In Boston more citizens were directly terrorized in their homes at gunpoint by jackbooted cops than by the unarmed wounded 19 year old. Looks like the paramilitary training and indoctrination that citizens are the enemy has been successful in law enforcement agencies.
I wonder how many dogs were shot by the storm troopers and illegally entered and searched homes. Even the friendliest dog will defend the home and their pack, i.e. the family. I have two labs that are friendly to a fault, but bark their head off if a stranger comes to the door. Cops seem to love shooting a dog that dare to bark at them.
I wonder how many citizens were threatened to remain silent regarding the abuse and illegal activities of the storm troopers, and how much damage was done in entering homes.
So what would 'you' be saying if the terrorist suspect was hiding in someones private property and the citizen homeowner was the one who actually found the suspect without the help of law enforcement??..........
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If that homeowner was armed and had a decent set of caJones, he easily could have taken that suspect into custody without getting his valuable boat all shot up by the trigger happy gestapo imvho.
"I hope they catch him", the same as I would with anyone else they're looking for without turning part of the country into a police state. You're saying we should suspend the Constitution and surrender our rights because we're searching for a terrorist. The end justifies the means and our rights are negotiable as far as you're concerned. As soon as we accept that concept as legitimate, who decides what is justified tomorrow, and under what circumstances? If you really want to live in a country where rights are so negotiable, I can suggest several of them. You wouldn't be there very long before discovering how good we have it here, and how passionately we need to protect it.
If they hadn't done what they did? For one thing, it would have been far more civilized if they had knocked on the door, and just asked if everything was alright, while looking for anything out of the ordinary. If the punk would have been in one of them, they would have discovered it-- without being Nazis!So what would you be saying if they had not done what they did and the terrorist was in one of those houses?
I was a police officer a blockade of that big an area, is not HOT pursuit. We arrested many badguys with out stormtrooping into a person house. The police were lifting the lockdown and a home owner called on a tip. no need for the home searchs w/o consent. You can ask but remember this is America, Our son and dauthers and fathers and mothers and we the people died for the rights, If the gov turns into a police state we lose us. We are not the America who died for us.
Shame on the cops in the video who are pointing guns at women and children who are not anywhere near the male suspect id
for this crime. what prob cause did they have for deadly force on a women and children. They did iT look at the video.
NO hot pursuit, wrong search w/o concent, no lawfull order at gun point!!!!!
YES THE BADGUY had BOMBS Well no shix sherlock!! We used to be brave so much so that Americans would take a hit to keep our FREDOM!!! Freedom from search and threat of force to comply the police were not allowed to be nazies.
We had a big war where our best died to KEEP AMERICA FREE. What is FREEDOM to you ( SHUTUP OR I PUT YOU IN JAIL.)
OPEN your door or I WILL SHUT YOU. SWEARING at parents in front of their small kids to pull up your hands or I will kill you. PUT UP YOUR FUCxING HANDS!!! WOW SERVE n PROTECT WHO?????? a cop got some milk for a baby.
DID HE shoot the parents and have no choice, OH no just took them out of their home at gun point, ( depends for everyone!!!!! - cause everyone shix them selfs) You know we are the best in the world at what we want to do.
So we can outdo the german thugs at being scary. we got scarer uniforms w masks and bigger gun and black helicopter.
dogs and we pretend we are not using force, Oh it was a lockdown we did not order you to house arrest and we did not handcuff you if we saw you on the street. We did not order you out of you home at gunpoint. We did not detain you w/o a lawfull reason just cause we want to. it made our job easyer. sorry about thearts and scarying you and detaining you and all that WE GOT OUR MAN.. JUST LIKE THE STORM TROOPERS only we did it better we are THE AMERICAN POLICE FORCE, OOPS the godfathers of our country did not want a national police force, too much power in a small few hands.
they want the power to stay in the hands of the people. ( YES I CAN NOT SPELL OR HAVE VERY GOOD writing skills. BUT I was a US MARINE And a POLICE OFFICER and I am an American. I know our history and am very proud of it no place on earth with the law and rights we have. That we are losing!!!! I see the teacher training our kids to be sheep. ask any kid who was murphy, bastone, what president turned down becoming KING. I pray the next president says Hey we are going to make the laws and consititution stronger, keep the seperartion of power, and never again allow this shix to happen again. THIS IS WHY WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE 2A
So what would you be saying if they had not done what they did and the terrorist was in one of those houses?
I believe that you mean to say that you are "anti douchebag." Don't worry, the cop groupies here apply liberal logic to this issue and will label you with the broad term "cop basher" even though you condemn the unjust acts of a few.
FYI desterteagle, there's a few former LEOs on my friends list here at USA Carry. Not that you care.
In reference to what I put in bold above for emphasis. What was that saying about a pot and a kettle?Everyone on this forum would have instantly jumped on the police for being ignorant and failing to do their job. In the eyes of the extreme anti-government folk on here, the police are wrong no matter what they do.Originally Posted by JimPage View Post
So what would you be saying if they had not done what they did and the terrorist was in one of those houses?
I don't agree with searching houses involuntarily. But I guarantee people would be trash talking the police if another innocent family was killed by the terrorist.
Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
I believe that you mean to say that you are "anti douchebag." Don't worry, the cop groupies here apply liberal logic to this issue and will label you with the broad term "cop basher" even though you condemn the unjust acts of a few.
FYI desterteagle, there's a few former LEOs on my friends list here at USA Carry. Not that you care.
Oh gosh, your political views must be so balanced.
In reference to what I put in bold above for emphasis. What was that saying about a pot and a kettle?
Edited to fix including the pertinent quotes...
I don't agree with searching houses involuntarily. But I guarantee people would be trash talking the police if another innocent family was killed by the terrorist.
I repeat.... pot... meet kettle...Ya, what was that saying? You really dont have a point.
And while I'm far from being anti cop... I've had it with the stupid crap that cops are all powerful and all knowing deserving of undying adoration and blind obedience and us dumb ass civilians should just shut up, obey orders, and be thankful men in blue are willing to put their lives on the line to protect us chicken sheeeit sheep. Where the hell where you all powerful Superman cops when the really bad guy was about to shoot me in my own damn house? Where were you? Don't try to hand me crap about "call 911" because if I didn't have a gun of my own I'd be a damn chalk line and a note in a report!
Get over yourselves already! All that is happening is the definition of "sheep" is being expanded to include LE who flock to protect each other under the pretend idea that they are protecting the "sheep".
Who is the "sheep"? Those poor simple dumb ass commoners milling around desperately in need of a police force armed with real machine gun assault weapons and armored vehicles like in Boston? Or the dumb ass LE who are unwittingly part of the political machine that uses men with real machine guns and armored vehicles to force the commoners to submit to authoritarian rule by the political elite?
Who are the real "sheep"?
Why do people not understand that every wannabe dictator, past or .. dare I say.. present .. understands this simple truth:
Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
"Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.
Quotations from Mao Tse Tung — Chapter 5
So... who exactly had the power in Boston? "We the people"? Or them .. the government.... and what did they use to enforce that power?
You know... the really bad thing about it all is.. with all the equipment.. with all the manpower...
WITH ALL THE FREAKING FIREPOWER!!!
that "them the government had" (and dammit! LE is an extension of "the government!)...........
A civilian was the one who showed all that amassed force where the bad guy was hiding.
Rather embarrassing I think.
Not to mention the fact that a civilian found what a massed militaristic force armed with weapons Obama himself said don't belong on the streets couldn't find will be downplayed and shuffled into obscurity while a random act of kindness involving milk will be............. milked ... to show how wonderfully generous our authoritarian saviors are.
Interesting poll since it wasn't martial law to begin with. It has to be military action with a failure of civilian order/authority. Contrary to popular belief, LE doesn't go out every day thinking of ways to F*&ck up your day. Boston continues to wholeheartedly support their LEOs and the job they successfully completed. They were in and out and got their man. Life now goes on.
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I don't give a crap whether they got the guy or not, that wasn't right.
I agree it is disingenuous to refer to the 19 year old bomber as ... just a kid. Age is immaterial when it comes to intentionally blowing people up.But tell this to those who were killed, that 8 yr old's family...the MIT cop and his family. This wasn't just a "19yr old kid" as many of you like to water down. He had and still has no remorse or fear....nothing to lose essentially and committed an act of war in a major US city. Ever since Columbine these situations require an offensive police action to either capture or kill. Understand the dynamics and psyche of these individuals before you make crass comments as above. And for those of you that thought this was an exaggerated police response with armored vehicles and weapons. Well, if there is an expectation that civilian LE is to respond to bombings, mass killings and shoot out with terrorists, this is the response you will get every time. The police getting "militarized" is a response to the increasingly dangerous world we are encountering and the weaponry being used, not to diminish constitutional rights of the citizens or create conspiracies suggesting the government is creating a 'commie' or 'gestapo' state. You can choose to read the erroneous internet conspiracies and jump to conclusions by looking and watching these Boston searches without knowing the facts but at the end of the day, you will still have to rely on LE to complete this mission to YOUR benefit and thousands if not millions of others when these tragic events happen on our soil and kill our people.
Maybe the OP created the poll so he could indirectly get an answer to the burning option #4 question in his mind:Interesting poll since it wasn't martial law to begin with.
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