is .380 enough gun?
Enough? Sure, if you are accurate under distress. Optimum? Nope. 9mm isn't much more difficult to carry concealed and has a good bit more punch.
 

look, nobody wants to be shot with a pellet pistol, either. Such "thinking' is silly. Such unwillingness does not make the pellet gun or the 380 a manstopper. Shoot a few animals with the 380,and you will know that it's about as "effective" as a Stinger from a .22lr rifle. Which is to say', ok for rabbits, a bit feeble for chucks, not nearly enough for coyotes". guys with lots of experience consider a full sized 9mm a bit on the weak side, unless it's loaded really "hot". So a pocket 9, and at that, loaded up "really special" is all I will settle for. However, since very few people will have the need to even fire, much less hit anybody, much less have to beat them into the ground with multiple hits with powerful loads, I DO recommend the keltec 380, as it is quite superior to .22lr, .32, .25, and .22 mag ( in similar sized guns) The 9mm pocket gun needs to weigh 16 or more ozs, in order to be reasonably controlable in rapid fire.
 
bullet placement is bs, guys, when you are being shot at. Everyone flinches from the blasts and ducks incoming fire and blows. The light is likely to be bad, your eyes dazzled from the muzzle flashes, and you may indeed already be injured by the enemy's first blows. you can easily already be hurt of sick, that might be why the predator picked you in the first place. if you really COULD hit the heart, why not just aim for the brain, hmm? the heart and brain are the same size. the brain hit is many times more likely to get us the instantaneous stop that is needed. Nothing about a heart hit is immobilizing, and the lungs, liver, spleen are even less so. Just because it hurts your male ego does not mean that it's not factual.
 
One of the problems I have with the caliber wars is somehow people bring up 9mm and how much more effective it is as a round due to advances in technology. Somehow it seems some believe no other calibers improved as well.

The modern .380 has improved as well. Look at the Leigh and hornady FTX as effective rounds.

Will they be as good as bigger calibers ? I believe if you do your part they will be so.

They meet the FBI specs in some rounds.


Someday. That’s a dangerous word. It’s really just a code for ‘never’.
 
Happypuppy said:
One of the problems I have with the caliber wars is somehow people bring up 9mm and how much more effective it is as a round due to advances in technology. Somehow it seems some believe no other calibers improved as well.

The modern .380 has improved as well. Look at the Leigh and hornady FTX as effective rounds.

Will they be as good as bigger calibers ? I believe if you do your part they will be so.

They meet the FBI specs in some rounds.


Someday. That’s a dangerous word. It’s really just a code for ‘never’.
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They do NOT meet the FBI specs. Not a single .380 JHP does meet the FBI specs. The Hornady FTX round doesn't go beyond 9 inches in bare gel. The Lehigh Defense penetrates 27 inches in bare gel with a tiny wound channel. A .380 FMJ-FN, however, may pass the FBI specs, but that requires it to tumble which is unpredictable. Most 9mm JHP rounds do meet the full FBI specs: bare gel, denim-covered, steel, wall board, ply wood and auto glass.
 
bofh said:
They do NOT meet the FBI specs. Not a single .380 JHP does meet the FBI specs. The Hornady FTX round doesn't go beyond 9 inches in bare gel. The Lehigh Defense penetrates 27 inches in bare gel with a tiny wound channel. A .380 FMJ-FN, however, may pass the FBI specs, but that requires it to tumble which is unpredictable. Most 9mm JHP rounds do meet the full FBI specs: bare gel, denim-covered, steel, wall board, ply wood and auto glass.
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ShootTheBull410 found some. I am not a LEO and don't personally need the barrier requirements. I believe a citizen that had to shoot through a car door etc may well find them self in the pokey.

https://youtu.be/GNtPHYwcDts


Someday. That’s a dangerous word. It’s really just a code for ‘never’.
 
Yes .380 will do.

If you are looking for a CC gun, many pistols are designed smaller for

this caliber specifically for CC.


I personally don't have any .380, because they are very close to 9mmx19 Luger in size, and

I would not want to mix them up.

IIRC, Hitler's PPK was a .380, and he carried it in his back pocket...
 
James Butler Hickock, aka Wild Bill, carried a matched pair of Colt 1851 Navy cap and ball revolvers chambered in .36 caliber. Initially he carried the guns in a sash tied around his waste. In years later he had holsters fashioned into his trouser pockets. The .36 C&B caliber is comparable to the modern .380. Not exactly a man stopper by contemporary standards. Hickock used one to dispatch a man named Tillman on the town square in Springfield, Missouri at over 20 paces. One shot was all that was needed. A testament to shot placement.
 
Nothing wrong with .380 but it won't blow a big hole thru you like a .45 will. I carry two .32 acp pistols and trust them completely. Shot placement is everything. :dirol:
 
cluznar said:
Nothing wrong with .380 but it won't blow a big hole thru you like a .45 will. I carry two .32 acp pistols and trust them completely. Shot placement is everything. :dirol:
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That and the fact that you publicly believe citizens should only own weapons you approve of.
Don't make me post up all your anti gun bs "Conrad". It'll only make you look like an even bigger fool than you already are.
 
Happypuppy said:
ShootTheBull410 found some. I am not a LEO and don't personally need the barrier requirements. I believe a citizen that had to shoot through a car door etc may well find them self in the pokey.

https://youtu.be/GNtPHYwcDts


Someday. That’s a dangerous word. It’s really just a code for ‘never’.
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Meeting the FBI specs does also require ammunition to be barrier blind. ShootTheBull410 has not found .380 ACP ammunition that meets the FBI specs. He has found ammunition that meets his personal limited specs that exclude barrier blindness. Note that barrier blindness does not simply mean barrier penetrating, instead it means that after going through a barrier, the round performs still within the FBI specs. JHP ammunition that is not barrier blind typically over-penetrates the target after going through a barrier due to a lack of expansion. A JHP round that is not barrier blind typically behaves like a FMJ round after going through a barrier.

I assume you will ask a car jacker if he could please step back from the car, so that you don't have to fire through the door when defending your life and risk of getting arrested for an imaginary crime? Other, real-life, barriers that you may need to shoot through to defend your life are made out of wall board, plywood, sheet metal or glass in your home or in the businesses you frequent. Again, .380 ACP JHP ammunition will penetrate those, just not with efficient expansion afterwards, leading to over-penetration.
 
A .380 has all the stopping power as a kiss from your mama. When it comes to urban combat it's a .45 or go home. This conversation is now settled.
 
Wild Dog said:
A .380 has all the stopping power as a kiss from your mama. When it comes to urban combat it's a .45 or go home. This conversation is now settled.
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Everybody has a preferred caliber and, as long as they are satisfied with it, I am tickled pink. Depending on where I am going, I sometimes carry a .380. At other times, it is either a 9mm, .40 or .45 caliber. Just depends on where I am going and what I intend to do. I really don't care about the opinion of others, it is what I am satisfied with. I am not a "purist," I use what I like and, believe me, you don't want a kiss from my .380. It has done everything I have wanted it to do but, if that is how you feel, pucker up!
 
Actually, the only reason I don't carry a .380, or own one, is it's

too easy for me to confuse .380 bullets with 9mmX19.

I have 9mm full-size guns that I must have, so I'm seeking 9mm

carry EDCs that are smaller. But a .380 has proven it will get the

job done time and again.

Yeah, 45ACP is a proven man-stopper, but, for it's size, it's an awfully

dedicated round, almost wasteful...
 
Oldgrunt said:
Everybody has a preferred caliber and, as long as they are satisfied with it, I am tickled pink. Depending on where I am going, I sometimes carry a .380. At other times, it is either a 9mm, .40 or .45 caliber. Just depends on where I am going and what I intend to do. I really don't care about the opinion of others, it is what I am satisfied with. I am not a "purist," I use what I like and, believe me, you don't want a kiss from my .380. It has done everything I have wanted it to do but, if that is how you feel, pucker up!
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Congratulations on enjoying your little pea-shooter a.k.a. .380. What will you do on that day a dedicated terrorist cell high PCP declares jihad on you and your loved ones? When those .380 rounds do all the damage of a pillow fight and you see the blood of all those you hold dear flowing along the sidewalk like rivers of wine, then you'll wish you had a .45.
 
therewolf said:
Actually, the only reason I don't carry a .380, or own one, is it's

too easy for me to confuse .380 bullets with 9mmX19.

I have 9mm full-size guns that I must have, so I'm seeking 9mm

carry EDCs that are smaller. But a .380 has proven it will get the

job done time and again.

Yeah, 45ACP is a proven man-stopper, but, for it's size, it's an awfully

dedicated round, almost wasteful...
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Wasteful? Wasteful! WASTEFUL!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

What is your deal? One more dead dirtbag is never wasteful. If that's too much for you then I suggest next time you're faced with a scumbag deserving a trip to the hereafter you sing him kumbaya.:rolleyes:

Wasteful, puh-leeze.
 
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