One in chamber? Yes / No

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Looks like this guy tries to rack the slide 3 or 4 times without chambering a round, and dies without firing a shot, and he had both hands free.

Home defense and carry guns are chambered.
 
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Looks like this guy tries to rack the slide 3 or 4 times without chambering a round, and dies without firing a shot, and he had both hands free.

Home defense and carry guns are chambered.
Another interesting thing I've learned recently is that when you do mag changes, you should never train to chamber the round with the slide release. I found this interesting because I had a guy that I met because he wanted to buy a Kel Tec PF9 that I had put on armslist and when he was fooling around with the gun he decided that he didn't want it because the slide release was too hard to push to drop the slide. He argued that because you may not always have your second hand free, you should never depend on being able to drop the slide by pulling back on it. Well our training captain was showing us the drills they do and was showing us training videos and they were telling us how any firearms trainer worth their salt will never tell you to use the slide release because using your thumb to press that release is a fine motor function that you will loose in an intense adrenaline situation. They then humored the argument of not having your second hand free and were able to show us multiple ways that were very easy to drop the slide. I found all that interesting since it almost contradicts what most CWP permit instructors and self defense instructors teach.
 
Another interesting thing I've learned recently is that when you do mag changes, you should never train to chamber the round with the slide release. I found this interesting because I had a guy that I met because he wanted to buy a Kel Tec PF9 that I had put on armslist and when he was fooling around with the gun he decided that he didn't want it because the slide release was too hard to push to drop the slide. He argued that because you may not always have your second hand free, you should never depend on being able to drop the slide by pulling back on it. Well our training captain was showing us the drills they do and was showing us training videos and they were telling us how any firearms trainer worth their salt will never tell you to use the slide release because using your thumb to press that release is a fine motor function that you will loose in an intense adrenaline situation. They then humored the argument of not having your second hand free and were able to show us multiple ways that were very easy to drop the slide. I found all that interesting since it almost contradicts what most CWP permit instructors and self defense instructors teach.

The guy you met is ignorant on how a gun functions and how to rack the slide with only one arm operable. There are various techniques for one armed racking. It can be done against a belt, in between your upper and lower leg behind the knee, against your boot, etc. Anyone carrying a semi-auto should learn at least one technique well to rack a slide with only one hand in case their other one gets put out of commission.
 
Another interesting thing I've learned recently is that when you do mag changes, you should never train to chamber the round with the slide release. I found this interesting because I had a guy that I met because he wanted to buy a Kel Tec PF9 that I had put on armslist and when he was fooling around with the gun he decided that he didn't want it because the slide release was too hard to push to drop the slide.

My training was always 'rack the slide,' never really thought about any other way but **ALWAYS** have one in the chamber and always use support hand to move the slide. Works well and still think proper carry technique.
 
The guy you met is ignorant on how a gun functions and how to rack the slide with only one arm operable. There are various techniques for one armed racking. It can be done against a belt, in between your upper and lower leg behind the knee, against your boot, etc. Anyone carrying a semi-auto should learn at least one technique well to rack a slide with only one hand in case their other one gets put out of commission.
Oh he most definitely was. I had been taught to rack the slide as well, but I wasn't taught that it was THE way to do it. I had always considered other options. I had also never been shown the other methods for racking the slide with one hand. My only issue with that line of thought is, if you're assuming your support arm is injured enough that you can't give the slide a slight tug to chamber a round, then how exactly are you able to get a spare mag which is probably on your support hand side out of its holster and over to the gun?
 
I learned from the start to rack the slide. It is also a lot easier, as the thumb release can be a PIA (or thumb) on some guns.

I carry chambered because a gun that is not ready to fire is a 3" club. Unless there is a malfunction while shooting (stove pipe, etc) there is no need to rack (full stroke) but only bump it on reload.
 
Oh he most definitely was. I had been taught to rack the slide as well, but I wasn't taught that it was THE way to do it. I had always considered other options. I had also never been shown the other methods for racking the slide with one hand. My only issue with that line of thought is, if you're assuming your support arm is injured enough that you can't give the slide a slight tug to chamber a round, then how exactly are you able to get a spare mag which is probably on your support hand side out of its holster and over to the gun?

Drop the mag (one handed)
Hold the gun upside down facing down between your knees.
Grab the mag with the one good hand left and place it in the mag well that is now face up.
Grab the gun and perform your one-handed racking technique.

This is easier done on your knees, and then using the heel of your boot to rack the slide, but there are various ways to accomplish this task. I recommend anyone to become familiar with how to do this since you never know what might happen.
 
If you must carry a semi-auto and fret about having a round in the chamber, then consider getting a Detective Special for a BUG. All six chambers can be kept loaded safely, just draw and shoot.
 
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I recommend one of these as a BUG to whatever semi-auto pistol you carry. You can safely carry these with all six chambers loaded and you only have to draw and shoot.
 
XD40scinNC The guy in that video obviously did not have good enough training. First he had to rack the slide, then he didn't realize that he needs to shoot until the threat is ended. He seemed like he was more afraid of the gun than the bad guys. He maybe should have had a revolver so he could just grab it and start shooting. But he needed better training, you have to be decisive once you decide to use a gun. Those bad guys could see he didn't know what he was doing so they charged him and took his life. He most likely would have been better off letting them rob him and not touching the gun. Big lesson to be learned there.
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Looks like this guy tries to rack the slide 3 or 4 times without chambering a round, and dies without firing a shot, and he had both hands free.

Home defense and carry guns are chambered.
All the officers at our SO are taught to practice putting yourself in different "stages" or "codes" as you go throughout your day, and I think this applies to anyone who is carrying a weapon as well (and possibly even if you aren't). "Code White" is what you are in when you are completely relaxed, maybe at home watching tv or whatever. Officers are taught that any time they put anything on that would identify them as a police officer, they need to automatically go to "Code Yellow". This is a slightly more heightened sense of awareness where you are more observant to what is going on around you. Let's say you get a call and you're on your way to that call...you need to go to "Code Orange". This is a degree of self awareness slightly above Code Yellow where you are observant of everything going on around you and completely ready for the unexpected. Once you have been engaged, either with a gun, knife, or whatever else, then that is "Code Red"...the adrenaline phase. Now, what appears to have happened to this guy is what they call a "Code Black". Code Black is the "tactical shutdown" phase. When you go from a completely relaxed frame of mind then your brain is suddenly overloaded with adrenaline and all this new information as to what is going on around you, it cannot handle the sudden shock of information and it just shuts down. People react differently in Code Black. Most people simply go into shock and cannot move or speak. This guy apparently was able to move, however he was in such a state of panic that he didn't know what he was doing. This is why I think that anytime you are out in public, should always be in a Code Yellow at least.

When I first hear this, I was thinking it was a bunch of bull. I've talked to 4 officers over the last month that have all testified as to how effective this is because they have all gone into Code Black before in certain situations and since they have put this into practice they have been in several similar situations and were able to handle the situation calmly and smoothly.
 
who says that you will never have the option to chamber a rd? I have let many people start first (ccw belt rig) when I was chamber empty, and still beat them to the hit at 5 yds, on the chest. Most people are VERY slow for a ccw draw and hit, over 2 seconds. A skilled man is twice that fast, and cycling the slide only slows down the real pistolero by 1/2 second. A lot depends upon the situation and the people involved. If I am starting with my hand on the gun (in a front pants pocket rig) I can draw, wrack the slide and hit as fast, on the chest at 10 ft, as anyone can from a concealed belt rig, under a shirt, starting hands at sides. Not that I carry chamber empty, you understand. Just pointing out that it's incorrect to say that it "just cant be done".
 
who says that you will never have the option to chamber a rd? I have let many people start first (ccw belt rig) when I was chamber empty, and still beat them to the hit at 5 yds, on the chest. Most people are VERY slow for a ccw draw and hit, over 2 seconds. A skilled man is twice that fast, and cycling the slide only slows down the real pistolero by 1/2 second. A lot depends upon the situation and the people involved. If I am starting with my hand on the gun (in a front pants pocket rig) I can draw, wrack the slide and hit as fast, on the chest at 10 ft, as anyone can from a concealed belt rig, under a shirt, starting hands at sides. Not that I carry chamber empty, you understand. Just pointing out that it's incorrect to say that it "just cant be done".
I don't think anyone here has said it can't be done. I must ask though, did you do this on the range or did you do it in an actual life or death situation? I'm guessing at a range. Cause when stress is involved, those numbers don't mean a damn thing.
 
if you can't even do it on the range, how can you expect to do it under stress, hmm? 2 x, it was while on night guard dog duty in the army, openly worn, non-issue rig, overseas. thumbsnap bianchi, as a matter of fact. We werent supposed to even have a mag in the pistol, but i did anyway, and carried chamber empty, but cocked and locked, so that I could practice my draw and dryfire. You apparently dont have a clue as to what great things humans can train themselves to achieve, with audiences watching, even. here is starter info for you. follow the other links and be amazed.
Remember that just because YOU can't do something, does not mean that others can do it, quite handily. You probably can't play concert level piano, for instance.
 
if you can't even do it on the range, how can you expect to do it under stress, hmm? 2 x, it was while on night guard dog duty in the army, openly worn, non-issue rig, overseas. thumbsnap bianchi, as a matter of fact. We werent supposed to even have a mag in the pistol, but i did anyway, and carried chamber empty, but cocked and locked, so that I could practice my draw and dryfire. You apparently dont have a clue as to what great things humans can train themselves to achieve, with audiences watching, even. here is starter info for you. follow the other links and be amazed.
Remember that just because YOU can't do something, does not mean that others can do it, quite handily. You probably can't play concert level piano, for instance.
Again, no one here said it can't be done, and no one here has said anything against practicing it at the range. What we are arguing is that when your life is on the line, why not stack ALL the cards in your favor. Training at something doesn't give you a guarantee that you'll be able to execute it perfectly in the real life situation. Give you better odds...yes. But I'd rather eliminate those odds altogether by just going ahead and putting one in the chamber.
 
If you must carry a semi-auto and fret about having a round in the chamber, then consider getting a Detective Special for a BUG. All six chambers can be kept loaded safely, just draw and shoot.

A semi auto pistol can also be carried safely with one in the chamber, just keep the booger hook off the bang switch.

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At 10 feet an attacker can reach you in less than 2 seconds. You'd barely have time to draw and shoot and absolutely no time to draw, rack and shoot. Having one in the pipe is possibly a life saving time saver. Just my $0.02 worth.
 
My father-in-law was in a mall in Florida once when a police officer asked him if he was carrying concealed. He said he was. The officer asked if he had a round chambered. He said he did not. The officer commented, "Doesn't do much good without a round in the chamber." Ever since then he has always carried with a round chambered (as do I).
 
Yes to both, assuming that the striker-fired sd40 has a good holster that will prevent the trigger movement before YOU move the trigger!

I'm a little less worried about the lcp in this regard due to its double action only trigger pull.
 
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