The designer round: .40S&W

[dad45acp]

Sooooo let me get this straight...you consider .40 S&W a "designer round" because it's a modified 10mm? That's a pretty weak argument. You posted on your website, in response to viewers, about why you don't feature .40 guns on your show.

Consider this: The 9x19mm Parabellum was developed from the 7.65×21mm Parabellum, which was derived from the 7.65×25mm Borchardt (C-93 pistol.) Your argument is basically that the FBI had a good round in the 9x19, and that shortening the 10mm (10x25mm) by 3mm to 10x22mm, creating the .40 S&W was unnecessary. Well, considering that the 9mm was created by shortening the original round by 6mm, I'd say that only having to shorten the 10mm auto by half that (and likewise, reduce the poweder charge a bit as the full load is pretty unmanageable and would be more so in a smaller handgun), thus creating a powerful package with more energy and penetration than the 9mm of the day was a good choice when clearly, as you reported, Platt was able to continue his murder spree because the 9mm cartridge used by the agents was so ineffective that it stopped an inch short from his heart.

Your post on this site and article on your website is purely opinion. I don't see why you posted it here. Is there a reason, or are you just trying to start a caliber war?

A: Its not MY site.

B: Its a designer round based purely on the history and facts. Some people get butthurt by that...

C: I'm not starting any war here. Actually people have given their opinion on this matter and its been fun to look at ballistic charts etc.

 

[KSDeputy]

When the sheriff office I worked for went from S & W .357 revolvers to the new S & W .45acp semi-auto pistol I was delighted. I have carried a S & W .45acp ever since. After I had been retired a few years the office changed to the .40s&w Glock pistol. I admit, I am old fashioned. I like the .45acp and will always like it. The attempts to make other calibers that try and emulate it, like the .40s&w, and the .45gap make me think it if ain't broke why fix it. I carry either a S&W Chief's Special, or Tactical Series in .45acp. Both are light with alloy frames, and easily concealed. I was carrying Speer 230 gr ammo for short barrels. I recently changed to Federal 165 gr Hydrashok. I like firearms made in America, so I try and buy only those. I think people should carry what gun they like, and the caliber they like as long as they are safe.

 

[tricolordad]

A: Its not MY site.

B: Its a designer round based purely on the history and facts. Some people get butthurt by that...

C: I'm not starting any war here. Actually people have given their opinion on this matter and its been fun to look at ballistic charts etc.

9mm Luger is also a designer round based purely on the history and facts. Every round is a designer round. Get over it.

 

[The_Outlaw]

If the .40 S&W round is merely a "designer" round as the op claims, then I guess my Glock 27 is not only a very effective self defense sidearm but it's also very 'stylish' as well! :yes2:

 

[Treo]

If the .40 S&W round is merely a "designer" round as the op claims, then I guess my Glock 27 is not only a very effective self defense sidearm but it's also very 'stylish' as well! :yes2:

It would be more stylish if you bedazzeled it

 

[apvbguy]

It would be more stylish if you bedazzeled it

pimp my pistol??

 

[gejoslin]

pimp my pistol??

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Just think about it...Pull gun,..Bad Guy blinded by reflected light :fie:. Apply bullets in complete leisure and safety.:sarcastic:

 

[dad45acp]

9mm Luger is also a designer round based purely on the history and facts. Every round is a designer round. Get over it.

Dude, I'm waaay over it...you're the one stirring up the poo and seem quite upset about it. Its a designer round regardless whether you understand why. It still kills and produces decent ballistic reports. Super duper. I wouldn't go into the woods and shoot sasquatch weiners with it that's all.

 

[tricolordad]

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Just think about it...Pull gun,..Bad Guy blinded by reflected light :fie:. Apply bullets in complete leisure and safety.:sarcastic:

While watching a DVD?

 

[tricolordad]

Dude, I'm waaay over it...you're the one stirring up the poo and seem quite upset about it. Its a designer round regardless whether you understand why. It still kills and produces decent ballistic reports. Super duper. I wouldn't go into the woods and shoot sasquatch weiners with it that's all.

I just asked why you posted. Your argument can be used on any modern round.

 

[dad45acp]

I just asked why you posted. Your argument can be used on any modern round.

Whats your definition of a "modern round"? This round was created to fill a supposed gap in ballistics that ultimately does no better than the "modern rounds" out there. Theres a lot of opinions on this round and a lot of criticism.

 

[gejoslin]

The .40 S&W (10×22mm Smith & Wesson) is a rimless pistol cartridge developed jointly by major American firearms manufacturers Smith & Wesson andWinchester.[SUP][3][/SUP] The .40 S&W was developed from the ground up as a law enforcement cartridge designed to duplicate performance of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's reduced-velocity 10mm Auto cartridge which could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) automatic handguns. It uses .40 inch (10.16mm) diameter bullets ranging in weight from 105 to 200 grains
History[edit]

In the aftermath of the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, the FBI started the process of testing 9mm and .45 ACP ammunition in preparation to replace its standard issue revolver with a semi-automatic pistol. The semi-automatic pistol offered two advantages over the revolver: 1) it offered increased ammunition capacity, and 2) it was easier to reload during a firefight. The FBI was satisfied with the performance of its .38 Special +P 158 gr (10.2 g) L.S.W.C.H.P. (lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint) cartridge ("FBI Load") based on decades of dependable performance. Ammunition for the new semi-automatic pistol had to deliver terminal performance equal or superior to the .38 Special FBI Load. The FBI developed a series of practically oriented tests involving eight test events that reasonably represented the kinds of situations that FBI agents commonly encounter in shooting incidents.
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[tricolordad]

The .40 S&W (10×22mm Smith & Wesson) is a rimless pistol cartridge developed jointly by major American firearms manufacturers Smith & Wesson andWinchester.[SUP][3][/SUP] The .40 S&W was developed from the ground up as a law enforcement cartridge designed to duplicate performance of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's reduced-velocity 10mm Auto cartridge which could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) automatic handguns. It uses .40 inch (10.16mm) diameter bullets ranging in weight from 105 to 200 grains
History[edit]

In the aftermath of the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, the FBI started the process of testing 9mm and .45 ACP ammunition in preparation to replace its standard issue revolver with a semi-automatic pistol. The semi-automatic pistol offered two advantages over the revolver: 1) it offered increased ammunition capacity, and 2) it was easier to reload during a firefight. The FBI was satisfied with the performance of its .38 Special +P 158 gr (10.2 g) L.S.W.C.H.P. (lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint) cartridge ("FBI Load") based on decades of dependable performance. Ammunition for the new semi-automatic pistol had to deliver terminal performance equal or superior to the .38 Special FBI Load. The FBI developed a series of practically oriented tests involving eight test events that reasonably represented the kinds of situations that FBI agents commonly encounter in shooting incidents.
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Thanks lol i was too busy cleaning up my backyard to respond.

As for the second part, a modern round is any new ammo. Advances in quality control, ballistics, gunpowder and computer technology have made the ammunition much more reliable than it was even 10 years ago.