McCain - Palin, your true feelings


If Obama is too young, then Kennedy was too young. Seriously, I won't vote for any of them. You can't make me! I will crawl under a mushroom and be fed... well, you know, B4 I vote for any of them! I'm writing in my candidate! Is Pat Paulson still in the running? What about Alfred E. Newman?



Kennedy was too young. I'm glad that he wasn't around long enough to do more damage. Ted's still around, in poor health and he's STILL causing problems.

I would highly suggest against writing in a candidate. At this point there's nobody around that will make a "write in " situation plausible.

Be very careful what you wish for.....




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I would never vote for anyone who is against all things that I am for and for all things that I am against!

Namely Obama. An eloquent speaker does not a President make!

Sorry, gotta go Guys and read by Bible and clean my Glock .40 and 686P!
 
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Leaving Mass, Posts like yours are the reason this forum is so lame most of the time. Your comments are rude and uninformed. Also, try spell check.


Thanks for showing your imbecility


lets see,
1: You didn't respond with anything relating to the topic

2: You didn't point out any spelling error = you're the dumb @ss
go troll somewhere else
 
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And some would say that Joe Paterno is to old to coach, maybe but still doing it and is doing a heck of a great job. some say Brett Farve should have stayed in retirement but is still better than most quarterbacks in NFL. Palin to young, McCain to old I don't think so. I'm not voting for Biden or Palin I'm voting for the President's job first VP second, Joe Bidens record well speaks for it self. I do not always vote for a certain party just who I think will do the best job, and like some not always right but at least I vote.

Comparing the presidency to football ?

SMH

When a football team loses, no nation suffers


...... As for Palin, she may not be a great public speaker but neither is Bush. ..

And look at the mess Bush has us in now.....compare
 
And look at the mess Bush has us in now.....compare

May want to research where a lot of that mess originated. The financial crisis is a result of decisions made under Clinton. Remember also the president doesn't have omnipotent power and the Democratic controlled Congress/ Senate made many of these decisions.
 
It is amazing to me that one would consider that we are only looking at this from one issue, specifically 2nd Amendment. Of course this is a gun forum, and that is certainly going to be in the forefront, but how is it that you assume that you know we are not looking at other issues.

We have debated the issue of McCain/Obama on other threads, and most have made it clear that we are not that thrilled about either choice. However, I will never vote for someone that I disagree with about 95% of the time, and that is Obama.

I also find it quite ridiculous that people will continually bring up Palin's lack of experience and ignore the fact that Obama is a come out of nowhere candidate. He has not even completed one term as a senator. He has not authored one piece of legislation since taking office and I have yet to see anyone tell us one major decision he has made or accomplishments attached to his resume.

He is the most dangerous Presidential candidate in the history of this country and it seems like a majority of the people are going to display their imbecility:haha: when voting for him.
 
May want to research where a lot of that mess originated. The financial crisis is a result of decisions made under Clinton. Remember also the president doesn't have omnipotent power and the Democratic controlled Congress/ Senate made many of these decisions.

I beg to differ. The conditions that led to the housing boom and subsequent bust. all happened under Bush, not Clinton
 
The housing bust is really no one's fault, specifically. It's a confluence of factors. My following ideas on the subject are not meant to insult any particular groups, but just to state the facts.

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was a piece of legislation from the 1970s that encouraged investment in poor areas. It was amended several times since then. Under Clinton, it was changed in 1995 to make it easier for poor people to get more credit in their names. Banks were required to pay more attention to places that they otherwise had refused to do business in, and had to give some sort of loan options to people in those areas.

Now this all sprang from good intentions. This was meant to be a way of getting private industry to revitalize inner city areas and try to get people there to own their own homes. It's a proven fact that higher rates of home ownership equals a greater feeling of responsibility. It's no secret that banks often look down on black people. That's just wrong - if you go into a bank (what's left of banks nowadays) they should give a family from a low-income area the same chance, credit-wise, as one who comes from a country club. But, credit and ability to pay off the loan should not be overlooked. Banks aren't charities.

This seems to have worked out for a few years. Poor people got loans, but they were responsible and worked to pay off their houses. Home ownership went up, crime went down a little, and everything was normal.

After the dot com bust and 9/11, interest rates took a nose dive. And hey, here's these really liberal CRA rules...so there was a HUGE STAMPEDE FOR HOUSES AND PROPERTY!!!!!!!

This wouldn't even have been so bad, except they kept rates at the rock-bottom for three years - leaving the door open long enough to make sure that any possible demand for houses was completely saturated. Then rates started to rise, ARMs on CRA-style mortgages rose, so prices plunged, foreclosures shot up, banks got poisoned, etc...

Some point the finger at Carter for coming up with the CRA in the first place. Clinton is a popular target, but he couldn't have known things would work themselves out like they did. The program had been around for years and never caused problems - although it does show the folly of government intervention in virtually any area.

In reality, the Federal Reserve under Bush should have known better than to leave interest rates so low for so many years. They should have seen the types of loans that were coming in, but no one wanted to be the department that threw a bucket of water on the economy. The whole country was tied up in anti-terrorist propaganda, real estate was booming through the roof, and it simply wasn't fashionable to talk about mundane and vague economic troubles in the far future.
 
The housing bust is really no one's fault, specifically. It's a confluence of factors. My following ideas on the subject are not meant to insult any particular groups, but just to state the facts.

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was a piece of legislation from the 1970s that encouraged investment in poor areas. It was amended several times since then. Under Clinton, it was changed in 1995 to make it easier for poor people to get more credit in their names. Banks were required to pay more attention to places that they otherwise had refused to do business in, and had to give some sort of loan options to people in those areas.

Now this all sprang from good intentions. This was meant to be a way of getting private industry to revitalize inner city areas and try to get people there to own their own homes. It's a proven fact that higher rates of home ownership equals a greater feeling of responsibility. It's no secret that banks often look down on black people. That's just wrong - if you go into a bank (what's left of banks nowadays) they should give a family from a low-income area the same chance, credit-wise, as one who comes from a country club. But, credit and ability to pay off the loan should not be overlooked. Banks aren't charities.

This seems to have worked out for a few years. Poor people got loans, but they were responsible and worked to pay off their houses. Home ownership went up, crime went down a little, and everything was normal.

After the dot com bust and 9/11, interest rates took a nose dive. And hey, here's these really liberal CRA rules...so there was a HUGE STAMPEDE FOR HOUSES AND PROPERTY!!!!!!!

This wouldn't even have been so bad, except they kept rates at the rock-bottom for three years - leaving the door open long enough to make sure that any possible demand for houses was completely saturated. Then rates started to rise, ARMs on CRA-style mortgages rose, so prices plunged, foreclosures shot up, banks got poisoned, etc...

Some point the finger at Carter for coming up with the CRA in the first place. Clinton is a popular target, but he couldn't have known things would work themselves out like they did. The program had been around for years and never caused problems - although it does show the folly of government intervention in virtually any area.

In reality, the Federal Reserve under Bush should have known better than to leave interest rates so low for so many years. They should have seen the types of loans that were coming in, but no one wanted to be the department that threw a bucket of water on the economy. The whole country was tied up in anti-terrorist propaganda, real estate was booming through the roof, and it simply wasn't fashionable to talk about mundane and vague economic troubles in the far future.

Presidents are responsible to the extent that their appointees (ie., Federal Reserve chairman, Treasury secretary, etc.) set policies that are the driving force behind much of what goes on in the economy.
 
If the pres. is at fault for all that is going on then we have a hell of a lot of people getting paid for nothing.Lots of really greedy people run wall street.The lack of morals and character is the cause of the fall of the USA and some people saw it coming.:agree:
 
I voted for Obama. As in past tense I vote absentee. I feel he is the only candidate who addresses the issues I am facing rising unemployment rising food and housing costs an out of control wallstreet. The corporate scalping of the American taxpayers due to greed. The outsourcing of American jobs by corporations who hide their assets in foreign banks then want the protection that living in this country has to offer. Hell yeah I voted for Obama this country has been run into the ground by the Republican party. Another thing to consider is that if you vote for McCain you will be putting his VP in office as he will never live to the end of his term he looks like hell. Do you really want Caribou Barbie running things? You betcha by golly!
 
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I would suggest LeavingMass read the post entitled Who Am I? 143 days as a junior senator from Ilinois is NOT qualification for the office of POTUS. You can't even become a manager at McDeath Burger in 143 days.
 
I voted for Obama. As in past tense I vote absentee. I feel he is the only candidate who addresses the issues I am facing rising unemployment rising food and housing costs an out of control wallstreet. The corporate scalping of the American taxpayers due to greed. The outsourcing of American jobs by corporations who hide their assets in foreign banks then want the protection that living in this country has to offer. Hell yeah I voted for Obama this country has been run into the ground by the Republican party.
I can get a parrot to talk about the same things Obama talks about. Would you vote for a bird that sits on a perch and jabbers nonsense?

Another thing to consider is that if you vote for McCain you will be putting his VP in office as he will never live to the end of his term he looks like hell. Do you really want Caribou Barbie running things? You betcha by golly!
I've met McCain personally; he's not a lithe gymnast or anything, but he has a *very* firm handshake. He moves around ably enough, much more so than some middle age people I know. I think he'll probably live to be 112 or something and surprise us all.
 
unless one considers increasing entitlements, making the welfare system larger, a socialist platform taking over a free-market; I dont see how nobama can solve anything.this last effort on the hill to give 700 B to wall street was a clear and definate attempt by the government to get excessive control over a free market. harken back to I thnk it was Maxine Waters ? who made the statement that she wanted the government to take over the oil companies....communism anyone? some people have made a comparison to Carter in how nobama makes them feel, like hope after a storm.......under Carter those who had got more and those with little ended up with less. some of the highest interest rates we had ever seen worked in favor of people wiht money and against those who had little.
as for McCain dying in office........if genetics has anything to do with it, looking at his mother, he will make it well past his first term and even if he didnt, I would be fine with Palin taking over, I guess thats just the difference in a conservative and a liberal and their view of the world.
 
... but how is it that you assume that you know we are not looking at other issues.
....

Excuse you .....?

Did I point out anyone specific and say they are the 1 issue voter ?

But hey, if I hit a nerve, so be it


Watch and read the news, watch the polls

Besides 1 issue voters, we have people voting based on gender ( women for women ), race ( blacks for black ) etc ... many voting not on the broad picture and issues, but just on one principle.

Because this is a 2A issue forum, I highlighted the topic about that issue.
 
If you like guns and ammo for hunting or fun YOU are stupid if you vote for obama!!!!!!!That is the issue that makes all the others enforceable.:bad:
 
Yes, I have some concerns about the MCain/Palin ticket, but they are fairly minor. First of all, I didn't want McCain, I wanted Fred Thompson. Well, he's out. So MCain is the next best choice. He is too centrist for my taste, but that's me.

Regarding Palin, yes she is a phenomenon. She represents the New Republican Party: young, eager, and intelligent folks who happen to be Type A personalities. Think Jindal and the governor of Virginia. Her interviews have been somewhat weak, but don't forget she is in the glare of the brightest lights possible which probably makes her uncomfortable. In time, I think she will do just fine. In my opinion, she has more executive experience than Biden does. Notice how I am comparing her to Biden, not Obama. I just wish the Democrats would harping about how she is not ready to President. As far as I am concerned, Biden should be running for President, not Obama.

The Republican Party has a long history of thinking positively of the USA, think Reagan. Obama is sooo negative it is unbelievable. Anyone who votes for Obama just because he is black oughta be booted from the US. That is racism pure and simple.

And that's the truth from me....
 
There are some of us here who are definitely one issue voters. I am not. I believe the financial world is in much worse shape than anyone realizes. If what I believe comes true the depression of the 1930s will seem like a small potatoes. I did not live through that period but my parents did. One of the things they both agree on was that had it not been for FDR we would have had a much more difficult time of it. He instituted many radical social policies we now take for granted in fact had they not dismantled the Glass Steagall act we would not be in the financial mess we are now.

Now I said that to say this the one candidate addressing the social and economic issues we are already in and which will get worse in the near future is Obama. He is the only one who seems to have a grasp of the severity of the situation. Do I agree with everything he says no. I have plenty of reservations but I have lost faith in McCain. He has flipped on everything he believed in 4 years ago. I think that in order to get the parties nomination he has decided to say and do anything no matter what it costs him. I cannot believe one word that comes out of his mouth these days because he has reversed himself so many times.

The Democratic party has a long history of thinking positively of the USA, think FDR or Kennedy. McCain is so arrogant it is disgusting. Anyone who votes for McCain just because he is white should buy a sheet and go burn a cross.
 
Now I said that to say this the one candidate addressing the social and economic issues we are already in and which will get worse in the near future is Obama. He is the only one who seems to have a grasp of the severity of the situation. Do I agree with everything he says no. I have plenty of reservations but I have lost faith in McCain. He has flipped on everything he believed in 4 years ago. I think that in order to get the parties nomination he has decided to say and do anything no matter what it costs him. I cannot believe one word that comes out of his mouth these days because he has reversed himself so many times.

The Democratic party has a long history of thinking positively of the USA, think FDR or Kennedy. McCain is so arrogant it is disgusting. Anyone who votes for McCain just because he is white should buy a sheet and go burn a cross.

I disagree that Obama has a grasp on the severity of the situation. Obama was the one that insisted on a debate rather than head back to DC to sort out the economic crisis. Obama is a good speaker, he's able to convince a large audience of "his position" so that the audience walks away thinking what HE wants them to think. I put him in the category of a used car salesman.

You cannot say that McCain has flipped on "everything he believed in". This statement falls into the "always" and "never" category. Two words that you should use with extreme caution. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you'll find something that he did "right".

FDR was a good President. As for Kennedy, I don't care for the guy. I'm glad that he wasn't longer than he was. I hate to see what would have happened if he lived out his term in office. Ted Kennedy is very similar to his brother JFK. Not something that I would have wanted.

You think that McCain is arrogant? Did you miss that "smirk" on Obama's face after every statement during the Presidential debate? If anyone is arrogant, it would be Obama. He's probably thinking "I've got you all fooled. When King Obama takes office, I'll show you!"

There are many issues that cause me to not like Obama for President. On the other hand, there are many issues that cause me to dislike McCain as well. There are MANY MORE issues against Obama, therefore I'll probably be voting for McCain. I don't like having to choose the President this way, but my rights and freedoms are a lot more important to me to not vote for the candidate that I feel would be most capable of running our country. If I have my firearms and ammunition, I'll be able to protect myself if TSHTF and crime skyrockets because everyone's out of money. OTOH, if Obama takes my guns, how will I defend myself and what I have against the many folks who will be coming to take it from me?

Something to think about.


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Millions of Veterans are very worried about 2009.

Yes this is a pro-gun web-site, and I have lost faith in BOTH candidates, if there were a good 3rd who stood a chance at winning I would vote for them, so this year my ballot goes into the shredder. I dislike the agendas of BOTH and there are a LOT of other issues that runs my world than guns even on a site that links guns with McCain and chaos with Obama. God only knows in my record of posting I have railed against both and made cyber-enemies of patrons I have a lot of respect for, a no-win deal.
As a disabled Vet checking out and probably dead by age 60 I need the V.A. like you need food & water to live. I have to think about my failing health, and I do not like what this link tells me, it is facts that can be verified by any non-partisan web-site you care to check, by HR # and vote/date, McCain is a Veteran but I do not condone or even understand why every vote that could have helped Vets out he has voted against for years, please verify his voting record out B 4 U flame me out. I am not going to post to this thread again with any retort. I simply leave you with this link and wonder if a year from now if I'll still own my guns but won't have any money for ammo, a place to live a car or probably be dead of end-stage liver failure if a President McCain keeps tracking promises to dismantle the only health-care institution that keeps me alive, a much more important factor in what years I have left than guns, which won't pay for my medical bills or those of the millions of other disabled Vets who are barely hanging on right now.
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It comes from an online source called 'Veterans Today' that provides non-partisan reports on issues that effect Veterans, and it is probably the most reliable portal on the internet if you want cold hard facts not chest-pounding rants. This link has these words stamped on the bottom of every article it publishes online: VeteransToday.com believes in an open discussion and seeks views from all sides.
Please if you feel like ripping me up after reading this then do it off forum in private e-mail.
I respect your right to vote for who you want.
Please try to understand my desire to squeeze a few more years into my life.
I want to keep my gun and you to keep yours too, but I won't need a gun when I'm dead, without the V.A. that day isn't that far off.
Thanks,

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