Rolling Stone Article - I guess according to them all guns are dangerous...

Firefighterchen said:
Sure but what does squirt guns have to do rolling stones?

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I am making the argument that the action and/or intent is not the only thing that counts. Pointing a loaded gun is different than pointing a squirt gun, even though the action is the same, because the object changed. Clearly some here don't like to use the word dangerous, but there should be some way to show the difference between the capability of two objects. If it is ONLY the action that is dangerous, then pointing a squirt gun has to be as dangerous as pointing a loaded gun. Obviously that's not the case.
 
aacx22 said:
I am making the argument that the action and/or intent is not the only thing that counts. Pointing a loaded gun is different than pointing a squirt gun, even though the action is the same, because the object changed. Clearly some here don't like to use the word dangerous, but there should be some way to show the difference between the capability of two objects. If it is ONLY the action that is dangerous, then pointing a squirt gun has to be as dangerous as pointing a loaded gun. Obviously that's not the case.
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Pulling a squirt gun on someone can get you killed.

Who isn't using the word dangerous?

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Firefighterchen said:
Pulling a squirt gun on someone can get you killed.

Who isn't using the word dangerous?

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That is irrelevant to my point. Leave the police out of it. Since you avoided commenting on my actual point, I'll repeat it.

Pointing a loaded gun is different than pointing a squirt gun, even though the action is the same, because the object changed. Clearly some here don't like to use the word dangerous, but there should be some way to show the difference between the capability of two objects. If it is ONLY the action that is dangerous, then pointing a squirt gun has to be as dangerous as pointing a loaded gun. Obviously that's not the case.

So how would you differentiate between the nature of a squirt gun and an actual firearm, with relation to each being pointed at someone?
 
aacx22 said:
That is irrelevant to my point. Leave the police out of it. Since you avoided commenting on my actual point, I'll repeat it.

Pointing a loaded gun is different than pointing a squirt gun, even though the action is the same, because the object changed. Clearly some here don't like to use the word dangerous, but there should be some way to show the difference between the capability of two objects. If it is ONLY the action that is dangerous, then pointing a squirt gun has to be as dangerous as pointing a loaded gun. Obviously that's not the case.

So how would you differentiate between the nature of a squirt gun and an actual firearm, with relation to each being pointed at someone?
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It's irrelevant because it proves no matter what the object, the action the person makes with it is dangerous? Your entire argument is irrelevant.

Who's not using the word dangerous?

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Don't forget about golf. Your trusting many people on the course with numerous "weapons" neatly contained in their bag running around all day swinging them wildly. I've seen some rather irrate golfers who lost their balls too... We're so adamant about the restrictions on firearms yet golfers walk around oblivious to the balls sailing through the air at high rates of speed all around them.

I've got an idea! Let's ban golf!
 
Is there any particular reason that it's okay to leave your 5 year old alone with a squirt gun, but its not okay to leave them alone with a loaded gun? Just curious.
 
aacx22 said:
Is there any particular reason that it's okay to leave your 5 year old alone with a squirt gun, but its not okay to leave them alone with a loaded gun? Just curious.
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It all depends on what is loaded in said squirt gun. I know of some liquids that would kill you just from contact with that liquid. So again, it takes a human to make an inanimate object dangerous. And a squirt gun filled with water can kill.
 
aacx22 said:
I don't either. Why don't you?
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Because the action of leaving my kid or firearm unattended is dangerous, and the action of pointing a squirt gun at people is dangerous. The squirt gun itself is not dangerous, and neither is the firearm.

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Firefighterchen said:
Because the action of leaving my kid or firearm unattended is dangerous, and the action of pointing a squirt gun at people is dangerous. The squirt gun itself is not dangerous, and neither is the firearm.

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Why is the action of leaving a child alone with a firearm dangerous? You've already said that the firearm is not dangerous. You can obviously perform the exact same action, leaving a child alone with the squirtgun safely.
 
aacx22 said:
Why is the action of leaving a child alone with a firearm dangerous? You've already said that the firearm is not dangerous. You can obviously perform the exact same action, leaving a child alone with the squirtgun safely.
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How many times do we have to go in circles?

Leaving the child alone is dangerous, period.

Leaving the child alone with a squirt gun is dangerous.

Leaving the child alone with a firearm is dangerous.

All these scenarios are dangerous, because it took a bad parent to leave their child alone, and the childs actions with said objects would be dangerous. Without human intervention, neither objects pose any danger.

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Firefighterchen said:
How many times do we have to go in circles?

Leaving the child alone is dangerous, period.

Leaving the child alone with a squirt gun is dangerous.

Leaving the child alone with a firearm is dangerous.

All these scenarios are dangerous, because it took a bad parent to leave their child alone, and the childs actions with said objects would be dangerous. Without human intervention, neither objects pose any danger.

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We're not going in circles. We are making progress. Did you keep your child sleeping in your room until he (or she) turned 18? Did your child ever, even once, play in a room you were not watching? With regard to the last sentence... irrelevant because once again, no one is talking about an object that is not interacted with by humans.
 
Firefighterchen said:
Because the action of leaving my kid or firearm unattended is dangerous, and the action of pointing a squirt gun at people is dangerous. The squirt gun itself is not dangerous, and neither is the firearm.

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That's where the split occurs.
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You teach a kid to not point anything at another person, Not a toy, a cap gun, a squirt gun, BB gun, Airsoft, etc. That is pounded into instructors' heads during their certification. I bought my nephews airsoft for Christmas last year. Some time later I found out they play war and shoot at each other. No more Airsoft gifts. I spend my time teaching people to never point at anything you're not willing to destroy. Not any kind of gun. Even my blue guns are pointed in a safe direction during class... as an example. They can have all the toy guns they want. But they may not point anything at each other. When I was a kid we played combat in elementary school. When the principal came to check on us we shot him. He laughed, spun and fell dead as if we had got him. Got up and laughed. In a world where eating a pop-tart into the shape of a gun can get you expelled????????
 
BC1 said:
That's where the split occurs.
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You teach a kid to not point anything at another person, Not a toy, a cap gun, a squirt gun, BB gun, Airsoft, etc. That is pounded into instructors' heads during their certification. I bought my nephews airsoft for Christmas last year. Some time later I found out they play war and shoot at each other. No more Airsoft gifts. I spend my time teaching people to never point at anything you're not willing to destroy. Not any kind of gun. Even my blue guns are pointed in a safe direction during class... as an example. They can have all the toy guns they want. But they may not point anything at each other. When I was a kid we played combat in elementary school. When the principal came to check on us we shot him. He laughed, spun and fell dead as if we had got him. Got up and laughed. In a world where eating a pop-tart into the shape of a gun can get you expelled????????
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Exactly. The blue gun is not a dangerous object, but pointing it at someone is a dangerous action. Same with air soft, squirt guns, etc etc.

aacx22 said:
We're not going in circles. We are making progress. Did you keep your child sleeping in your room until he (or she) turned 18? Did your child ever, even once, play in a room you were not watching? With regard to the last sentence... irrelevant because once again, no one is talking about an object that is not interacted with by humans.
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Another circle...

My son still sleeps in my room...Because he is 4 months old. He has not been in a room without my wife or I present. He will not be left alone with any kind of gun because he could use it dangerously. A firearm doesn't use itself, a person does.

BC1 sums this up nicely above.

The object not being dangerous when it's left alone is relevant, as it shows the only thing that changes between an inanimate object and an object used dangerously...is the human intervention.



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A firearm and a squirt gun are completely different. Squirt gun are for squirting each other on a hot day. This thread has officially been derailed.

You teach to never point a firearm at something you are not willing to destroy. How in the hell is a squirt gun dangerous?
 
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