I've been a LEO, and now a CCW holder. Normally don't carry but with the beheading attacks going on around the world and our southern border control problems. Plus our governments recent announcements of potential lone wolf attacks. Today I am back to carrying everyday. I would hate to be out and about and have some terrorist try and attack me or mine. What say you?
Terrorism and need for concealed carry
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Capt. Frank
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Many police depts require their officers to carry off duty, I'm suprised your's does not.
Rethink
The only terrorism I see going on here is that being conducted by state legislatures (e.g. the California, New York, NJ Legislatures) and Congress, and probably our President as well.
Which is to say that our rights are being attacked almost daily by the above-mentioned groups or persons and it is getting more difficult to get more persons to do anything about it.
Yes, we _all_ need to get CCW for carry in your daily and routine life but not because of "terrorism." Rather, it's because of what could happen around you daily, because it's your right to do so (and because studies show that states that apply less restrictions to carry have less problems with violent acts being committed against the populace), and for other reasons. Not because "terrorism." Now to the meat of this comment:
Do we know for sure that this Levant / ISIS / ISIL / EIIL / (Arabic: al dawla al islamiyye f’il iraq w’al sham, or just 'sham,' which is probably totally appropriate) even exists (as it has been presented to the public at large)? Obviously a group exists which has made headway in different areas which seeks an Islamic state, look around and there is no question that there is clear evidence of that, and I'm not talking about the news, which is mostly a propaganda effort these days. However, there are many cogent arguments which suggest that some of the videos that have been circulated and used to heighten and propagandize public awareness around supposedly what this group is, were created as part of of a special campaign run jointly by the CIA, the House of Saud, and as may be the case, elements within Syrian regions. This suggests that what we are seeing of it (if viewed from what is seen in the mainstream media) is essentially and largely a fictional entity which is being manifested and used for propaganda purposes, for the interests of those who have much to gain from heightened conflict in the region in those countries at this time. Primarily that means that the US government (current administration), its "coalition partners" (sound familiar?), and various corporation-states with interests in that region at this time just see your children as so much disposable hamburger meat and want to ensure that their monetary interests (e.g., "their" oil under someone else's sand) is not disrupted by the affairs in the Middle East and North Africa and that military expenditures continue to increase. Of course, that is not the only objective here.
Indirectly, the withering blitz of patriotic fervor that inevitably is associated with such efforts may be silently used to propel to power the next phase of the horrifying dynasty which we have seen constantly engage in rights-robbery. People are less likely to question incumbents or potential authority figures (especially when they have already worked within the power structure) when a nation has leapt head-first into war. We have seen this with George W. Bush when he launched the so-called War on Terror and with Barack Obama who has bombed seven countries over six years, while creating "justifications" through memoranda (which people have attempted to challenge in the courts) which he claims allows him to kill US citizens without charges or due process here or abroad. (Apparently, bomb control is not yet a thing.) So... who (as a previous officer of the State department, and gun control advocate) will be using war (and your patriotic fervor) to become part of this horrifying dynasty and get propelled into the Presidency?
If you already figured it out, good for you: Clinton 2016.
(Note that if you were not reading this carefully, I am just pointing out the obvious, _not_ advocating for Clinton.)
People, we need to stop humping the war beast and realize it is just being used to push more people of the two-party dead bird into power.
RETHINK.
A little background on me, in case you hadn't already figured it out, I am rather skeptical of government generally, but I believe we should all exercise the rights that people have struggled and fought (and died) for. Former member of Families of Sept. 11, Member of Voices of Sept. 11th, Current Educational Committee Member of Bitcoin Foundation, Member of Various Advisory Boards of Lifeboat Foundation, gun owner, and "maker" (80 percenter person). Other things. Still here.
The only terrorism I see going on here is that being conducted by state legislatures (e.g. the California, New York, NJ Legislatures) and Congress, and probably our President as well.
Which is to say that our rights are being attacked almost daily by the above-mentioned groups or persons and it is getting more difficult to get more persons to do anything about it.
Yes, we _all_ need to get CCW for carry in your daily and routine life but not because of "terrorism." Rather, it's because of what could happen around you daily, because it's your right to do so (and because studies show that states that apply less restrictions to carry have less problems with violent acts being committed against the populace), and for other reasons. Not because "terrorism." Now to the meat of this comment:
Do we know for sure that this Levant / ISIS / ISIL / EIIL / (Arabic: al dawla al islamiyye f’il iraq w’al sham, or just 'sham,' which is probably totally appropriate) even exists (as it has been presented to the public at large)? Obviously a group exists which has made headway in different areas which seeks an Islamic state, look around and there is no question that there is clear evidence of that, and I'm not talking about the news, which is mostly a propaganda effort these days. However, there are many cogent arguments which suggest that some of the videos that have been circulated and used to heighten and propagandize public awareness around supposedly what this group is, were created as part of of a special campaign run jointly by the CIA, the House of Saud, and as may be the case, elements within Syrian regions. This suggests that what we are seeing of it (if viewed from what is seen in the mainstream media) is essentially and largely a fictional entity which is being manifested and used for propaganda purposes, for the interests of those who have much to gain from heightened conflict in the region in those countries at this time. Primarily that means that the US government (current administration), its "coalition partners" (sound familiar?), and various corporation-states with interests in that region at this time just see your children as so much disposable hamburger meat and want to ensure that their monetary interests (e.g., "their" oil under someone else's sand) is not disrupted by the affairs in the Middle East and North Africa and that military expenditures continue to increase. Of course, that is not the only objective here.
Indirectly, the withering blitz of patriotic fervor that inevitably is associated with such efforts may be silently used to propel to power the next phase of the horrifying dynasty which we have seen constantly engage in rights-robbery. People are less likely to question incumbents or potential authority figures (especially when they have already worked within the power structure) when a nation has leapt head-first into war. We have seen this with George W. Bush when he launched the so-called War on Terror and with Barack Obama who has bombed seven countries over six years, while creating "justifications" through memoranda (which people have attempted to challenge in the courts) which he claims allows him to kill US citizens without charges or due process here or abroad. (Apparently, bomb control is not yet a thing.) So... who (as a previous officer of the State department, and gun control advocate) will be using war (and your patriotic fervor) to become part of this horrifying dynasty and get propelled into the Presidency?
If you already figured it out, good for you: Clinton 2016.
(Note that if you were not reading this carefully, I am just pointing out the obvious, _not_ advocating for Clinton.)
People, we need to stop humping the war beast and realize it is just being used to push more people of the two-party dead bird into power.
RETHINK.
A little background on me, in case you hadn't already figured it out, I am rather skeptical of government generally, but I believe we should all exercise the rights that people have struggled and fought (and died) for. Former member of Families of Sept. 11, Member of Voices of Sept. 11th, Current Educational Committee Member of Bitcoin Foundation, Member of Various Advisory Boards of Lifeboat Foundation, gun owner, and "maker" (80 percenter person). Other things. Still here.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
We are 10x more likely to be hurt by our police or an alphabet agency, than we are of a terrorists organization from another country...
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exactly
exactly - and here's some data to back up / prove what you just said....
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I think the figure is actually "nine times" more likely, but you were on the mark there.
exactly - and here's some data to back up / prove what you just said....
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I think the figure is actually "nine times" more likely, but you were on the mark there.
dogshawred
New member
First and foremost, I am glad you are carrying, period.
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It saddens me to know that someone had to be beheaded for you to start carrying again, those beheadings occurred in another country 1000's of miles away.
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"Terrorism and need for concealed carry" is that your way of dismissing open carry as ineffective form of carry? I open carry every time I leave the house, my 1911 is like my American Express Card. "don't leave home without it". With the current state of things, I am up grading my EDC to something with a little more fire power. An AR-15 platform pistol with a chest rig for magazines will become my normal carry.
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Where I live rifle magazines can be carried loaded in the same case with the firearm, so that could also be a possibility for the trunk as a back up. I used to be a Boy Scout.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
mappow
New member
True dat but they for the most part have the Law on their side. With exception of the last, he abides by no mans Law only the Koran. And we thought Slick Willy was slick. Sheeeeet, amateur in CHI town politics. Plus add on all the commie, socialist training and upbringing. The perfect storm for the US of A. Or predestined by those that want to overthrow our way of Life.
Stengun
New member
Howdy,
I've been saying the same for years.
For some unknown reason I he basement dwellers disagree.
Paul
I've been saying the same for years.
For some unknown reason I he basement dwellers disagree.
Paul
Exactly what I was thinking. Try being more likely to be hurt by a piss of garbage fellow citizen probably wearing a hoodie. Bottom line--yes--anything is possible, but do you really think being CC is somehow going to protect you from one of these ISIS turds and their bombs and their praise Allah chants? The moslem terrorist in the whitehouse scares me more than these ISIS characters.
I am a self employed land surveyor. I conceal carry a bersa thunder 380, primarily for vicious dogs that might be roaming at large. If I gotta go into the deep woods I carry my 40 cal primarily for black bears that might see me as an easy target/meal. A hiker was just killed by a black bear in NJ a week ago and that was the first in NJ history. Now I carry both in my truck. The 40 is a double stack ruger and I carry 2 mags. I have been thinking of carrying my AK in a case of course. Now that ISIS has declared open war on us, not just the US Military...but us...I don't think you can be too cautious. The islamic freaks are very dangerous and they will kill us given the opportunity. They do mean us harm. They will behead some hapless journalist that wandered into their camp thinking he had some special connection that nobody else did...well the only special connection I need is to a firearm and any others of similar thought. This is the craziest this world has ever been in my 64 years on it. It has been a gradual process to get to where we are but the process is picking up a big head of steam right now. I don't think we are only in danger from a so called "lone wolf"...I fully believe we have terror cells lurking in our shadows. God help us!
what????
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
Go has helped us, He's been warning us about all of what is happening and will soon happen for over 3,000 years and He's even given us a means of ESCAPE. The Scriptures couldn't be more clear (Signs of the End of the Age) and the "SIGNS" are everywhere. One has to be blind, deaf, dumb, just plain IGNORANT or STUPID not to realize that ISRAEL is God's Prophetic Timepiece and DISCERN the SIGNS of great perplexity prophesied for this Last Generation. Everything is going to rapidly wax worse & worse and billions will soon suffer & die just like "The Book" says ...(Matthew 24:21)"For then there will be great suffering unlike anything that has happened from the beginning of the world until now, or ever will happen again". There's only one way of ESCAPE, only a few will find it. Maranatha!
Life Is Good. :victory:
~ Yesterday's Prophecies - Today's Headlines ~
bofh
Banned
I hope you load .40 S&W FMJ and not JHP while in the woods to deal with the 4-legged predators. The extra magazines should have JHP to deal with the 2-legged kind more efficiently in case you need to reload. I carry 10mm hardcast while in the woods, with 2 extra magazines of JHP. I would feel underpowered with .40 S&W against black bears.
In any case, the (imagined or real) terrorism threat level does not influence whether I am carrying. I am simply carrying.
If you think this is a crazy world, think how people felt October 14–28, 1962 during the Cuban missile crisis at the brink of World War III that would have included a nuclear exchange. It was pretty close.
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
I pack everywhere, had a lady ask tell me the other day we have the police to protect us, remember police carry to protect themselves, I then ask her to point out an LEO within 100 feet. Blank stare, she said what? If police are to protect you they need to be available everywhere all the time they are not, my 45 and back up is.
r1derbike
New member
Thumbs-up for the long gun...
r1derbike
New member
Hillary 2016? I can't make the connection. Between Benghazi and her humping sessions with Saul Alinsky (letters of praise and idolatry), among other misdeeds while an attorney in Little Rock, AR, and rumblings of a questionable death in D.C., there's an awful lot of bloody baggage to shed somehow. However, given the ignorance of voters presently, you may be right. It would be a travesty, because she is more radical than her old man and Obama.
As an aside regarding alleged Mena, AR drug running, three of us decided to land there in our sling-wingers for a much needed break, and before our rotors slowed much a drab, dark green skymaster with no "N" numbers landed, screeched to a halt, and did a 180, taking off downwind like a stripe-assed ape. Very strange, and not worthy of any more attention from us besides witnessing the event. The airport was deserted. We had heard of strange goings-on at Mena, (drug running) but to (allegedly) see it was a bit more realistic than just reading about it in some cop's published smear campaign. Hell, it may have been some DH following us, for unknown reasons, but I have to believe there was something sinister about that plane. Reminded me of a Stephen King short horror story, "The Night Flyer".
This happened in the '70s, and that was our first and last foray into Mena airspace.
Subsequent visits were always on motorcycles.
As an aside regarding alleged Mena, AR drug running, three of us decided to land there in our sling-wingers for a much needed break, and before our rotors slowed much a drab, dark green skymaster with no "N" numbers landed, screeched to a halt, and did a 180, taking off downwind like a stripe-assed ape. Very strange, and not worthy of any more attention from us besides witnessing the event. The airport was deserted. We had heard of strange goings-on at Mena, (drug running) but to (allegedly) see it was a bit more realistic than just reading about it in some cop's published smear campaign. Hell, it may have been some DH following us, for unknown reasons, but I have to believe there was something sinister about that plane. Reminded me of a Stephen King short horror story, "The Night Flyer".
This happened in the '70s, and that was our first and last foray into Mena airspace.
Subsequent visits were always on motorcycles.
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