Single Stack vs Double Stack for CCW

[bofh]

There is no difference between a military gun fight, a police gun fight, and a civilian gun fight. A gun fight is a gun fight. The clothes you happen to be wearing at the moment are irrelevant.

It is the gear, rules of engagement, mission and legal framework that make the difference. In a non-LEO civilian life, your EDC is not an M4, there is no offensive armed engagement, your mission is based on your personal goals in life, and you are not accountable under the UCMJ. All of this does have an impact on what your options are. A gun fight is a gun fight is an oversimplification.

 

[bonephish]

There is no difference between a military gun fight, a police gun fight, and a civilian gun fight. A gun fight is a gun fight. The clothes you happen to be wearing at the moment are irrelevant.

Correct in my way of thinking. But as for the movie theatre scenario, I would stay low and get the hell out of there. I stand a better chance of survival because I'm out-gunned and he's in body armor. If I draw his fire, I become his prime target and will surely be killed or worse.

 

[BluesStringer]

Just received a PM from Blueshell entitled "Re: Games 2 Can Play." I don't conduct private conversations in PMs that originate on the board in public. Apparently, the "game" he thinks we're engaged in is how many times he can get away with calling me names before the reports of those violations of the rules force the mods to take action against me for being a "troll," which really just amounts to nothing less than more name-calling to begin with. If the mod(s) fall for that ploy, that's on them, but just to advise the name-caller who is now invading, and who is not welcome in, my inbox, there's also a "Report Post" link in the inbox too.

 

[bofh]

But as for the movie theatre scenario, I would stay low and get the hell out of there. I stand a better chance of survival because I'm out-gunned and he's in body armor. If I draw his fire, I become his prime target and will surely be killed or worse.

And that's the mindset issue that I have been tying to discuss since your first post in this thread without all these misdirections.

Once that shooting is over, you will sit down and will ask yourself several moral and ethical questions. You have to live with your decisions. Those decisions were not made ad-hoc, but were based on the mindset that you had when you went to the movie theatre. We can't play out every scenario that may happen to us in our lives and then prepare a strategy for each. Instead, we develop a mindset that guides us in making decisions in emergency situations.

By the way, you only know that someone wears body armor and not just a tactical vest when you start shooting at that person. Also, you are definitely outgunned if you are not shooting back. You are not the only one being attacked, don't assume that you will be the only one shooting back. You may stand a better chance of survival when running away, others may stand a better chance of survival when you fight back.

I leave the moral and ethical discussion for yourself.

PS: If this would be military combat, you could be prosecuted for desertion under the UCMJ. Running away is an option that you have in civilian life. That's one reason why a self defensive shooting is not military combat. Read the rest in my post #81.

 

[bonephish]

A dead hero is still dead. Too many self-righteous forum nazis on this board. I'm outta here...

 

[bofh]

A dead hero is still dead. Too many self-righteous forum nazis on this board. I'm outta here...

And a live coward has to live with his decisions, which is more painful for that person. This has nothing to do with self-righteousness or forum nazis. We are all imperfect in our own ways. That's life. You should know that by now. Reflecting on our own deficiencies makes us stronger, not weaker.

 

[Eidolon]

But as for the movie theatre scenario, I would stay low and get the hell out of there.

You realize that everyone in the theater is going to be trying to do the same thing right? Google the Happyland Fire. 80 some people piled up against a door that opened in and died because they couldn't pull the door open against the crush.

Personally I don't go to theaters. Mostly because I'm an old fart and I can't hear anyway but there's also an element of the rule of stupids in there too.

In church I sit on the extreme left of the sanctuary (I go to a pretty big church I think it seats eighty people) right next to a fire exit. My wife has been briefed that at any disturbance she is to get out that door without concern for what I'm doing.

 

[Ringo]

All of my auto pistols, regardless of carry method or caliber, are single stack. High round capacity is good if you plan on missing a lot. :wink:

Both my guns are single stack, one holds 10+1 the pocket gun holds 7+1 and I would not get rid of either. Both are thin and easy to conceal, accurate and dependable. Carry an extra mag and you have more than enough rounds. :dance3:

There is no difference between a military gun fight, a police gun fight, and a civilian gun fight. A gun fight is a gun fight. The clothes you happen to be wearing at the moment are irrelevant.

I look at it this way, the gun that ruled for many years was the old six-shooter. It was cumbersome and held six rounds. Therefore, my two single stack semi-autos are fine. One holds 10+1 and my pocket gun even holds 7+1 which is more than the six shooter. If you live somewhere where you believe any shooting you get into will take more than a few rounds you better move to another location. :dirol:

I'm an older gent and have learned not to confront a lunatic looking for a fight, and don't believe in the Zombie Apocalypse. If I ever have to draw my weapon, it will be at very close range, certainly less than 21 feet.

Because I'm 71 and not in perfect physical condition, I am not able to take an offensive position in a situation where there's a lunatic or team of shooters in order to protect others. I don't want to get into a gunfight. I'll take a defensive position and get out of his line of fire, waiting for the right timing before I act.

Capacity has never been the deciding factor for any gun I've ever bought or carried..

Believe me, some combat situations are truly "defensive" and were closer than 24 feet. My eye sight is not as sharp but I can still hit a quarter-size target at bad breath distance. Some skills are never forgotten but I do spend time at the range quite often.

A dead hero is still dead.

Personally I don't go to theaters. Mostly because I'm an old fart and I can't hear anyway but there's also an element of the rule of stupids in there too.
In church I sit on the extreme left of the sanctuary (I go to a pretty big church I think it seats eighty people) right next to a fire exit.

+1

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[Coyote44]

After you have tried the doubles for awhile, you will get tired of them....I did it for years with the Glocks....I have always had 1911's but did not carry them much....NOW that is all I carry. I will take the "thinner" even though heavier gun.

 

[Eidolon]

After you have tried the doubles for awhile, you will get tired of them...

Why will I get tired of them?

 

[vegas girl]

Yes...find the RIGHT holster. When I first bought my first handgun...Ruger LC9s....I bought a cute pink holster.....EPIC FAIL....the gun didn't fit right....and it didn't feel comfortable...boyfriend's son gave my a Kydex holster....WOW....worth every penny.

 

[Blueshell]

Why will I get tired of them?

I agree, double stacked mags fit my hand better, I won't likely ever tire of using something that's comfortable.

 

[Ringo]

I agree, double stacked mags fit my hand better, I won't likely ever tire of using something that's comfortable.

Try a single stack with a Hogue combat grip. Guaranteed to fit your hand even better.

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[Eidolon]

I'll tell you what would be much more of a deal breaker for me is an external manual safety. That would cause me to pass on a gun loooong before capacity would

 

[Blueshell]

I'll tell you what would be much more of a deal breaker for me is an external manual safety. That would cause me to pass on a gun loooong before capacity would

I'll always take a manual saftey if it's large.

 

[studenygreg]

I carry my xds .45 or the lcp. I'm currently debating whether to get the xd mod 2 subcompact .45acp.

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[Eidolon]

I'll always take a manual saftey if it's large.

A manual safety is a mechanical device and mechanical devices fail.

Lose the nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock

 

[bofh]

A manual safety is a mechanical device and mechanical devices fail.

Lose the nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock

The issue with a manual safety is not that it will fail, but that the operator will fail to disengage it. Another issue is that the operator may disengage it when the firearm is pointed at his leg during the draw (Tex Grebner style). Train and practice, practice, practice. Many low-end and mid-range 1911s are also prone to jam and their manual safety is prone to lock up on a dirty firearm.

 

[Blueshell]

A manual safety is a mechanical device and mechanical devices fail.

Lose the nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock

Maybe when Glock fixes their grip angle I'll give them a try.

 

[Eidolon]

The issue with a manual safety is not that it will fail, but that the operator will fail to disengage it. Another issue is that the operator may disengage it when the firearm is pointed at his leg during the draw (Tex Grebner style). Train and practice, practice, practice. Many low-end and mid-range 1911s are also prone to jam and their manual safety is prone to lock up on a dirty firearm.

No matter how you look at it (mechanical failure or operator head space) a mechanical safety is one more thing that can go wrong and as such (IMO) has no business on a defensive handgun