Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation

[Ringo]

How I picture you, based on your posts.... You have nothing to refute anything said, but you don't like it so here you are.....

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[XD40scinNC]

Now, I will give you one example of the proof you demand concerning the existence of Jesus. Of course there are other proofs if you would care to research them for yourself. As I said, we are satisfied.

Many have made the claim, but that in no way proves that any of them are the actual spawn of a non-existent god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus

 

[Oldgrunt]

I googled that letter. There is a bit of a dispute, even on Christian websites, to the validity of it. Some people claim to have written to the Library of Congress for verification that they indeed have it. Their response was that they didn't. So there's that. What I find odd is the the physical description of Jesus. "His golden coloured hair and His beard gave to His appearance a celestial aspect" I had always heard that he was an average looking Jew of the period. This description reminds me of someone describing the fictional picture we are used to seeing in paintings. I'm not dismissing it out-of-hand. I will continue to read into it. But it's not looking good.

If you don't want to believe in something, you will continually dispute whatever evidence is presented. You will note that the letter is preserved in Rome also, far from those who are at odds with most things Biblical. I would say that the retention of the letter by the Church of Rome does lend a lot of validity to it. Jesus, being a Jew, one would think of Him as being olive-skinned and with dark hair. However, that is not how he is portrayed in most pictures we see of Him. The most widely accepted picture is the one commissioned by a Pope of Caesar Borgia and passed off as the likeness of Jesus. I don't know what He looked like and don't really care, I only want to be with Him at the end of my journey here on earth.

At least you said you were not dismissing the letter out-of-hand which I hope means you will give it serious consideration. That is only fair.

 

[XD40scinNC]

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Nor sir, have you even attempted to refute anything, just continue to post your walls of stolen text and childish pictures.... Why is that?

 

[Oldgrunt]

Many have made the claim, but that in no way proves that any of them are the actual spawn of a non-existent god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus

XD: I sincerely hope that God will forgive you of the cursing and belittling statements you make of Him. Whether you believe in Him or not, hell will be full of others who did not believe. You can all commiserate together.

 

[XD40scinNC]

XD: I sincerely hope that God will forgive you of the cursing and belittling statements you make of Him. Whether you believe in Him or not, hell will be full of others who did not believe. You can all commiserate together.

Sliding in that pascal's wager again.... from your child like belief in fantasies. Proof you view of your god is based on irrational fears of a real SOB (oh wait that would be JC :wink

That is as meaningless as me hoping the tooth fairy doesn't get confused and take your dentures by mistake while you are soaking them in Polident.

Nor did you even attempt to address my point, claiming to be jesus does not make one the spawn of any fictional character.

 

[Ringo]

if you're going to start threads like this in a gun forum, you're just asking for it. If you wanted everyone to to only agree with you, you should have posted on a bible website.

First, let me tell you that we are in the Off Topic forum, one of many here, and open to various topics, not only guns.

Every time there is a Christian conversation (between Christians) it is the atheists who continually jump in deriding us for our beliefs, cursing God and telling us how the Bible is nothing more than a dusty old book of myths and fairy tails. Then these SAME MORONS claim that we are in their face trying to convert them, we hate them, and we won't leave them alone. With their kind of logic even being classified as a MORON is a level above their pay grade.

 

[XD40scinNC]

Every time there is a Christian conversation (between Christians) it is the atheists who continually jump in deriding us for our beliefs, cursing God and telling us how the Bible is nothing more than a dusty old book of myths and fairy tails. Then these SAME MORONS claim that we are in their face trying to convert them, we hate them, and we won't leave them alone. With their kind of logic even being classified as a MORON is a level above their pay grade.

No, but you (christians) are working at many levels to impose your rules from your bible into civil laws that effect everyone, and there my poor misguided friend is where the push back comes from, the same way you would react if islamic shira laws were imposed on your through state or federal laws. But you don't have the courage or character to acknowledge that proving just how much of a hypocrite you actually are.

 

[Ringo]

Nor sir, have you even attempted to refute anything, just continue to post your walls of stolen text and childish pictures.... Why is that?

Because there is nothing left to be said to you that has not already been said numerous times. Because you're Satan's Mindless Spawn "extraordinaire", a parasite having the same principles and propensities which characterize the very nature and essence of your father the devil. Because you are the master of blasphemous rhetoric your pathetic existence revolves around targeting the shortcomings of individuals and attacking the validity of the Holy Bible. And because you're a mindless mocker who will never go away or shut up, only continuously waste our time.

 

[SR9]

I'd never heard of those rules before. So I did what you guys don't do, I read it. They seem to be pretty good strategies. I'm not sure how they are opposite of being pro-gun.

Well, it's easy to see you fall right in line with the Left Wing Liberal Progressive Communist Democrats, if you think Saul Alinsky's Rule for Radicals are a good think. Because it is the Play-Book They all use. So, Comrade Nacelle, When do you play to rise up and take over this country? I want to buy an extra supply of ammo as a little surprise party for you and you kind.

 

[Nacelle]

Just because a group uses a strategy, doesn't mean they own it. Good strategy is good strategy. Previous playing Starcraft, I would use a Zerg Rush as the Protoss. I won a LAN party tournament that way. Don't know what that is, look it up.

 

[Oldgrunt]

Sliding in that pascal's wager again.... from your child like belief in fantasies. Proof you view of your god is based on irrational fears of a real SOB (oh wait that would be JC :wink

That is as meaningless as me hoping the tooth fairy doesn't get confused and take your dentures by mistake while you are soaking them in Polident.

Nor did you even attempt to address my point, claiming to be jesus does not make one the spawn of any fictional character.

XD: You seem to have a hangup with Pascal's Wager but you always fail to mention that he said it is better to believe in God after all. But that goes against your take on the subject. I do sincerely worry about your soul, whether you believe or not, because your words and curses of God you will hear coming back at you one day. I can truthfully say that I have never met an atheist like you before. Even those who professed to not believe in God, or were agnostic, never stooped so low as to curse God as you do. People who do not believe in the same religions, or Creator figure, as most of us do, generally do not curse the other deity figures as you do. Christians disagree with Muslims thoughts concerning Mohammed, their prophet, but do not go so far to curse Allah who is considered to be the same God which we worship. I might have general disagreement with their take on religion but I can, and do, have enough respect to not curse, or otherwise demean, their god-figure, Allah, Shiva, Buddah or whoever. You, on the other hand, seem to take particular delight in making offensive remarks against God and His people but, try as you may, you can not change our minds or belief in our God. The more you antagonize, the stronger we become. You can curse, scream, stomp your feet like a whirling dervish but you can never take away our faith.

There is only one atheist who has ever come on here and made his comments without being obnoxious.I will say that nosreme has a little more class in his atheism. He can sling his barbs, get his point across and still maintain his decorum. Good role model.

 

[XD40scinNC]

Well, it's easy to see you fall right in line with the Left Wing Liberal Progressive Communist Democrats, if you think Saul Alinsky's Rule for Radicals are a good think. Because it is the Play-Book They all use. So, Comrade Nacelle, When do you play to rise up and take over this country? I want to buy an extra supply of ammo as a little surprise party for you and you kind.

So not believing in fairy tales makes one a Left Wing Liberal Progressive Communist Democrats... that's some screwed up thinking there... but you have suffered from that most of your life ain't ya?

And threats of violence.. against someone who hasn't harmed you, and harbors no intent to harm you. This is a clear demonstration of the danger of fanatical religious beliefs in society.

 

[XD40scinNC]

XD: You seem to have a hangup with Pascal's Wager but you always fail to mention that he said it is better to believe in God after all. But that goes against your take on the subject. I do sincerely worry about your soul, whether you believe or not, because your words and curses of God you will hear coming back at you one day.

You are serious confused my tottering old friend, claiming I keep pointing out your "you're gonna be sorry" (pascal's wager) nonsense, and doing so in the very same breath.... No I am not worried and I sure as hell ain't going to pretend to kowtow to the murderous bastard you worship out of fear.

And no I won't hear them coming back at me..... it's a fairy tale, just not my fairy tale.

 

[Stan45]

Note sure about the letter.
Most of the images we have of Jesus today are probably not accurate. Jesus was a Jew, so He likely had dark skin, dark eyes, and dark hair.

 

[Ringo]

It is a well known fact that there are many who are anti-religious today and take exception to any mention of religion, in any context. I agree that there have been too many discussions, back and forth, but there is a simple way to reduce the problem. Since this is an Off Topic forum, it is fair game for any subject. For quite a number of us, religion has been a subject we like to discuss and, by the rules of the forum, we have every right to do so, just as others have the ability to interject their comments on subjects of their own choosing. I do enjoy reading some posts but, if the subject doesn't interest me, I pass it over, without comment. There are those, however, who become incensed over the mention of religion and insist on making derogatory comments and cursing of God, the Bible and Christians in general. If you don't like religion, we get it and would much prefer to not have a donnybrook each time one of us comments. When someone makes hateful comments about the Lord and our particular beliefs, we, unfortunately, do respond in kind. When we are constantly criticized for our beliefs, those doing the criticizing are attempting to deprive us of the same right to post on here as they do about their topics of choice. If I might suggest, and assuming that what I say can be understood by the biggest offenders on both sides of these posts, if you don't like religion, pass over the posts and leave us alone. If an atheist wants to post something supporting atheistic beliefs (or lack of belief), I will most assuredly pass over it without comment. If we all could make that decision, there shouldn't be any heartburn. If we can show that courtesy to atheists, shouldn't we be able to expect the same courtesy? There are two sides to this problem!

I disagree with the statement that the "revival tent nonsense" has killed this particular forum. The most destructive part is the incessant derogatory comments about religion by non-believers. It is the non-believing contingent that insists on constantly stirring up dissension against every post concerning religion and, to our shame, we have responded similarly. We can all change it if we try.

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[Ringo]

. As you said, the Bible does reference actual events. Those actual events and the references to Jesus as our Savior, are sufficient for us and, through faith, we try to live our lives according to His teachings and to be with Him in the afterlife. If you don't believe and accept Jesus as your Savior, that is your decision. I don't know what you expect after your death but I do hope God will have mercy on your soul.

Amen OG.

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[SR9]

This is most likely what Jesus looked like. The artist rendering was done by a forensic artist as described by 2 people after "out of body experiences" while being "dead" on hospital operating table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qevxaaHlQY

 

[XD40scinNC]

Cute that you keep using the word division. Christianity as a group are the most divided bunch. You all can't even decide amongst yourself what you believe. When Catholics, Baptists, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Protestant, Pentecostal, Episcopalian, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Evangelical, Seventh-Day Adventist, Church of the Nazareth, Mennonite, Quaker, Christian Science get together as a single group, get back to me about me about being a divider.

Heck, they even squabble over what their fictional superhero's look like.

This is most likely what Jesus looked like. The artist rendering was done by a forensic artist as described by 2 people after "out of body experiences" while being "dead" on hospital operating table.

Here is another question for believers.... what religion is your god?
Choose one:

• Catholics
• Baptists
• Methodist
• Lutheran
• Presbyterian
• Protestant
• Pentecostal
• Episcopalian
• Mormon
• Jehovah's Witness
• Evangelical
• Seventh-Day Adventist
• Church of the Nazareth
• Mennonite
• Quaker
• Christian Science
• Other __________

I have heard a Pentecostal mouthpiece (preacher) scream at baptists that they were worshiping the wrong god and going the hell if they didn't convert to 'his' religion.

 

[XD40scinNC]

I don't know what you expect after your death but I do hope God will have mercy on your soul.

OBTW, I have made that very clear in previous posts.... nothing... You, I, and the every other living thing on this planet all face the same end. Doesn't matter if it is the most devote believer or the yellow jackets I dispatched yesterday.... nothing follows. No heaven, no hell, nothing, nada, zip, zilch follows..

We are not special, we like every other living thing in the universe simply cease to exist.... Your and my consciousness or self-awareness or what ever you want to call it dies when our brain ceases to function.

That is reality, religion is a crutch for those that can't/won't accept reality.