One in chamber? Yes / No

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cluznar said:
XD40scinNC The guy in that video obviously did not have good enough training. First he had to rack the slide, then he didn't realize that he needs to shoot until the threat is ended. He seemed like he was more afraid of the gun than the bad guys. He maybe should have had a revolver so he could just grab it and start shooting. But he needed better training, you have to be decisive once you decide to use a gun. Those bad guys could see he didn't know what he was doing so they charged him and took his life. He most likely would have been better off letting them rob him and not touching the gun. Big lesson to be learned there.
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When someone starts shooting at you, or even sticks a gun in your face, all bets are off, and any additional task other than aiming and pulling the trigger can fail, especially when intense fear and adrenalin take control of your mind and muscles. As a 30 year firefighter I have seen and experienced these effects first hand (in fires, not gun fights). Yes training does help tremendously, but it only allows a person to partially compensate and control, the rest is philology beyond anyone total control.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda are all opinion, but clearly in the heat of the moment, not having a round in the chamber combined with the inability to rack the slide in the moment proved fatal.

Perhaps he should not have attempted to draw, but he did, a round was not chambered, and he's dead.
 
XD40scinNC said:
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Looks like this guy tries to rack the slide 3 or 4 times without chambering a round, and dies without firing a shot, and he had both hands free.

Home defense and carry guns are chambered.
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Excellent post!

I have seen this video clip before....
It's a perfect example of why you should ALWAY'S keep your self defense firearm LOCKED & LOADED.
 
I once had a trained attack dog scare the bejus out of me. I was walking my own attack dog, for the Army. When that thing charged, the 1911 "grew out of my wrist", it seemed. I was not supposed to have even a mag in the gun, but i did. I had it cocked and locked, on an empty chamber, due to my constant fast draw practice. I had practiced racking back the slide as part of the draw, sometimes, and I did so on this occasion. Because my dog was leashed to my left wrist, I would have to fire a 1 handed point shot. On the odd chance that Dusty might obey, I screamed "NO' as I was taking up the trigger slack. he hit the end of a 15 kennel chain and I did not have to fire. he was not supposed to be off the leash at all in that nuke missile area. Deeds used to tie him with the leather leash and I was always worried that he'd bite thru the leash and be loose. When he took more than 2 steps, I KNEW he was unleashed. I was using a thumbsnap, non regulation rig, by Bianchi, and did all the draw, slide racking, etc, before a charging dog covered 10 ft. :-)
 
thru said:
I once had a trained attack dog scare the bejus out of me. I was walking my own attack dog, for the Army. When that thing charged, the 1911 "grew out of my wrist", it seemed. I was not supposed to have even a mag in the gun, but i did. I had it cocked and locked, on an empty chamber, due to my constant fast draw practice. I had practiced racking back the slide as part of the draw, sometimes, and I did so on this occasion. Because my dog was leashed to my left wrist, I would have to fire a 1 handed point shot. On the odd chance that Dusty might obey, I screamed "NO' as I was taking up the trigger slack. he hit the end of a 15 kennel chain and I did not have to fire. he was not supposed to be off the leash at all in that nuke missile area. Deeds used to tie him with the leather leash and I was always worried that he'd bite thru the leash and be loose. When he took more than 2 steps, I KNEW he was unleashed. I was using a thumbsnap, non regulation rig, by Bianchi, and did all the draw, slide racking, etc, before a charging dog covered 10 ft. :-)
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Congratulations.
 
For the first few months of carrying concealed, I did not. But I think carrying one in the chamber just makes sense. You truly understand that you're carrying a gun, and you respect the privilege of carrying so much more than you do without one in the chamber.
 
of course it makes sense. So does being really fast with it and also being skilled at hand to hand. but how many ARE such? I think that both should be a requirment for voting, for having your contracts enforced, anything paid for with taxes. If you can't even be bothered to learn to do the most basic things in life, WHY should you benefit from society?
 
thru said:
of course it makes sense. So does being really fast with it and also being skilled at hand to hand. but how many ARE such? I think that both should be a requirment for voting, for having your contracts enforced, anything paid for with taxes. If you can't even be bothered to learn to do the most basic things in life, WHY should you benefit from society?
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What are you even talking about? You went from talking about being fast with your gun to talking about voting, enforcing contracts, and having stuff paid for with taxes? What does one thing have to do with another?
 
I would agree with one in the chamber, however in my opinion the mechanical safety should be on and you should train to flip your safety off as part of your draw. The reason for this is if your safety somehow ends up in the safe position and you have not trained to take it off you will likely do one of a few things when engaging a target 1) continue to attempt to fire the weapon with nothing happening, 2) look at your gun with a confused look 3) initiate an immediate action. These are the three most common things I see trainees do on the range when the M9 safety is engaged and the gun doesn't go bang. I myself have from time to time had to switch from the Sig M11 which has no mechanical safety to the Beretta M9 which has one and have had to go back and retrain myself to flip that mechanical safety. I have a strong distaste for the M9.
 
so you can't follow the sentence? I said that being able to defend yourself well SHOULD be a requirement for getting anything that's paid for with other people's money. What's hard to figure out about that?
 
thru said:
so you can't follow the sentence? I said that being able to defend yourself well SHOULD be a requirement for getting anything that's paid for with other people's money. What's hard to figure out about that?
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You do realize that by the time you reach Social Security age, a lot of those individuals can't hardly walk on their own. You expect them to pass some sort of self defense test to keep getting Social Security? People in nursing homes getting Medicare and Medicaid don't even know they're in the world sometimes. Them too huh?

So in all your training and life experience, you never learned one of life's most essential lessons? "It's better to be thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
 
mappow said:
Better sign up for MaoBama Care bud.....ya gonna need it walking around with a chambered round and no safety on. I'd retain a good CD lawyer as well.
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I carry one in the chamber too with the safety off.

Xds has only passive safeties.

Jericho has a decocker safety. (D.A./S.A.)

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Not beating a dead dog here, but ya ever think what that "safety' is there for? Any and all carry as you wish, be safe or not. JMHO you use what is supplied by the platform you're shooting. I prefer a 1911A1 Springfield. SAFE but cocked & locked is in a ready condition. IMHO nothing else is in a safe condition.
 
I always carry one in the chamber. If you follow the rule of 21, you know there is no time to draw, rack, aim and fire before you're toast. I do use a Serpa holster that locks the gun in and covers the trigger and I practice drawing and presenting...unloaded or with snap caps, of course. I also use a blue gun to keep the wear down.
 
Hwbjr said:
I always carry one in the chamber. If you follow the rule of 21, you know there is no time to draw, rack, aim and fire before you're toast. I do use a Serpa holster that locks the gun in and covers the trigger and I practice drawing and presenting...unloaded or with snap caps, of course. I also use a blue gun to keep the wear down.
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You obviously haven't met thru. He can go buy a gun, fill out all the paperwork, buy bullets, load the magazines, put a magazine in the gun, put the gun in the holster, THEN draw the gun back out, rack the slide, aim, and finally get a shot off all in less time than an attacker could cover 21ft with a knife. I'll tell ya it's just damn near amazing.
 
mappow said:
Not beating a dead dog here, but ya ever think what that "safety' is there for? Any and all carry as you wish, be safe or not. JMHO you use what is supplied by the platform you're shooting. I prefer a 1911A1 Springfield. SAFE but cocked & locked is in a ready condition. IMHO nothing else is in a safe condition.
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It just depends on the gun. If I'm carrying a gun with a heavy double action trigger, I don't use the safety. I figure it's no different than guns that don't have safeties at all. A single action gun though, hell yeah I got the safety on!
 
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