Single Stack vs Double Stack for CCW

[BluesStringer]

The **** does that have to do with single/double stack magazines?

Not even back from your time out for 24 hours, but you're right back to humpin' legs and posting vulgarities that can't make it past the auto-censor, huh?

 

[BluesStringer]

I'm not addressing what YM said. I'm addressing what you said.

Yeah, well, what YM said is the only thing I was commenting on, so stick what you said where the sun don't shine.

Read the book, it's available on EBay for around 5 bucks. Morell has Rambo reflecting in the mineshaft that he wanted another taste of combat and that he wanted to show Teasle (a Chosin Reservoir survivor) that he was the better man and that that the Madison PD had picked the wrong guy to mess with.

That's the character David Morell created.

Thanks for the tip. Let us know how your proposed reading assignment goes over at Oprah's Book Club.

 

[bonephish]

You are very likely to just start dumping rounds into the attacker until he/she appears to fall down or run away. By the time that happens, your gun may run dry. With anything low capacity, you should train the Mozambique drill.

Now who's being disrespectful? You don't know me or my level of marksmanship under stress. I've been shot at more than once in combat situations, and I'm still kicking more than 50 years later. The "bad guys" have since turned to bones and dust.

Most days I carry a 9mm with 7 or 8 rounds and a pocket mouse with 7 or 8 in a smaller caliber. If a bad guy seriously threatens to kill me or harm my wife, I can put one in his left eye and another in his right eye. If he's somehow still coming, he gets one between the eyes. Trust me, I do not BS about things like this.

 

[Eidolon]

Thanks for the tip. Let us know how your proposed reading assignment goes over at Oprah's Book Club.

You're the one that claimed that what I said wasn't true. I merely offered you a chance to prove me wrong (or not).

 

[Eidolon]

If a bad guy seriously threatens to kill me or harm my wife, I can put one in his left eye and another in his right eye. If he's somehow still coming, he gets one between the eyes.

Best of luck with that, let us know how it works out for you

 

[bonephish]

Best of luck with that, let us know how it works out for you

Been there, done that. I'm no alter kocker, assume you'd just pee in your Depends and hit him with your walker.

 

[bofh]

You are very likelyto just start dumping rounds into the attacker until he/she appears to fall down or run away. By the time that happens, your gun may run dry. With anything low capacity, you should train the Mozambique drill.

Now who's being disrespectful? You don't know me or my level of marksmanship under stress. I've been shot at more than once in combat situations, and I'm still kicking more than 50 years later. The "bad guys" have since turned to bones and dust.

Most days I carry a 9mm with 7 or 8 rounds and a pocket mouse with 7 or 8 in a smaller caliber. If a bad guy seriously threatens to kill me or harm my wife, I can put one in his left eye and another in his right eye. If he's somehow still coming, he gets one between the eyes. Trust me, I do not BS about things like this.

No disrespect, which is why the part in bold and the text that you omitted:

Back on topic about single-stack vs. double-stack handguns, i.e., low vs. large capacity, most underestimate or misunderstand self defensive situations. You are very likely to just start dumping rounds into the attacker until he/she appears to fall down or run away. By the time that happens, your gun may run dry. With anything low capacity, you should train the Mozambique drill. A guy showed up at the range last week with his .45 ACP 1911. He didn't practice his draw at all. The first shots he fired at a steel target, he emptied the magazine. Only one hit out of 8 rounds. That's exactly how I expect this guy to perform in a self defensive situation, running dry with one positive hit.

Do you train and practice the Mozambique drill? Shooting is a perishable skill. I am assuming you used a rifle while in combat. We are talking about using pistols in a self defensive shooting. A self defensive shooting is not military combat.

Given your comments in this thread, I conclude that you do misunderstand self defensive situations or have an odd sense of humor. This talk about putting one in someone's left eye and another in his right eye is just that, talk. The diameter of an eye is a little bit less than an inch. You are telling me that you can consistently hit a 1 inch target at, let's say, 24 feet distance with your handgun while being shot at, the target is moving, and you are potentially moving as well?

 

[Eidolon]

You are telling me that you can consistently hit a 1 inch target at, let's say, 24 feet distance with your handgun while being shot at, the target is moving, and you had better be moving as well?

There fixed it for you

 

[Eidolon]

Capacity has never been the deciding factor for any gun I've ever bought or carried. I traded my M&P Shield for a 9C because I liked the way the 9C fit my hand better and because a 9C will take an M&P 9 magazine where a Shield won't. In fact I've always felt that's all the Shield needed to make it perfect.

List your deal breaker criteria then go find that gun.

 

[Eidolon]

Been there, done that.

So a bad guy has attacked you and you dotted his eyes for him?

 

[bofh]

You are telling me that you can consistently hit a 1 inch target at, let's say, 24 feet distance with your handgun while being shot at, the target is moving, and you had better be moving as well?

There fixed it for you

Well, I was trying to be respectful in terms of one's physical ability to move at that age.

M.O.V.E = Motionless Operators Ventilate Easily

 

[Eidolon]

Well, I was trying to be respectful in terms of one's physical ability to move at that age.

M.O.V.E = Motionless Operators Ventilate Easily

Interesting little factoid: The only participant not hit in the Gunfight a half a block away from the OK Corral was Wyatt Earp and all of the eyewitness testimony agrees that once the shooting started he stood there banging them out like he he was on the range.

 

[bonephish]

I am assuming you used a rifle while in combat. We are talking about using pistols in a self defensive shooting. A self defensive shooting is not military combat.

Given your comments in this thread, I conclude that you do misunderstand self defensive situations or have an odd sense of humor. This talk about putting one in someone's left eye and another in his right eye is just that, talk. The diameter of an eye is a little bit less than an inch. You are telling me that you can consistently hit a 1 inch target at, let's say, 24 feet distance with your handgun while being shot at, the target is moving, and you are potentially moving as well?

My sidearm was a M1911, carried a M14 or a M60. Believe me, some combat situations are truly "defensive" and were closer than 24 feet. My eye sight is not as sharp but I can still hit a quarter-size target at bad breath distance. Some skills are never forgotten but I do spend time at the range quite often.

 

[BluesStringer]

You're the one that claimed that what I said wasn't true. I merely offered you a chance to prove me wrong (or not).

What is it with you? I never claimed any such thing. I didn't concede to the point you were making, and only light-heartedly clarified what I intended to comment on, which was YM's boneheaded statement, not yours. You came at me, not the other way around. Show me the "claim" you attribute to me in this:

HA! Even if that's true, which I do not concede, do you believe ol' YankeeMarshal knew that and was referring to the book character rather than the movie character?

Leg-humpers all over the place in here last night.

Blues

 

[BluesStringer]

That's not your line. You're supposed to accuse me of changing my custom user title or some **** like you did last time. I see you still do nothing but make these crybaby posts, mallninja.

I've been on a dozen other gun forums calling people out on their nonsense just as I call you out on this forum. You say it's trolling because it pisses you off. Way to not take responsibility for yourself there.

So please, double/single stack mags or stfu mallninja

 

[bofh]

My sidearm was a M1911, carried a M14 or a M60. Believe me, some combat situations are truly "defensive" and were closer than 24 feet. My eye sight is not as sharp but I can still hit a quarter-size target at bad breath distance. Some skills are never forgotten but I do spend time at the range quite often.

At bad breath distance, you may be accurate, but as you mention, your eye sight is not as sharp as it used to be. Also, who uses sights at bad breath distance (3 feet or less) anyway? That's point shooting distance, as you can not line up the sights in time and, without using the fancy Center Axis Relock (C.A.R.) technique, your gun will be closer to your attacker than to you. Sticking your gun out toward your attacker is really not a good idea at bad breath distance. Do you use the C.A.R. technique? I do not.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, counting on your opponent being close is setting yourself up for failure. What are you going to do if an active shooter shows up at a movie theater or church? Think about this for a moment. You are sitting in a movie theater and a guy storms in, gets in front of everyone and just starts shooting people. Now what? The seats in a movie theater barely offer concealment. They do not offer cover. Everyone will be ducking and trying to get out. Everything is happening under low-light conditions. Your options are:

1) You draw your firearm, stand up a bit or kneel (to avoid having any one else in your line of fire), you start shooting at the attacker and you move sideways to the best you can. Others may prevent you from moving or try to run you over. You are an easy target and you may get shot.

2) You duck and try to get out. Others will be in your way or not, depending on where you sit. You still may get shot though.

3) You duck and try to shoot back when you can. Others will run you over. Also, others may be in your line of fire. You still may get shot.

Would you be in need of utilizing a flashlight? What if the guy is wearing body armor? What if the guy is shooting a rifle? Putting as many rounds as possible into this guy as fas as possible will be crucial to stop him.

Going back to the single-stack vs. double-stack argument and my example of this guy at the range with 1 hits out of 8 rounds out of a 1911, having the right mindset, skills and gear are all deciding factors in the result, whether there will be 3 or 25 people killed, whether you will be among them or not, and whether you can live with your decisions if you survive or not. Needing to change the magazine or simply running out of ammo in the middle of a gunfight with you being pinned down can have a significant impact.

Another example I offered is the carjacking by 3 guys. Only one of them will be at bad breath distance, the others will not. Other than compliance, what are your options in fighting back with a .380 ACP mouse gun? Remember, those carjackers may be very well escaped convicts that simply do not run away after the first shot, but rather start shooting at you.

Going back to my argument that a self defensive shooting is not military combat, you are not following orders and it is your choice to engage or not. That choice needs to be taken fast and decisively, i.e., you need to have the right mindset. The rules of engagement are different. Also, behind every bullet you shoot, there is a lawyer waiting to sue you for the damage it causes. Rule #4 is significantly more important in civilian live.

 

[Blueshell]

Yet another off-topic post, mallninja.

 

[Blueshell]

I guess I need to post more James Yeager videos to educate people.

He's blocked me for calling him out on his "I'm gona start killing people" video; I don't take issue with how he feels, or even if he acted on it, but posting a video of you outright threatening heads of state is beyond dumb. Yeager has a lot of good things to say, the video you post being an example, and I suspect that when push comes to shove Yeager will put many on this forum to shame buy actually doing something about it.

 

[Blueshell]

Do you train and practice the Mozambique drill? Shooting is a perishable skill. I am assuming you used a rifle while in combat. We are talking about using pistols in a self defensive shooting. A self defensive shooting is not military combat.

There is no difference between a military gun fight, a police gun fight, and a civilian gun fight. A gun fight is a gun fight. The clothes you happen to be wearing at the moment are irrelevant.

 

[BluesStringer]

Yet another off-topic post, mallninja.