Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation
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XD40scinNC
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And are you also dismissing what your bible says, simply because an atheist dared to point them out to you... not very mature.
You really do hate it when someone holds up the mirror of reality and your true flaws become visible.
Farmhood
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Not even close...just more of your negativity, untruth and baiting.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
NotTwoShure
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Little XD still some of our radar? Hum. I only see he/his posts when it pops up on others.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Nonsense. He is dismissing your lack of understanding of what the Bible says, and your disingenuous attempt to use it as a weapon against your believer adversaries. Even amongst knowledgeable believing Christians, it's a dangerous game to cherry-pick one or two verses out of the 31,000+ and stomp somebody down as if it is the last word about judgment or any other subject. There are many passages about judgment, and not all of them would enure to your benefit the way you tried to disingenuously use Matt 17:1-3.
What you "pointed out" demonstrates immeasurably more about your character and lack of maturity than about anything regarding Farmhood.
I'll tell you what I really hate is when people troll threads and do their damnedest to cause turmoil where subjects are being discussed that they either don't even believe in, or hate the thought of people believing differently than they do in. You have absolutely nothing but insult and ridicule to "contribute" to threads about faith, and that is the definition of a troll, so why you're even allowed to remain posting in them is a mystery to me. But you are allowed, and so you will continue, but you quoting scripture in a dishonest effort to try to trap someone because they think (or know, as the case may be) that you're a troll when you don't even believe the words you're quoting have any validity, is not going to further whatever good graces the owner of this site has afforded you thus far. You tempt fate in multiple ways, as both a blasphemer and a forum troll.
Best of luck in your journeys.
Blues
Ringo
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XD40scinNC
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First I notice that you never debate my points, but resort to personal attacks in your attempt to defend that which cannot be defended. Every time your response is just a personal attack, you only validate that you have nothing, other than hatred for those that don't agree with you.
Clearly facts is the plural version of a dirty 4 letter word, 'fact'. The zero tolerance of the view of others is not what christians continually crow about as a wonderful being.
Were your god to actually exist, you sir and your hate in his name would cause you some awkward moments when you stood before him. But never fear, you are safe from that, for once your brain ceases to function in death, so does the god you believe in.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Why would anyone debate invalid "points?" Present a point that is up for debate, and I'll go to the ends of the Earth sussing out the finer points of your points. But we're talking about opinions and faith here, not points that are up for debate, as if you were ever attempting to engage in debate in this thread in the first place. You're here to ridicule and insult, and that's it.
I "attacked" you? Where? By observing that your "contributions" to threads like these are insulting and ridiculing?
And I don't have to defend my, or Farmhood's, Ringo's or anyone else's faith, anymore than you have to defend the faith you have in the rightness of your atheism. I live my faith, and very rarely even talk about it anymore on this board, mostly because of pot-stirrers like you who simply can't abide someone believing differently than you do without making their time here miserable. Congratulations! You mostly did exactly what you set out to accomplish with me! I stopped talking about my faith on this board because you and some others made it so unenjoyable, and my faith is all about joy, so don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for driving me elsewhere to continue enjoying that joy. You have done nothing to make me question my faith, anymore than I have done anything to "attack" you or make you question your atheism. I just quit trying here, but continue elsewhere with more like-minded people.
observation
[ob-zur-vey-shuh n]
noun
1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving.
2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching.
3. the faculty or habit of observing or noticing.
4. notice: to escape a person's observation.
5.an act or instance of viewing or noting a fact or occurrence for some scientific or other special purpose: the observation of blood pressure under stress.
6. the information or record secured by such an act.
7. something that is learned in the course of observing things:
My observation is that such clouds mean a storm.
attack
[uh-tak]
verb (used with object)
1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with:
He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against:
to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly:
He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, especially with verbal abuse:
to attack the mayor's reputation.
6. to set about (a task) or go to work on (a thing) vigorously:
to attack housecleaning; to attack the hamburger hungrily.
7. (of disease, destructive agencies, etc.) to begin to affect.
verb (used without object)
8. to make an attack; begin hostilities.
noun
9. the act of attacking; onslaught; assault.
10. a military offensive against an enemy or enemy position.
11. Pathology. seizure by disease or illness: an attack of indigestion.
12. the beginning or initiating of any action; onset.
13. an aggressive move in a performance or contest.
14. the approach or manner of approach in beginning a musical phrase.
[ob-zur-vey-shuh n]
noun
1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving.
2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching.
3. the faculty or habit of observing or noticing.
4. notice: to escape a person's observation.
5.an act or instance of viewing or noting a fact or occurrence for some scientific or other special purpose: the observation of blood pressure under stress.
6. the information or record secured by such an act.
7. something that is learned in the course of observing things:
My observation is that such clouds mean a storm.
attack
[uh-tak]
verb (used with object)
1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with:
He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against:
to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly:
He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, especially with verbal abuse:
to attack the mayor's reputation.
6. to set about (a task) or go to work on (a thing) vigorously:
to attack housecleaning; to attack the hamburger hungrily.
7. (of disease, destructive agencies, etc.) to begin to affect.
verb (used without object)
8. to make an attack; begin hostilities.
noun
9. the act of attacking; onslaught; assault.
10. a military offensive against an enemy or enemy position.
11. Pathology. seizure by disease or illness: an attack of indigestion.
12. the beginning or initiating of any action; onset.
13. an aggressive move in a performance or contest.
14. the approach or manner of approach in beginning a musical phrase.
To "observe" that every single one of your posts in any thread about faith that you participate in is intentionally insulting and/or ridiculing doesn't even approach any legitimate definition of the words "personal attack" or "hatred." I don't hate you, and would never attack you personally in any real way. Would I be critical of your insulting and ridiculing behavior on these boards? You betcha. Consider yourself criticized for same. Boo-friggin'-hoo. But knock off the whining about being "attacked" as you go about your mission in life to make any believer's presence on this board intolerable. It's unbecoming of any adult, and you even give atheists a worse image than they rightfully deserve.
Blues
Ringo
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Things Getting Weird As Pope Francis Joins The UN To Declare Jihad On Climate Change Skeptics.
The Vatican and the United Nations teamed up to warn the world of the effects of climate change on Tuesday, coming down firmly against skeptics who deny human activities help change global weather patterns.
“And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:5 (KJV)
From a spiritual and prophetic perspective, things are starting to get weird with Pope Francis. Very weird. Revelation 17 and 18 says that, in the last days, the Catholic Church once again becomes a world political power, just like the Rome of old. This is why we see the pope, who is a religious figure, suddenly getting very involved with movements and causes as a political figure. Francis has no problem using his global influence over 1.2 billion Catholics to get them to believe that man-made climate change is not only a real thing, but that if they don’t support it they are somehow out of the will of God. In essence, Pope Francis is declaring a jihad against any and all people who would dare say that man-made climate change is false, and using religion to do it. Francis is starting to understand who he is now, and the role he was born to play. The False Prophet.
Here is the permanent “climate change” that God is planning on performing:
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” 2 peter 3:10 (KJV)
Talk about your global warming. Ahh…if only Pope Francis believed the Bible.
Vatican City – U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon discussed climate change with the pope before opening a one-day conference of scientists and religious leaders called “The Moral Dimensions of Climate Change and Sustainable Development“. The pope, who is due to make a major address on sustainable development at the United Nations in September, has said he believes man is primarily responsible for climate change and is writing an encyclical on the environment.
Ban, opening the conference of some 60 scientists, religious leaders and diplomats hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, urged industrialized countries to invest in clean energy and reduce their carbon footprints.
“Mitigating climate change and adapting to its effects are necessary to eradicate extreme poverty, reduce inequality and secure equitable, sustainable economic development,” he said.
The gathering’s joint declaration said “human-induced climate change is a scientific reality, and its decisive control is a moral imperative for all of humanity”. Ban said he and the pope discussed Francis’ keenly awaited encyclical, which is expected to address the issue of man’s responsibility for climate change.
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Oldgrunt
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The Christian is not one of blind faith, but rather an intelligent faith. Our faith is objective (Jesus, the object) and historically factual. There is recorded evidence, other than the Bible, that Jesus existed and crucified just as the Bible says. There has been testimony of Him being seen after his resurrection by more than five hundred people. These facts are informational facts upon which all historical, legal, and ordinary decisions are based. Historical facts which can be validated other than with the Bible. Belief, as an individual, involves the mind, emotions and will.
Christians are said to be intolerant by not accepting what others believe. Tolerate is defined as recognizing and respect for other's belief and practices without sharing them and to bear or put up with them without actually sharing or especially liking them.. We tolerate other beliefs but do not accept them as true. A new definition of tolerance is being foisted upon us, "tolerance is that every individual's beliefs, lifestyle and perception of truth claims are equal. Your beliefs, and mine are equal and truth is relative." This would assume that truth is inclusive and can all be lumped together. The truth, however, is that all truth is exclusive, at least to some degree, for it must exclude as false that which is not true. It is the person who disbelieves in the face of strong evidence supporting Christianity who is really intolerant and close minded. The rejection of God is not so much of the mind but of the will; not so much "I can't" but "I won't."
And, as you like to quote Pascal's Wager, he wrote, "The evidence of God's existence is more than compelling, but those who insist that they have no need of Him or it will always find ways to discount the offer." We most definitely believe our God exists and, unfortunately, can become quite irritated with those who tend to belittle and demean Him and say terrible things to counter the antagonistic comments of non-believers. We do have the ability to seek forgiveness for the sin, as you have the opportunity to accept Christ, receive remission for your sins, and continue living your life for Him.
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
There is only one truth. Tolerance is a virtue for a man with no convictions.
XD40scinNC
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I get that, and there may have well been some one named Jesus. Won't be the first innocent person executed.
But the son of a supernatural god, born to a virgin, through some without the introduction of sperm?...... pure nonsense.
Then throw in the rest of the utter nonsense from your book of nonsense, it all becomes completely absurd. Women turning into pillars of salt for looking back at something, millions of species on a 450' long boat for a year, walking on water, raising from dead, etc., etc., and many many other things that are impossible.
The so called "historical facts" are vague and suspect, history is being 're-written' all the time, even for much more recent events (as recent as WWII events). Remember every-time a story is told. Historical facts are not facts, they are man's account of what they think happened, and science disagrees with much of the nonsense in religion. Every word of history written is only a single person's perspective of what transpired. Then you translate it time after time, each time with a person writing their what they think the original version said.
It is called historical revisionism is the reinterpretation of orthodox views on evidence, motivations, and decision-making processes surrounding a historical event.
Oldgrunt
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I spent over two hours last night discussing religion with two Jehovah's Witnesses. I have always looked at them as a "cult" rather than a religion because of the way they have altered the Bible to conform to their tenets (New World Translation), not conform their beliefs to the Bible. Their leaders presented their interpretations of their religion as truth, to be preferred over the Bible, which has been followed for hundreds of years. During all the years of the Bible, and the many versions, the message has remained essentially the same and is Christo-centered. I know I can not change their minds about their beliefs but, since they were at my house, I was able to present my beliefs to them in the proper context of the Bible. Did I change their minds? No, but I gave them something to think about. Even though I was unable to convince them of anything ( they consider disagreeing with them to be persecution) they left without them being offended, nor was I. I was tolerant of their beliefs and they, hopefully, of mine. I feel no need to constantly belittle them for their belief and we pass and re-pass without hostility.
You and XD have both expressed your belief that God does not exist. We all get that and thank you for your candor. Now, we can go along with our daily activities, knowing that there will be no mind changing and, consequently, no need to constantly harangue each other. However, when several people may be discussing religion, where is the necessity to interject inflammatory remarks and cursing of our God? Is that how one shows tolerance for the beliefs of others? Isn't that intolerance? Where are the critical thinking capabilities?
XD40scinNC
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The only difference between a religion and a cult?
One has attained tax exempt status, the other has not.
cult
noun
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
Farmhood
New member
Well said Oldgrunt!
(says the king of one liners)
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Except maybe for the few church services I attended as a pretty young kid, I have never attended a tax exempt church. The only thing different about the Calvary churches I have attended is that their preachers are free to talk about anything they wish from the pulpit, including who and which issues are deserving of their congregations' support (or denial of same) from a Biblical perspective. There is nothing cultish at all about a church that chooses to remain untied to government regulation. In fact, it is that exact same type of congregation that the authors of the First Amendment were all a part of, as tax exempt status for churches didn't come into being until well into the 20th Century.
Just an observation here, but the above quote seems very much to be intended to insult and ridicule religion and religious people. Why?
Blues
Farmhood
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Well Blues, not everyone understands this, Good post!
This is how we operate and our church took it to the next level. In our state we have sales tax so we never applied for exception (we pay it) because we did not want partners.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I am of the belief that it is very difficult to seek favor from government and God at the same time. An adherent to both entities is trying to serve two masters. I only engage in Christian church services with those who believe as I do that we only serve One Master. Others' mileage may vary, but I am not surprised at all to read that you and I are on the same page about it, Farmhood.
XD40scinNC
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Blue and Farm,
Does your church pay county property taxes, or are they exempt?
State sales tax is not an automatic exemption, but requires submission of paperwork to receive reimbursement for state sales tax. Works the same for volunteer fire departments which I was active in several years ago. Property tax exemptions are automatic from the county, you never receive a bill.
Blue,
Religion fits the definition of cult. The most common way to distinguish them is the numbers (followers) and tax exempt status.
Does your church pay county property taxes, or are they exempt?
State sales tax is not an automatic exemption, but requires submission of paperwork to receive reimbursement for state sales tax. Works the same for volunteer fire departments which I was active in several years ago. Property tax exemptions are automatic from the county, you never receive a bill.
Blue,
Religion fits the definition of cult. The most common way to distinguish them is the numbers (followers) and tax exempt status.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Why "poke" or indict others at all, simply for not believing as you do? Why can't you people just leave us alone? Like maybe go start an atheist thread. Would you like to guess how many Christians would invade such a thread, incessantly insulting/poking/ridiculing/indicting y'all for years on end?
XD, the churches of which I spoke previously do not pay property taxes, and are not 501(c)(3) or (4) exempt either, nor do they exempt themselves from sales taxes.
I moved less than two months ago. I have not found a church here yet, but when I do, it will either be the same as the ones in the Huntsville area that I attended, or I will study here at home. I will never be a member of a corporate church.
Blues
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