South Will Rise Again

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A few county commissioners met Thursday night for an agenda review in preparation for Tuesday’s Madison County Commission meeting.

Reports were made and commissioners talked over the major issues that are likely to receive the most attention during the next meeting.

Most discussion on Thursday centered on the possible approval of a Madison County Second Amendment Preservation Resolution, the appointment of seven members to the Madison County Audit Committee and the appointment of a veterinarian to the vicious dog hearing panel.

The Second Amendment Preservation Resolution document was drafted in the likeness of similar resolutions passed in other states.

In the document’s first paragraph, it states that it is “a resolution, which shall be known and may be cited as the ‘Second Amendment Preservation Resolution.’ To prevent federal infringement on the right to keep and bear arms; nullifying all federal acts in violation of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.”

Citing the rights given to citizens according to the constitution and “the duty of the Sheriff of each County in Tennessee,” the document continues that the board requests that the Tennessee legislature adopt and enact all measures necessary to “reject and nullify” the enforcement of any federal acts or laws of any kind in violation of the Second Amendment or the state constitution.

Commissioner Jerry Bastin, who co-authored the resolution, said the document was drafted in response to such sentiments throughout the board of commissioners and because it is a current issue that is in full force.

“The Second Amendment of the Constitution upholds the right to bear arms in this country, and this resolution demonstrates that (the) Madison County Board of Commissioners supports the United States Constitution,” he said.

The document also calls upon the state to clarify the sheriff’s duty to defend citizens against infringement of their rights.

Sheriff David Woolfork said Friday that he and other sheriffs across Tennessee took a sworn oath to protect and defend the Second Amendment and that he will continue to do so according to the power granted to him.

“I certainly support the Second Amendment and defend the Constitution of Tennessee,” he said. “I will uphold the oath I have taken five times.”

Woolfork cited the front page of the Tennessee Sheriff’s Association website, which affirms Tennessee sheriffs’ support of the Second Amendment.

Board of Commissioners Speaker Pro-Tempore Bill Ragon said the appointment of seven members to the audit committee and the appointment of a veterinarian to the vicious dog hearing panel by the city and county mayors also will likely get some discussion during the meeting Tuesday but that there will not likely be much dissension on any of three big topics discussed in the agenda review.

 

[UATKP]

I wish our Commissioner's Court would do the same. Maybe then our Sheriff would step up. So far he hasn't.

 

[JLeòdhas]

The Confederacy isn't dead, its sleeping, waiting till the right time to wake up.

 

[fudo]

The Confederacy isn't dead, its sleeping, waiting till the right time to wake up.

If you really mean that, you are either congenitally deranged or irretrievably stupid. I don't think that anybody with an IQ bigger than their hat size wants a return to slavery.

 

[SR40c]

If you really mean that, you are either congenitally deranged or irretrievably stupid. I don't think that anybody with an IQ bigger than their hat size wants a return to slavery.

With all due respect, I don't think that's what he was getting at. Further more, the Civil War wasn't all about slavery. It was about unfair taxation, state's rights, and preservation of the Union. This is always a question I ask people when getting on this very subject... Does anyone really believe that 2.5 million men from the the northern states would be willing leave everything they have and their families to go to war, possibly to die (360,000 did), for the sole purpose of freeing the slaves? At the same time we are to believe that the massive number of troops from the south did the same to protect the rich plantation owner's alleged right to keep them? Please my friend, do not fall for left's version of rewritten history.

 

[dad45acp]

The Confederacy isn't dead, its sleeping, waiting till the right time to wake up.

Although the civil war wasn't all about slavery are we going to stoop so low as to create more divisiveness here in the US with comments like this? This is what's wrong with America. These strong ideologies and the inability to 'get along' IMHO. This also leads to lack of civility which is running rampant AND why 2nd Amendment issues are a hot button issue right now. We can be better and smarter than this.

 

[SR40c]

Although the civil war wasn't all about slavery are we going to stoop so low as to create more divisiveness here in the US with comments like this? This is what's wrong with America. These strong ideologies and the inability to 'get along' IMHO. This also leads to lack of civility which is running rampant AND why 2nd Amendment issues are a hot button issue right now. We can be better and smarter than this.

Sorry, but not seeing the "divisiveness" in his statement. The inability to get along starts with your president and his progressive socialist shills demonizing those who disagree with them. As far as the current ramping up of attacks on our Second Amendment rights goes, the perceived "divisive" statements have little to with it and more to do with socialist ideology, and their trying to disarm us in order to further their agenda of tyranny.

 

[Vanquished]

Sorry, but not seeing the "divisiveness" in his statement. The inability to get along starts with your president and his progressive socialist shills demonizing those who disagree with them. As far as the current ramping up of attacks on our Second Amendment rights goes, the perceived "divisive" statements have little to with it and more to do with socialist ideology, and their trying to disarm us in order to further their agenda of tyranny.

I agree with you, this country is more divided than it has ever been in my lifetime (easily) and probably since far before. obama is achieving his goal, he wants us to become socialist like most of Europe, defenseless to our governments and taxed out of all our money. I don't hope for a civil war because I don't hope for loss of life, I do strongly wish however that this country divides (I'd love to see the federal government disbanded entirely) and those who want freedom can live free with small government, and those who want socialism can live under total government rule.

I live in MA right now but I would absolutely jump ship for a more free state should the scenario I just mentioned play out. I just keep wondering how the government taxes nearly $3 Trillion ever year and spends nearly 4... What on earth is all that money going to? Isn't defense only 13% of that? I can't help but realize it all goes to the corrupt politics that have become the norm over this country's history...

I get sad when I think of what I thought the country would now be like when I was a child and then realize it's so far from what I had hoped...

 

[BluesStringer]

The Confederacy isn't dead, its sleeping, waiting till the right time to wake up.

If you really mean that, you are either congenitally deranged or irretrievably stupid. I don't think that anybody with an IQ bigger than their hat size wants a return to slavery.

With all due respect, I don't think that's what he was getting at. Further more, the Civil War wasn't all about slavery. It was about unfair taxation, state's rights, and preservation of the Union. This is always a question I ask people when getting on this very subject... Does anyone really believe that 2.5 million men from the the northern states would be willing leave everything they have and their families to go to war, possibly to die (360,000 did), for the sole purpose of freeing the slaves? At the same time we are to believe that the massive number of troops from the south did the same to protect the rich plantation owner's alleged right to keep them? Please my friend, do not fall for left's version of rewritten history.

Fudo, you might want to see a doctor about that knee jerkin' around so uncontrollably!

There is a legitimate dichotomy to the Confederacy's goals. Yes, maintaining slavery was on one side, but freedom from a tyrannical government was the other side of the same coin. Let's see....has that dichotomy ever existed in America before the War of Northern Aggression? Why yes, yes it has. The Union was founded with the exact same dichotomy in place, and anyone who thinks the War of Northern Aggression started to "free the slaves" is themselves a slave to a revisionist view of history. Lincoln wasn't a hero for freedom, on behalf of slaves or any other group or ideas of moral imperatives. He was a brutal tyrant, as racist as any man alive at the time. The Emancipation Proclamation was a tool to weaken the Southern forces, that's all. There was no morality or magnanimity behind it.

Personally, I don't think the South "will rise again" in any manner that tracks 1860's understanding of the phrase. I also don't think America will rise again. But to the extent that a hot war breaks out between The People and the government, it won't be North against South or any other combination of regional rivalries, which are still obviously just under the surface of many American's consciousness or else a simple statement of Southern pride wouldn't so immediately be interpreted as a call for the re-institution of slavery. If/when it breaks out this time, it will just be random chaos. Everywhere. There will be no escape if you're still here once it starts. The only escape is before it starts, but people want to hear about that even less than they want to hear about the South rising again, so I'll stop there. But really, the knee-jerkiness about the South should not be encouraging for the future of this country to anyone.

Blues

 

[SR40c]

... I live in MA right now but I would absolutely jump ship for a more free state should the scenario I just mentioned play out. I just keep wondering how the government taxes nearly $3 Trillion ever year and spends nearly 4... What on earth is all that money going to? Isn't defense only 13% of that? I can't help but realize it all goes to the corrupt politics that have become the norm over this country's history...

I get sad when I think of what I thought the country would now be like when I was a child and then realize it's so far from what I had hoped...

Welfare. It's being given away under the guise of Social Programs (Welfare), Subsidies and Forgivable Loans (Corporate Welfare), AND Foreign Aid (International Welfare aka "Bribe Money"). THAT is where our money is going.

It's not just Democrats, it's Republicans too. ALL OF THEM. Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks it's odd that those three categories of spending are NEVER brought up during the so called budget cuts discussions?

 

[BluesStringer]

Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks it's odd that those three categories of spending are NEVER brought up during the so called budget cuts discussions?

It's worse than that Brother. Not even budget cuts are brought up during the so-called budget cuts discussions!

Blues

 

[SR40c]

Good point. Slime. All of them.

 

[fudo]

Fudo, you might want to see a doctor about that knee jerkin' around so uncontrollably!

There is a legitimate dichotomy to the Confederacy's goals. Yes, maintaining slavery was on one side, but freedom from a tyrannical government was the other side of the same coin.

Blues - I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I believe that the issue of slavery was a sore on the body politic that was festering since the founders couldn't resolve the issue when writing the constitution. The Missouri Compromise was an event that sharpened the point that slavery was not necessary to the mechanized economy of the north, but essential to the cash crop economy that was the backbone of south. Politicians in the north and south understood that ending slavery would destroy the southern economy and confiscate millions of dollars of property, which caused the secession of southern states triggered by Abraham Lincoln's election.
Let's see....has that dichotomy ever existed in America before the War of Northern Aggression? Why yes, yes it has. The Union was founded with the exact same dichotomy in place, and anyone who thinks the War of Northern Aggression started to "free the slaves" is themselves a slave to a revisionist view of history. Lincoln wasn't a hero for freedom, on behalf of slaves or any other group or ideas of moral imperatives.

Lincoln said, early on that his goal was to preserve the union, if he could do it by keeping slavery, or by outlawing slavery. The position on abolition developed as the war progressed.
He was a brutal tyrant, as racist as any man alive at the time.

Not so, A southern slave owner could certainly see Lincoln as a tyrant, as he was a leader of a government that was intent on destroying their way of life. However, I have to say that, in my opinion, Lincoln was on the side of the angels on this one. Lincoln certainly did not see black people as social equals, but he recognized their humanity. As the war progressed, Lincoln's opinion developed toward abolition. He took the admonition that "a house divided against itself cannot stand." to heart.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a tool to weaken the Southern forces,
This is true.

that's all. There was no morality or magnanimity behind it.

This is not. Lincoln needed the Emancipation Proclamation for three reasons; first, it funneled huge numbers of free and newly liberated black men into the union army. Second; the Emancipation Proclamation provided the motivation for black and abolitionist white men to join the fight by transformation of various nebulous agendas into one crystal-clear goal of the war.Third; it provided the preparatory political ground for the 13th amendment.


Personally, I don't think the South "will rise again" in any manner that tracks 1860's understanding of the phrase. But to the extent that a hot war breaks out between The People and the government, it won't be North against South or any other combination of regional rivalries, which are still obviously just under the surface of many American's consciousness
We are in 100% agreement on this.

or else a simple statement of Southern pride wouldn't so immediately be interpreted as a call for the re-institution of slavery.
A not so simple statement. If you say "The south will rise again.". the obvious question is,What south? The obvious reference is to the CSA. If the south [CSA] rises again the logical conclusion is that when it does rise, it will be again what it once was. And as an institution, the CSA was completely devoted to the continuation of human slavery in perpetuity.

If/when it breaks out this time, it will just be random chaos. Everywhere. There will be no escape if you're still here once it starts. The only escape is before it starts, but people want to hear about that even less than they want to hear about the South rising again, so I'll stop there. But really, the knee-jerkiness about the South should not be encouraging for the future of this country to anyone.

Blues

No knee jerkiness here. As I've explained above, I believe my position is well reasoned, not a hot button reaction.
It may be that my words may have been to strong, but the argument is a red herring, as the issue of "states rights" was almost totally about slavery. In any case my intent is now clarified. IF the intent of the poster was what I think it was, my statement stands. I believe is that comments like this are known to be intentionally inflammatory. If his intent was different than my perception of it, I offer my apology and invite him to explain his intent so I can see where I'm wrong.

 

[fuhr52]

Welfare. It's being given away under the guise of Social Programs (Welfare), Subsidies and Forgivable Loans (Corporate Welfare), AND Foreign Aid (International Welfare aka "Bribe Money"). THAT is where our money is going.

It's not just Democrats, it's Republicans too. ALL OF THEM. Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks it's odd that those three categories of spending are NEVER brought up during the so called budget cuts discussions?

It's not just you. Even at the local level the first program to get the ax is public safety. Social programs are always safe from any cuts. After all few will notice that. Public safety on the other hand affects many.

 

[JLeòdhas]

If you really mean that, you are either congenitally deranged or irretrievably stupid. I don't think that anybody with an IQ bigger than their hat size wants a return to slavery.

My statement had nothing to do with slavery. Some Southern States are making laws to counter federal laws that will ban some types of weapons, the states rights thing is popping its head up again. To me the Ole Confederate States are giving the tyrannt obama the bird. This thread started out as being about Tenn. and Tenn. is part of the old confederacy, so once again they are bucking big brother. Slavery was part of the War of Northern Aggression but, only 10% of the southern population if that many owned slaves. The Confederate Solider fought against an evil invading yankee horde army to protect their families and land. The master took care of their slaves, they had food, clothes on their back and a roof over their head. The poor white man had nobody to take care of them, what they had was because of their own two hands. I guess you can say that a slave was worth more than a poor white man. As for as returning to slavery, have we ever left? We are still slaves today just in a different way and without the chains.

 

[fudo]

My statement had nothing to do with slavery. Some Southern States are making laws to counter federal laws that will ban some types of weapons, the states rights thing is popping its head up again. To me the Ole Confederate States are giving the tyrannt obama the bird. This thread started out as being about Tenn. and Tenn. is part of the old confederacy, so once again they are bucking big brother. Slavery was part of the War of Northern Aggression but, only 10% of the southern population if that many owned slaves. The Confederate Solider fought against an evil invading yankee horde army to protect their families and land. The master took care of their slaves, they had food, clothes on their back and a roof over their head. The poor white man had nobody to take care of them, what they had was because of their own two hands. I guess you can say that a slave was worth more than a poor white man. As for as returning to slavery, have we ever left? We are still slaves today just in a different way and without the chains.

we agree that some southern states are flipping obama the bird. However there are some northern state doing the same thing. in point of fact the south started the war at Fort Sumter. Many soldiers fought in the war on both sides to protect their homes In many border states families sent sons to both sides as a way of having a son on the winning side to protect the family from confiscation of family property.
As for the part that I highlighted, this is what I have come to expect from 50 years of government controlled education. There is a lot about slavery that is not covered by Disney's "Song of the South." :frown:

 

[BluesStringer]

Fudo, our whole disagreement boils down to this:

Lincoln said, early on that his goal was to preserve the union, if he could do it by keeping slavery, or by outlawing slavery.

The fact is, the Union was dead by the time Lincoln recognized the first formation of that train of thought rattling around in his tyrannical brain. The Union was a voluntary contract between an entity that wouldn't even exist, and would never have existed, without it being agreed to by 13 sovereign states. Those states never agreed to give up their sovereignty, nor was there any authority whatsoever given to the federal government that would prevent them from retracting their voluntary cooperation with the government they gave their permission to be created within that contract. That is the very nature of voluntarism. It never would've been entered into by any state that thought the possibility that the federal government would one day force them under an unconstitutional color of authority to "preserve the Union" that they no longer agreed to be a part of. That makes Lincoln's conduct during the war tyrannical. Brutally tyrannical.

For me, it has nothing to do with the issue of slavery. Just like now, it's all about the government adhering to its own charter, the Constitution, which neither Lincoln did, nor has the government probably ever done since his administration, but for sure since 1913 when the 16th and 17th Amendments were illegally inserted into the Constitution, and the Federal Reserve was created to complete the trifecta of usurping laws that are responsible for the tyranny this country is now suffering under.

The house was divided long before Lincoln engaged in the hypocritical bit of rhetoric he's famous for spewing. You "pro-preserve the Union" guys would have a leg to stand on if you had allowed the secession of the CSA and then dealt with the issue of slavery in your own territory first, and then through normal diplomatic channels with the CSA like two separate countries are supposed to do. It is impossible, though, to escape the hypocrisy of setting up an economic system that everyone agreed to, and under which Southern states helped to fund the federal government for 75 years before the fed suddenly changing their minds and, even as you say, "Politicians in the north.... understood that ending slavery would destroy the southern economy and confiscate millions of dollars of property." When a force sets out to destroy you, steal your tangible and real property, you either fight or, yourselves, become slaves. No matter the rationale, whether unfair taxation or slavery, or any combination thereof, the CSA did exactly what the colonists did when it became clear to them that Great Britain could never be convinced to let them live in peace and freedom, they seceded, and the CSA's hypocrisy in yearning for freedom while maintaining the evil of slavery was no worse than that of the first Congress and Presidency and subsequent governments from then on which Lincoln grew up while living under and participated in as both a citizen and elected official.

"Preserving the Union" has done nothing but contribute to a current atmosphere where a sharply divided country is again at the brink of war with itself. Only tyrants forcibly keep people inside a country they do not wish to live in, and only free men and women can ever be part of a unified house, for without the freedom to leave if they so choose, there is no unity within that house.

Blues

 

[NCIC105]

As a true "Southerner" would say How bout them DAWGA, GATORS, TAR HEELS, TECS, HOGS, TIGERS, COCKS, CRIMSON WAVE, RAMBLING WRECK...ECT---ECT----ECT

Lot of pride in our states....We are raised to stand up and be counted, not to lay down and be ran over.....

 

[Pir8fan]

We native southerners have had a healthy distrust of the federal government since the time of reconstruction. That distrust is deeper now than at any time in my life. I have no doubt that the South will be the center of any resistance to the current regime. No one is advocating a return to 1860 but we are very much willing to stand up for our rights. Most of us expect the resistance to be in the form of civil disobedience. We'll simply ignore forced registration, background checks for private sales/transfers and similar regulations. Anyone that thinks southerners will cave to Obama, clearly doesn't understand us.

 

[tricolordad]

The Confederacy isn't dead, its sleeping, waiting till the right time to wake up.

The confederacy is as dead as country "music." Want proof?

Take it from good ol Wikipedia, who has their sources listed.

"The Confederate States of America (CSA), also known as the Confederacy, was a government set up from 1861 to 1865 by a number of Southern slave states that had declared their secession from the United States."

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice the date the confederacy dissolved...May 5, 1865. Another reason to celebrate Cinco De Mayo!