"If Zimmerman get off, Ima go out & kill a white boy" WTH??

AS for your being on a watch list, the anti defamation league and a government agency's watch list are two separate things. though being here might have included you in the latter.

Ever heard of a DHS hit-piece against conservatives called, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment?"

If you haven't, I can't say I'd be surprised. If you have, have you also looked into the sources the DHS used to compile that pile? Besides ThinkProgress, Media Matters, and the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL was one of their sources as well. The DHS "report" is updated every year. That link goes to the first one from 2009, and the link to the ADL report that I gave in my last post was from 2010. That is the year that ADL was added to DHS's list of sources.

As to the rest of your post......Pffft.

Blues
 
PHP:
[PHP](U) Current Economic and Political Climate 
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are 
driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity. 
Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small 
terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years. In addition, the historical election of 
an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a 
driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization.
— (U) A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing 
extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in 
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction 
reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment 
conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a 
Jewish-controlled “one world government.” 
(U) Exploiting Economic Downturn 
(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the 
economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, 
and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate 
conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics 
are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize 
those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to 
accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen. 
(U) Historical Presidential Election 
(U//LES) Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment 
tool. Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential 
administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and 
citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 
UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 
Page 4 of 9 
(U//FOUO) Perceptions on Poverty and Radicalization 
(U//FOUO) Scholars and experts disagree over poverty’s role in motivating violent radicalization or 
terrorist activity. High unemployment, however, has the potential to lead to alienation, thus increasing 
an individual’s susceptibility to extremist ideas. According to a 2007 study from the German Institute 
for Economic Research, there appears to be a strong association between a parent’s unemployment 
status and the formation of rightwing extremist beliefs in their children—specifically xenophobia and 
antidemocratic ideals.
ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns 
and leverage them as drivers for recruitment. From the 2008 election timeframe to the 
present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in 
expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential 
sympathizers.
— (U//LES) Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, 
expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president, 
but stopping short of calls for violent action. In two instances in the run-up to the 
election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some 
threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement 
interceded
[/PHP]

So everyone on here is under watch. So all of those members bad mouthing the President keep your eyes open cause you are being watched.
 
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What I find appalling about these obvious threats is how it fulfills the image that so many say is unfair, that they find so appalling. Sadly, the authors of these tweets make Paula Deen's case for her.

We hear "Thou shalt not profile", but then "gangsta" wannabes go out of their way to fulfill threatening stereotypes, posting general threats. Are they serious threats? Who knows? Are they credible? One has to accept that they are in at least some cases. And, frankly, I am unwilling to believe that if ANY are fake, that ALL are planted. We will see once the verdict is in.

This makes it more likely that another young Trayvon who thinks it is fashionable to play "gangsta", get in people's faces and act menacing is going to get shot. Do these tweets mean that if a group of two, three or more (disparity of force) young black males walk up on a single white male and physically accost him, that Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy are present and lethal force will be justified (do the tweets suggest jeopardy)? Would these tweets go to state of mind (reasonableness) of the defendant?
 
So everyone on here is under watch. So all of those members bad mouthing the Prez kkep your eyes open cause you are being watched.

Just remember though, death threats on the interwebs are all made by teenagers, they should be ignored by law enforcement, and the whole subject should make us "lol." No, seriously!

Blues
 
Kasper
Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE.. but the person that reported to the cops didnt think so..
So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats? including those used in this situation on zimmermen? Where does it stop? when is enough, enough? should we police porn too? how about these forums for anti presidential speech? wait lets not stop their lets continue the slippery slope.. Government as is, cannot, should not be the one dealing with this kind of stupid garbage.

The stupid and ignorant morons who post that kind of garbage, should be held accountable by decent folks sure - hopefully friends and family of those individuals step in and slap some sense into them..
Growing up I said lots of stupid things as a kid, never got much attention outside the neighborhood I grew up in, because we didn't have internet age of posting things online to millions of people most of whom you never met or meet.

You and blues are both here to discuss anti 2a stuff and the stupid politics that are involved.. and yet your trying to convince me that I should allow government intrusion and inspection of my words online? even the stuff I said in jest or anger way back when I was young? and those same words I should allow be used against me in future, in perpetuity? by all government related agency's? I dont think so.

The police do not have the money, nor the ability to investigate every death threat made online.. to even think they should is only opening a can of worms the likes of which you obviously are oblivious too.. If even the CIA, NSA, FBI and entire clearing house of DHS cannot investigate every death threat made against America.. (despite trying) then its obviously stupid to expect death threats in this case to be all taken with more then grain of salt.

I also find it rather shocking that you try to go against what I say, by claiming your subjected to being watch lists / etc - I actually tossed that in as a joke - which I find hilarious that your both so interested in that you have to post proof of you being on such a list. lol Noone cares but you, and honestly in grand scheme of things I dont care much what those idiots say online - until they make face 2 face threats - I wouldn't be giving it another thought. otherwise how would you sleep at night knowing 100+ people or more threatened to kill you?? even owning guns and having a secure living environment with guard dogs and such doesn't prevent a motivated, dedicated person from taking your life or your family's.. if you wish to live in fear of words, continue to do so.. but I myself wont.
 
You and blues are both here to discuss anti 2a stuff and the stupid politics that are involved..

I'm not speaking for Kasper, but in this thread, I'm here to talk about the death threats towards Zimmerman, just like the name of the thread implies we all should be. This is the "Deadly Force and the Law" sub-forum, not a 2A or politics-specific forum.

I honestly wish you were trying as hard to understand the topic of the thread, what people are saying in it, and what the law does and doesn't protect, as you are trying to trivialize the significance of the degradation of our society that those messages represent.

Blues
 
What I find appalling about these obvious threats is how it fulfills the image that so many say is unfair, that they find so appalling. Sadly, the authors of these tweets make Paula Deen's case for her.

We hear "Thou shalt not profile", but then "gangsta" wannabes go out of their way to fulfill threatening stereotypes, posting general threats. Are they serious threats? Who knows? Are they credible? One has to accept that they are in at least some cases. And, frankly, I am unwilling to believe that if ANY are fake, that ALL are planted. We will see once the verdict is in.

This makes it more likely that another young Trayvon who thinks it is fashionable to play "gangsta", get in people's faces and act menacing is going to get shot. Do these tweets mean that if a group of two, three or more (disparity of force) young black males walk up on a single white male and physically accost him, that Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy are present and lethal force will be justified (do the tweets suggest jeopardy)? Would these tweets go to state of mind (reasonableness) of the defendant?

Excellent post Dark. Thumb's up.
 
Kasper
Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE.. but the person that reported to the cops didnt think so..
So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats? including those used in this situation on zimmermen? Where does it stop? when is enough, enough? should we police porn too? how about these forums for anti presidential speech? wait lets not stop their lets continue the slippery slope.. Government as is, cannot, should not be the one dealing with this kind of stupid garbage.

The stupid and ignorant morons who post that kind of garbage, should be held accountable by decent folks sure - hopefully friends and family of those individuals step in and slap some sense into them.

Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE..
No your reply is flawed. If everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE the Texas teen would not have been arrested.

So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats?
No I am not saying that. Continue reading below to find out what it is I am saying.

I did read and comprehend the news article as I pointed out the Texas teen was making a joke and in my opinion a bad joke due to the times we are living in. But to place a joke online where other people who do not know anything about you or your sense of humor is stupid. If you take into account all of the things that have happened you can see why some people mistakenly take it as a threat instead of a joke. I learned log ago never to put anything on the internet you don't want someone to find cause it will be found.

So back to your point of trying to say I want everyone's words watched is wrong. The teen in Texas learned that there can be repercussions for posting jokes online. They did not arrest him for posting it but for what it represented, A threat. Since they did not know the teen or his sense of humor it was taken as a threat. But not just by the person who read it but by the police too.

So we are not trying to take away or infringe on a persons right to free speech but to enforce the laws we have, That states you can not threaten a persons live.
 
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Based on all the evidence so far and the lead detectives testimony; this trial is a complete waste of time and money.

Where's the race baiters Sharpton and Jackson now?

I'll bet the Home Owners Association are regretting paying that $1 Million guilt fee to Little Skittles parents :rolleyes:
 
Thanks a lot LBJ, some but not all the members of your GREAT SOCIETY have proven once again they can't reside in a civilized society. God placed them on the richest (mineral) continent on earth, Africa, diamonds oozing out of the mud between their toes and as soon as the European countries who had colonized them granted them their freedom they were right back to hacking each other with machetes, sad but true.
 
Yep...what people say on twitter should be taken seriously enough to attributed to every black person in America.

Of course, there is no chance a bunch of white racist are making those post to stir the pot.

Where the hell did that come from? Oh I get it. Looking for your 15 minutes.
 
Howdy,

I only have a 17yo daughter and I live in an all white area in Arkansas so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Paul
 
The biggest drawback to the us a carry mobile app is that I can't block no gods like on my computer.

He's got useful information to share sometimes (especially on this case I've thought), and it is good for us to have our opinions challenged from time to time.
Annoying as that might be. I don't find nogods blockworthy.

He's got a point. Who's to say it isn't someone trying to stir something up? Hard to prove either way I think.
 
Howdy,

I only have a 17yo daughter and I live in an all white area in Arkansas so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Paul

~Howdy Doody~

God forbid if someday your daughter (or someone else within your family) is violently attacked by some drug using thug, because then you would have a dog in the fight correct?

Your ignorant post (one of many) is both asinine and quite moot imvho.

And please stop saying 'howdy' in all of your bloviated posts...because it's becoming quite annoying.
 
Howdy,

I only have a 17yo daughter and I live in an all white area in Arkansas so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Paul

Just when you thought the gene pool couldn't get any shallower...

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I'm really not looking forward to a replay of the '68 race riots.
 
I'm really not looking forward to a replay of the '68 race riots.

I see it more as a Rodney King version. You can bet on it happening, hell, some places they riot when their team wins a Championship. Those goons don't need a reason, they just like to have one so they can divert the blame.
 

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