Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation
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Firefighterchen
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You really think believers don't have the ability to bring people and push people away from Jesus?
Whatever denomination of Christianity you follow is very misleading.
Farmhood
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No my friend. YOU do not bring people to Christ.
Only Jesus Christ brings people to Himself.
Please do not follow a denomination or a person...read the Bible and follow Jesus.
Only associate and fellowship with people because people make mistakes and that's where grace and mercy comes in.
Only follow Jesus Christ...The Truth!
Don't be misled. 2 Peter 3. 17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
XD40scinNC
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Have you noted my signature line? Perhaps you should, it is so appropriate for you.
Firefighterchen
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You are not much better than the Westboro church at spreading the word if you think you don't represent Jesus to non believers.
Farmhood
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Sorry brother I don't follow them and do not know a lot about them other than the disgraceful funeral stuff I saw on tv.
As far as "representing" Jesus Christ to non believers now you have framed another topic. You are blending this new one with the previous one and also accusing me of not being much better that a group of folks on the news.
You don't see that as twisting? (with all due respect)
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Farmhood
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Sorry my non believing friend... I am unable to see your tag line.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Firefighterchen
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If the shoe fits. If Jesus is the only person that can push people away, Westboro by your logic is doing nothing wrong.
Trolling atheists (that particular believers representation of Jesus) is pushing non believers away, whether or not you believe it.
Farmhood
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Think about it, the Bible is very clear, it is like a mirror that reveals your true image and nature. Now... you will either be drawn TO Gods love and forgivness or AWAY to the prince of this world and the love of your/my sin.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Oldgrunt
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For what it worth, we are all starting to pee in the wind by disagreeing with each other and not quite representing Christ in a brotherly way and contrary to what we should be doing. Showing hostility and disagreement between ourselves will never help bring anyone to the Lord. I think we all mean well but we seem to get off track through personal feelings rather than what the Bible has instructed us to do when sharing the Lord with the world. I am no saint and do get quite disturbed at times with the constant arguing back and forth but we all need to stop and look at what we are doing. As Farmhood has said, how would the Bible reveal our true image through some of our posts? I know I fall short many times but I do try to improve and present my discussions without deliberately antagonizing someone. I can't teach anyone anything about the Lord when I am treating them in a manner against what the Bible says. As for myself, when I see some comments made that I may disagree with and deem to be totally incendiary, I will try to find a method to respond which will convey my disagreement and in such a manner that might make the other fellow somewhat ashamed or, at least, uncomfortable with what he/she has written. Just for curiosity's sake, I checked a few references that tell us how we should (could) do things and maybe make progress in telling of the Lord. After all, we don't have much time left and we may be able to help save a soul(s) before everything goes to hell.
FYI:
Warning: The World is Watching How We Christians Treat One Another
What Does The Bible Say About How To Treat Others? A Bible Study
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FYI:
Warning: The World is Watching How We Christians Treat One Another
What Does The Bible Say About How To Treat Others? A Bible Study
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10 Excuses Christians Give for Treating Others Badly | Till He Comes
BIBLE VERSES ABOUT HOW TO TREAT OTHERS
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Firefighterchen
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While I agree with the majority of your post, farm has consistently said this part is not possible...that only Jesus can bring people to Jesus...hostility and disagreement doesn't play a role in others seeking the word.
Farmhood
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Just like the city close to me...things are broken in this country. We have moved from a moral foundation to wickedness and there is no doubt it is spreading across this nation. Stand down is the call of the day because we do not want anyone's feelings hurt even in their wrong doing!
2 Chronicles 7.14.nkjv if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
2 Chronicles 7.14.nkjv if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Oldgrunt
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The answer to this is fairly simple and is contained in Romans 6:44; "No man can come to me,except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." Depending on how you look at it, it can be confusing. When Jesus made that statement, he was on earth in human form (God, the Son) and also referring to God, the Father, the first part of the Trinity, who still occupied Heaven. Regardless of how one might want to explain it, each individual is drawn to salvation by God, the Father; God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit. The individual is called by God, under whichever title used, to salvation. Be thankful for having received the call, regardless of which title you use.
Firefighterchen
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It's not the title...it's the call...
I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make him drink...or can one not even lead a horse to water?
Oldgrunt
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I'm sure you meant something by that statement but I seem to have completely missed it. Oh well, regardless, the Father does the calling.
Ringo
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Like my signature says...
Firefighterchen
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Do missionaries for Christ have no purpose? If God does the calling, missionaries aren't needed.
Ringo
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2 Chronicles 7.14 is an absolute truth. However, in all due respect, considering present day America, is also extremely naive. Having read the End of the Book and knowing that we are already 67 years into this Last Generation, I'm thoroughly convinced that our land will be anything but healed let alone continue to exist. America's current relationship mirrors that of ISRAEL in the time of Jeremiah. In the time of the Prophet Jeremiah, three times God told Jeremiah "Do not pray for this people, because Israel's rebellion had reached the point where God knew that Israel, the apple of his eye, would not turn from their evil" (Jeremiah 7:16; 11:14; 14:11). God then used the Babylonian Empire to destroy Israel's nation, capitol, and temple and to bring its people into captivity in order to humble them into seeking, finding, and knowing God. And that was how God dealt with Israel, a nation He uniquely called out for specific blessing. This will come as a shock to many Americans, but despite what some authors claim, there is no special relationship between the United States of America and God to be found in the Bible. None! Our nation is not Israel. Nor has America replaced Israel, but instead our nation is just one in a very long line of Gentile nations. America, like any other nation that doesn't honor God is often allowed by God to be led by vile people who are in open rebellion and opposition to God's Biblical will. Considering our current national leadership in both parties, I believe America has reached the state that God is giving rebellious America over to our sinful desires... "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things that should never be done" (Romans 1:28).
Can our nation, declared by our current national leader a non-Christian nation, with its politically-correct, many-paths-to-god national persona, be able to return to the Lord God of our Founding Fathers? I firmly believe that our nation reached the point where God will refuse to hear prayers for this people. Now our nation's leadership has taken an even more dangerous, confrontational path which places us in a position of not only losing God's future blessing, but instead receiving God's curse (Genesis 12:3). The Lord God has made specific promises to Israel, and God's redemptive plan specifically includes Israel's restoration, defense and spiritual reawakening , and that one day all the nations on earth will be judged on their relationship with Israel. Now for the first time the United States of America (as well as those who are saved through Jesus Christ) are aligning with the spiritually dark nations of this earth who are openly hostile against His chosen people, ISRAEL. The Bible clearly states that though all the people of the earth shall be gathered together against Jerusalem, all shall be cut in pieces (Zechariah 12:3). If our nation continues down this path, and it will, our nation's fate is sealed. While our nation will never again thrive without God's blessing, it will never survive under God's curse.
As our nation continues to conspire and plot with other nations against our Lord God and his Anointed One, soon the fullness of the Gentiles will come in, and then Christ will take His Bride home. Then the great restrainer, the Holy Spirit in-dwelt in the Church, will be removed and full darkness shall descend upon those in the nations that did not like to retain God in their knowledge, and God will give them over completely to their reprobate minds. Another absolute truth...Americans will never humble themselves, pray and seek His face, or turn from their wicked ways. Quite to the contrary.
XD40scinNC
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You can drag a horse to water, but I know no way to drag a theist to reason. Now some do find their way, on their own, by actually questioning their religious teachings, but most won't/can't.
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