The EMP Threat


Okay, so then you trust dairy farmers more than scientists and engineers for technological issues?
That's not what I said. I'm simply pointing out "scientists and engineers" haven't always been right. Sheet, look at Global Warming, Climate Change or what ever the Left now describes their propaganda.
As for a plausible EMP attack, look a all the aircraft stolen, disappeared, missing in the last 10 years. A small Nuke inbound by multiple aircraft at the same time over a multitude of areas could and will disable our electronic/electric grids. O course if that happened you could not contact your " scientists and engineers" to state they were wrong. You'd be too busy trying to survive. As will most of us.
There is ample evidence that people/groups want to do us grave harm. YES, grave harm is meant as a pun. BUT make no mistake about it. Without due diligence by our country we could be blow back to the stone ages in a vary short time. The above post of 90% is probably close to being correct.
GOT MILK, or you just gonna suck off the Libs teat?
 

Right, okay... but with thousands upon thousands of actual engineers, actual scientists, professionals who actually have the education, training, and experience to actually do something about any of those sort of things... are you going to rely on the above dairy farmer to fix things? The internet is great but... holy moley does it make people think they are suddenly experts. I bet Wikipedia already solved all these issues anyway.

Also, I see that your wandering away from OPs actual topic. The EMP threat. Who can really pull that off? I mean, come on.

I didn't invoke the power of a dairy farmer, though I know a couple, really pretty down to earth guys with a lot of common sense.

Who could pull off a technology crippling EMP tomorrow? The sun for one. Then there's Russia, China, both clearly have the technology.
 
That's not what I said. I'm simply pointing out "scientists and engineers" haven't always been right. Sheet, look at Global Warming, Climate Change or what ever the Left now describes their propaganda.
As for a plausible EMP attack, look a all the aircraft stolen, disappeared, missing in the last 10 years. A small Nuke inbound by multiple aircraft at the same time over a multitude of areas could and will disable our electronic/electric grids. O course if that happened you could not contact your " scientists and engineers" to state they were wrong. You'd be too busy trying to survive. As will most of us.
There is ample evidence that people/groups want to do us grave harm. YES, grave harm is meant as a pun. BUT make no mistake about it. Without due diligence by our country we could be blow back to the stone ages in a vary short time. The above post of 90% is probably close to being correct.
GOT MILK, or you just gonna suck off the Libs teat?

Sure... but them not being "always" right doesn't change that they are far more qualified and that they are far more likely to be right than random internet conspiracy theory types that have nothing but a website and hype. You're also talking about nuclear weaps as if it were no big deal to store them, move them, and deploy them... not to mention, "a small nuke" like they are being made in suitcases. Even if these existed... it still fails a logic test. Why airburst a nuke to cause an EMP instead of simply attacking with the nuke? What does someone who's willing to go nuke against the US gain by gimping their attack?
 
I didn't invoke the power of a dairy farmer, though I know a couple, really pretty down to earth guys with a lot of common sense.

Who could pull off a technology crippling EMP tomorrow? The sun for one. Then there's Russia, China, both clearly have the technology.

Ok... so 16+ T in the hole and you want to start working on protecting us from a EMP from the sun? Is that something that's likely enough for us to prioritize funding it? Why would China or Russia attack us with an EMP, as opposed to a nuclear strike? Do you think that them limiting to that would convince us to be gentle in our response?
 
Sure... but them not being "always" right doesn't change that they are far more qualified and that they are far more likely to be right than random internet conspiracy theory types that have nothing but a website and hype. You're also talking about nuclear weaps as if it were no big deal to store them, move them, and deploy them... not to mention, "a small nuke" like they are being made in suitcases. Even if these existed... it still fails a logic test. Why airburst a nuke to cause an EMP instead of simply attacking with the nuke? What does someone who's willing to go nuke against the US gain by gimping their attack?
You must have a short memory concerning the twin towers and the total closure of the financial district. As for a air burst verses a ground burst. You'll wipe out more in the long run by knocking out ALL the infrastructure that supports life in an area by causing an air burst.
You really need to educate yourself about nukes and their various configurations.
 
Just food for thought...


A Perfect Solar Superstorm: The 1859 Carrington Event

The Carrington Event
On the morning of September 1, 1859, amateur astronomer Richard Carrington ascended into the private observatory attached to his country estate outside of London. After cranking open the dome’s shutter to reveal the clear blue sky, he pointed his brass telescope toward the sun and began to sketch a cluster of enormous dark spots that freckled its surface. Suddenly, Carrington spotted what he described as “two patches of intensely bright and white light” erupting from the sunspots. Five minutes later the fireballs vanished, but within hours their impact would be felt across the globe.

That night, telegraph communications around the world began to fail; there were reports of sparks showering from telegraph machines, shocking operators and setting papers ablaze. All over the planet, colorful auroras illuminated the nighttime skies, glowing so brightly that birds began to chirp and laborers started their daily chores, believing the sun had begun rising. Some thought the end of the world was at hand, but Carrington’s naked eyes had spotted the true cause for the bizarre happenings: a massive solar flare with the energy of 10 billion atomic bombs. The flare spewed electrified gas and subatomic particles toward Earth, and the resulting geomagnetic storm—dubbed the “Carrington Event”—was the largest on record to have struck the planet.

Bright Flare, Dark Lines
Compared to today’s information superhighway, the telegraph system in 1859 may have been a mere dirt road, but the “Victorian Internet” was also a critical means of transmitting news, sending private messages and engaging in commerce. Telegraph operators in the United States had observed local interruptions due to thunderstorms and northern lights before, but they never experienced a global disturbance like the one-two punch they received in the waning days of summer in 1859.

Many telegraph lines across North America were rendered inoperable on the night of August 28 as the first of two successive solar storms struck. E.W. Culgan, a telegraph manager in Pittsburgh, reported that the resulting currents flowing through the wires were so powerful that platinum contacts were in danger of melting and “streams of fire” were pouring forth from the circuits. In Washington, D.C., telegraph operator Frederick W. Royce was severely shocked as his forehead grazed a ground wire. According to a witness, an arc of fire jumped from Royce’s head to the telegraphic equipment. Some telegraph stations that used chemicals to mark sheets reported that powerful surges caused telegraph paper to combust.

On the morning of September 2, the magnetic mayhem resulting from the second storm created even more chaos for telegraph operators. When American Telegraph Company employees arrived at their Boston office at 8 a.m., they discovered it was impossible to transmit or receive dispatches. The atmosphere was so charged, however, that operators made an incredible discovery: They could unplug their batteries and still transmit messages to Portland, Maine, at 30- to 90-second intervals using only the auroral current. Messages still couldn’t be sent as seamlessly as under normal conditions, but it was a useful workaround. By 10 a.m. the magnetic disturbance abated enough that stations reconnected their batteries, but transmissions were still affected for the rest of the morning.

Sky on Fire
When telegraphs did come back on line, many were filled with vivid accounts of the celestial light show that had been witnessed the night before. Newspapers from France to Australia featured glowing descriptions of brilliant auroras that had turned night into day. One eyewitness account from a woman on Sullivan’s Island in South Carolina ran in the Charleston Mercury: “The eastern sky appeared of a blood red color. It seemed brightest exactly in the east, as though the full moon, or rather the sun, were about to rise. It extended almost to the zenith. The whole island was illuminated. The sea reflected the phenomenon, and no one could look at it without thinking of the passage in the Bible which says, ‘the sea was turned to blood.’ The shells on the beach, reflecting light, resembled coals of fire.”

The sky was so crimson that many who saw it believed that neighboring locales were on fire. Americans in the South were particularly startled by the northern lights, which migrated so close to the equator that they were seen in Cuba and Jamaica. Elsewhere, however, there appeared to be genuine confusion. In Abbeville, South Carolina, masons awoke and began to lay bricks at their job site until they realized the hour and returned to bed. In Bealeton, Virginia, larks were stirred from their sleep at 1 a.m. and began to warble. (Unfortunately for them, a conductor on the Orange & Alexandria Railroad was also awake and shot three of them dead.) In cities across America, people stood in the streets and gazed up at the heavenly pyrotechnics. In Boston, some even caught up on their reading, taking advantage of the celestial fire to peruse the local newspapers.

Ice core samples have determined that the Carrington Event was twice as big as any other solar storm in the last 500 years. What would be the impact of a similar storm today? According to a 2008 report from the National Academy of Sciences, it could cause “extensive social and economic disruptions” due to its impact on power grids, satellite communications and GPS systems. The potential price tag? Between $1 trillion and $2 trillion.
 
Of note is the telegraph systems of that era used very primitive and robust solenoids and sounding bars to send and receive morse. No sensitive electronic integrated circuits to fry. When a solar event induces currents in telegraph lines so powerful as to exceed the voltage of the sending/receiving units back then, it was a major, crippling solar storm with tremendous ejecta.

If one of that magnitude happened today, the results would be catastrophic.

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How many nukes would it take to knock out enough electricity in a nation of this size to make a difference?

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How many nukes would it take to knock out enough electricity in a nation of this size to make a difference?

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I say again; "You really need to educate yourself about nukes and their various configurations." Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee.
 
I say again; "You really need to educate yourself about nukes and their various configurations." Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee.

Can't answer a simple question?

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I'm not here to frigging educate you on OFF-TOPIC topics. Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee. Go find someone else's leg to hump.

Ok. So you are unable to answer. I already knew you couldn't. Funny to see you getting all worked up too. Its a chat forum.... No reason to lose your cool duder.

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How come New Mexico didn't lose power in 1945?

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Because it wasn't detonated at 25 miles in altitude.

Because our power grid was not computer controlled.

Because our power grid was not as susceptible to cascade failure.

Because semi-conductors didn't exist.
 
Ok. So you are unable to answer. I already knew you couldn't. Funny to see you getting all worked up too. Its a chat forum.... No reason to lose your cool duder.

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So I guess you'll not be paying me a fee OR educating yourself on your own. A chat forum is for chat. You want education you'll have to invest.
 
So I guess you'll not be paying me a fee OR educating yourself on your own. A chat forum is for chat. You want education you'll have to invest.

If I were going to pay for education, I could find someone more qualified, Mappow. ;) Anyways... most of the people in this thread are not likely interested in education. They would rather just hear things that sound shocking and ideally something they can blame libs for... accuracy not really needed.
 
I really don't know why you seem to have a burr under your saddle, but.......
"It is also worth noting that a nuclear weapon detonated 180 miles above the United States would generate an EMP pulse that experts say would instantly plunge half the country into the technological 1800s."

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I really don't know why you seem to have a burr under your saddle, but.......
"It is also worth noting that a nuclear weapon detonated 180 miles above the United States would generate an EMP pulse that experts say would instantly plunge half the country into the technological 1800s."

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Ok so who can and would pull it off? Don't tell me hackers.

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