Stengun
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Look, more idiotic responses from the Forum Idiot.
No one commented on rifle vs. handgun retard.
I comment was in response to the OPs title.
Sure a lot of women and girly men prefer a 9mm but I for one will pass and after the '86 Miami Shootout, which happened while I was on AD and was carrying a handgun for a living and BEFORE girlybob was born, so did the FBI.
Like I posted earlier, at lest 1 9mm was used in the Shootout with disappointing results and as a result the FBI ruled out the 9mm an NEVER gave it a second glance.
Hey girlybob! Just how many people have you shot with a 9mm that in your words "I trust 9x19 with my life and I in no way feel under-gunned, "?
Just curious retard.
girlybob said "I'd put what I got up against almost anybody in a gunfight. As I like to ask people, "Do you gun, bro?"... if not, you should start.
More words of wisdom from a Keyboard Kommando!!
What a retarded idiot! Challenging people to a gunfight on an internet gun forum.
What a retard! I would block him but I would miss out on his "Words of Wisdom!"
girlybob, grow up.
Paul
P.S. What's the deal with "bro'"? Are you like a 13yo wannabe gang banger or something?
Hey look, another ignorant post by Paul.
Anyway, Paul does correctly reference the 1986 FBI Miami shootout as the birthplace of the .40 S&W, as I'm sure we all know. First came the 10mm but, too many agents couldn't handle the caliber effectively so the .40 S&W was developed as a compromise. I personally don't care for .40 and really see no good reason to own one. However, it is a well known fact that modern 9x19 defensive ammo is exceptional and routinely competes directly with its larger counterparts, despite the ignorant comments made by our resident buffoon up there, Sten. Now, before we move any further I'd like to point to the '86 shootout again and say that the debate over handgun caliber that rages on to this day is completely missing the mark at why/how that gunfight went so badly. The absolute deciding factor was that the FBI brought handguns to a rifle fight. The agents scored hits, yes, they even got at least one hit in the form of .357 magnum at about 6 feet but the suspects kept fighting regardless. So, back to the rifle thing... the Mini-14 provided stand-off capability to the criminals, it not only allowed them to very effectively reach through the vehicles and shatter forearms but it also prevented the FBI agents from doing one of the most important things in a street gunfight.... close the distance. The bad guys took numerous hits from .38Spl, 9x19, .357 magnum and 00 buckshot but continued to fight long enough to nearly wipe out the agents and drive away. Know though, both suspects had non-survivable wounds and would have died rather shortly even w/o the final fvck you rounds pumped into them point blank.
Okay, so again... the mark has been constantly missed when examining the '86 shootout, even though in after action reports and interviews you would be hard-pressed to find any of the surviving agents specifically comment on how they wish they had a different handgun... they wished they had entered the gunfight differently, hadn't made so many small mistakes and had some "patrol rifles" but, the caliber of their handguns wasn't the deciding factor. The lesson to be learned from that shootout, never bring a handgun to a rifle fight. IMO, 10mm and .40 S&W were solutions with no problem (much like 300 AAC but, I digress). Perhaps the argument could be made, sorta, that the old .40 did what modern 9x19 does now... So, with that line of thinking it makes a lot of sense for LE departments to keep or switch back to the 9x19.
Gunfights come down to luck, tactics and training... everything else that people dream up as the reason why somebody won or lost is compensation in the wrong area. I trust 9x19 with my life and I in no way feel under-gunned, I'd put what I got up against almost anybody in a gunfight. As I like to ask people, "Do you gun, bro?"... if not, you should start.
Look, more idiotic responses from the Forum Idiot.
No one commented on rifle vs. handgun retard.
I comment was in response to the OPs title.
Sure a lot of women and girly men prefer a 9mm but I for one will pass and after the '86 Miami Shootout, which happened while I was on AD and was carrying a handgun for a living and BEFORE girlybob was born, so did the FBI.
Like I posted earlier, at lest 1 9mm was used in the Shootout with disappointing results and as a result the FBI ruled out the 9mm an NEVER gave it a second glance.
Hey girlybob! Just how many people have you shot with a 9mm that in your words "I trust 9x19 with my life and I in no way feel under-gunned, "?
Just curious retard.
girlybob said "I'd put what I got up against almost anybody in a gunfight. As I like to ask people, "Do you gun, bro?"... if not, you should start.
More words of wisdom from a Keyboard Kommando!!
What a retarded idiot! Challenging people to a gunfight on an internet gun forum.
What a retard! I would block him but I would miss out on his "Words of Wisdom!"
girlybob, grow up.
Paul
P.S. What's the deal with "bro'"? Are you like a 13yo wannabe gang banger or something?