property of the Admin. The Admin has posted a rule against making personal attacks. You have made a post in violation of Admin's posting. You are trespassing on this forum.

You ignore rules when you want to, just like I and the rest of humanity do. It's normal.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post {quote]Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
Been there, tossed out. I came back a couple days later sporting an empty OWB holster on my hip. When he asked, I lied and said I left it in the car, showing him the empty OWB holster. He didn't see the snubie at my ankle. I bought what I was there originally for and the world kept on turning.

Bold added by me for emphasis...
Translation:

-Hooray for MY!!! rights and to hell with yours.-

And the real reason you ... sneak.. your gun in is you know you will be thrown out, maybe suffer legal penalties, for trespassing. But I already know that this whole thing for you isn't about anything noble like rights or anything practical like self protection and has nothing to do with personal integrity but is all about satisfying your ego by getting over on the property owner. See the quote below.


Bold added by me for emphasis....

So you came back after being thrown out for .. sneaking.. in a gun and then, while intentionally "sporting" an empty holster so you could mislead the property owner, you lied to the property owner because you were yet again... sneaking... in a gun on your ankle and you are telling us all how you got away with it right under the property owner's nose? Now try to tell me that was about any kind of rights or even self protection and not all about puffing up your ego by getting over on the property owner.

Well, that's the shop my insurance told me to take my car to. I don't decide their coverage membership, and I don't decide the shop's policies. I'm just going about my day.

And now you are blaming your insurance company for causing you to intentionally violate the rules the private property owner of the shop has as conditions for being given his permission to enter because the insurance company told you to take your car there? The insurance company made you do it? Seriously?

You don't decide the shop's policies but you do decide whether or not you will disrespect the property owner's private property rights and violate his rules by... sneaking ... your gun into/into property where the property owner has a no guns rule.

And while you don't decide the shop's policies you do decide if you will lie so you can get over on the owner.

And I have heard anti gunners say they want to get rid of guns so they can ..... go about their day. The only difference between you and an anti gunner is you want to be armed and the anti gunner wants to feel safe but you both want other people to give up their rights for your convenience.

 

[Blueshell]

And now you are blaming your insurance company for causing you to intentionally violate the rules the private property owner of the shop has as conditions for being given his permission to enter because the insurance company told you to take your car there?

Nope.

Folks always say "just go somewhere else". Going somewhere else isn't always an option, and that's why I offered that the insurance told me to go there.

I thought we had already covered this. If we're talking about gas stations, yeah, I'll just patron a different gas station. There are several. But if we're talking about the only laundromat within 50 miles, well there we have a problem. If I had my pick of shops, yeah I'd probably just go to another shop. But this one is the one my insurance told me to use, so there we have a problem.

You don't decide the shop's policies but you do decide whether or not you will disrespect the property owner's private property rights and violate his rules by... sneaking ... your gun into/into property where the property owner has a no guns rule.

Yes, and in order to it I carried concealed. To keep from being disarmed is the only valid reason to carry concealed. Have I not said this from page one?

And while you don't decide the shop's policies you do decide if you will lie so you can get over on the owner.

I choose to trespass. I'm pretty sure I've said that already. I know the owner's rule and I choose to brake it.

And I have heard anti gunners say they want to get rid of guns so they can ..... go about their day. The only difference between you and an anti gunner is you want to be armed and the anti gunner wants to feel safe but you both want other people to give up their rights for your convenience.

I'm not trying to tell others what to do. Anti-gunners are. Property owners are. But not me. I don't try to control others. I'm just a normal guy living my life.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And now you are blaming your insurance company for causing you to intentionally violate the rules the private property owner of the shop has as conditions for being given his permission to enter because the insurance company told you to take your car there?

Nope.

Folks always say "just go somewhere else". Going somewhere else isn't always an option, and that's why I offered that the insurance told me to go there.

I thought we had already covered this. If we're talking about gas stations, yeah, I'll just patron a different gas station. There are several. But if we're talking about the only laundromat within 50 miles, well there we have a problem. If I had my pick of shops, yeah I'd probably just go to another shop. But this one is the one my insurance told me to use, so there we have a problem.

What you are saying is that you will selfishly ignore and disrespect the property rights of someone for no other reason than it is convenient for you using the excuse that it is the insurance company's fault. Got it.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
You don't decide the shop's policies but you do decide whether or not you will disrespect the property owner's private property rights and violate his rules by... sneaking ... your gun into/into property where the property owner has a no guns rule.

Yes, and in order to it I carried concealed. To keep from being disarmed is the only valid reason to carry concealed. Have I not said this from page one?

And haven't I said that you are putting your right to bear arms (not be disarmed) above the property owner's right to not allow you into/onto his property as long as you are armed? And you even admit that you know this because you feel the need to... sneak...your gun in knowing full well there will be consequences/penalties if you get caught. It is that attitude that shows a lack of integrity.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And while you don't decide the shop's policies you do decide if you will lie so you can get over on the owner.

I choose to trespass. I'm pretty sure I've said that already. I know the owner's rule and I choose to brake it.

More evidence of a lack of integrity.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And I have heard anti gunners say they want to get rid of guns so they can ..... go about their day. The only difference between you and an anti gunner is you want to be armed and the anti gunner wants to feel safe but you both want other people to give up their rights for your convenience.

I'm not trying to tell others what to do. Anti-gunners are. Property owners are. But not me. I don't try to control others. I'm just a normal guy living my life.

You can spin it any way you wish but it still comes down to by ... sneaking... your gun in you are telling the property owner that you have more of a right to control who uses their property than they do.

It is you who is telling the property owner what to do. And the thing is you don't have the courage to tell the property owner to his face so you ...sneak.. your gun in so you won't get caught. What is really disgusting is you not only got caught but you lied to the property owner while sneaking your gun in after being thrown out just so you can pat yourself on the back for getting over as evidenced by your own words quoted below:

Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
Been there, tossed out. I came back a couple days later sporting an empty OWB holster on my hip. When he asked, I lied and said I left it in the car, showing him the empty OWB holster. He didn't see the snubie at my ankle. I bought what I was there originally for and the world kept on turning.

Bold added by me for emphasis...

I suspect you were just all a giggle while talking with him knowing you were getting over and the property owner just didn't have a clue.

 

[Blueshell]

And haven't I said that you are putting your right to bear arms (not be disarmed) above the property owner's right to not allow you into/onto his property as long as you are armed? And you even admit that you know this because you feel the need to... sneak...your gun in knowing full well there will be consequences/penalties if you get caught. It is that attitude that shows a lack of integrity.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[Blueshell]

You can spin it any way you wish but it still comes down to by ... sneaking... your gun in you are telling them that you have more of a right to control who and how their property is used than they do.

I think the state owns that monopoly, what with zoning and OSHA and Civil Rights Act and all. I don't think anything I do holds a candle to that.

I'm only controlling myself. I make no demands of others.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
You can spin it any way you wish but it still comes down to by ... sneaking... your gun in you are telling them that you have more of a right to control who and how their property is used than they do.

I'm only controlling myself. I make no demands of others.

More spin. You are demanding to be the one who decides who has permission to be on/in the property by giving yourself permission against the property owner's wishes.

But then I am wasting my time trying to explain all this to someone who is an expert at justifying his actions through the most convoluted pseudo logic I have ever seen outside an anti gun rally.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And haven't I said that you are putting your right to bear arms (not be disarmed) above the property owner's right to not allow you into/onto his property as long as you are armed? And you even admit that you know this because you feel the need to... sneak...your gun in knowing full well there will be consequences/penalties if you get caught. It is that attitude that shows a lack of integrity.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

I'm sorry your actions, and your willingness to tout those actions as valid, give anti gunners an example of a gun carrier's lack of integrity they can use to further their agenda.

 

[Blueshell]

You are demanding ....

I make no demands of others.

 

[Robgmn]

This forum is the private property of the Admin. The Admin has posted a rule against making personal attacks. You have made a post in violation of Admin's posting. You are trespassing on this forum.

You ignore rules when you want to, just like I and the rest of humanity do. It's normal.

Stating a fact about someone is not a personal attack.
Merriam Webster defines hypocrisy as:
Simple Definition of hypocrisy: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel
Claiming your personal desires and beliefs trump other's rights while also stating your rights should not be trampled falls under the definition nicely.

Calling me illiterate in one of your posts, however, IS a personal attack as I am most certainly not illiterate. Your use of the word is strictly an insult not based in fact.

Care to continue trying to divert, obfuscate, apply spin, and divert attention away from your own statements?

 

[Blueshell]

Stating a fact about someone is not a personal attack.
Merriam Webster defines hypocrisy as:
Simple Definition of hypocrisy: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel
Claiming your personal desires and beliefs trump other's rights while also stating your rights should not be trampled falls under the definition nicely.

Calling me illiterate in one of your posts, however, IS a personal attack as I am most certainly not illiterate. Your use of the word is strictly an insult not based in fact.

Care to continue trying to divert, obfuscate, apply spin, and divert attention away from your own statements?

I don't tell people to respect no-gun signs while I ignore them, so there's no hypocrisy.

 

[Robgmn]

I don't tell people to respect no-gun signs while I ignore them, so there's no hypocrisy.

No, you demand that others respect your RTKABA while you openly violate their right to Private Property.
The very definition of hypocrisy.

Keep trying to spin.
You're only corkscrewing deeper into the hole you've dug for yourself.

 

[Blueshell]

No, you demand...

I make no demands of others.

 

[Robgmn]

I make no demands of others.

Except by carrying guns onto their property when they would wish otherwise...

Residences are not open to the public, but if you would like to go that rout...I was invited to a 4th of July BBQ, I carried my gun as I always do. Over the course of the evening I discovered that the lady of the house doesn't care for guns and her husband had to keep his rifles out in the garage. So there I am in her living room with a concealed pistol and keeping my mouth shut about it. Even if I knew her wishes in advance, I still would have carried, and if discovered I would have left peacefully.

A business owner can make whatever policy they like. I won't tell them not to. Post any sign you wish, make any rule. It's your property, do whatever you want. I'm not going to make a fuss over a policy of yours I don't like. I'll just ignore it.

I generally advise business owners to follow my example and just ignore things they don't like.

 

[Blueshell]

Except by carrying guns onto their property when they would wish otherwise...

A demand is an affirmative statement verbally or in writing. I issue no such statements. To carry against someone's wish is not a demand for them to change that wish.

Even if you choose to see it as a demand, it's no more of a demand than someone taking their business elsewhere, or joining a boycott.

 

[Robgmn]

A demand is an affirmative statement verbally or in writing. I issue no such statements. To carry against someone's wish is not a demand for them to change that wish.

Even if you choose to see it as a demand, it's no more of a demand than someone taking their business elsewhere, or joining a boycott.

verb
verb: demand; 3rd person present: demands; past tense: demanded; past participle: demanded; gerund or present participle: demanding
ask authoritatively or brusquely.
"“Where is she?” he demanded"
synonyms: order, command, enjoin, urge;

insist on having.
"an outraged public demanded retribution"
synonyms: call for, ask for, request, push for, hold out for; More
require; need.
"a complex activity demanding detailed knowledge"
synonyms: require, need, necessitate, call for, involve, entail
"an activity demanding detailed knowledge"

You insist on having your gun on your person, even if the private property owner wishes otherwise. You are thereby demanding that they allow you to carry, even if you don't directly express your desire to them or announce your actions to them.
You're violating their rights, even if they don't know it, just as you are breaking the law by doing 100MPH on the highway even if you don't get caught.

A lot of justification for your actions.