whitetiger5
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Hello Folks.
I was discussing self defense with about 30 people most of them were women. All were older than 25 years of age, We were waiting for a class to start. All of us were teachers or coaches. Someone was talking about Martin and Zimmerman. A women said he was wrong and should go to jail cause he had a gun. I said He had a weapons permit. She said if you kill someone you should go to jail cause that the police were there to protect us. I said what about the right of self defense. She and most of the women said the police would defend us.
I said what about all the people who are robbed each year and the homes broken into and the people who get killed each year? The police arrive too late to help them one of the women said The police help most of the people. I said what about the ones who are not saved by the police, should they be able to defend them selfs she said If they did not resist they would have only been robbed and money is not worth fighting for.
I am getting sick to my soul hearing this and said OK so a serial killer who is not going for money can people defend them selfs from that person she said that happens only to people looking for trouble. I then said ok what about someone who is being raped in her own home after a break-in.
Can that person use self defense. She said you can talk that guy out of it. I see it all the time on TV.
I talked about the ww2 death camps and how most of the people did not try to defend them selfs till it was too late. If they could should they have try to defend them selfs. None said anything.
It hit me that it could happen again anywhere, people are trained to not fight back, to follow orders and not defend them selfs. Vets, police and some people will fight back most will not. The men in the class said the guys who killed or raped should be put to death after they are judged but most of them would not carry a gun or chase the bad guy they would call the police its not their job. I was the only vet in the class. 7 men and me. A older women about 50 something said she carrys a gun and if someone broke into her home she would blast him out of his socks. I asked her why she carried a gun she said cause I am worth it and so is my family. The police can write the story down and cart the bad guy off, instead of me and my family.
There was more talk and most were just the same stuff about the police and not being in the wrong place and being a good person and bad things do not happen to you. Its like people throwing someone to the wolfs as long as most of us get by.
Like Zimmerman looking out for his neighbors and then when he calls the police and things go wrong he is thrown to the wolfs. He had some break in crooks arrested a week or so before the shooting and saved his neighbors house he was a good guy then but when he got into trouble. no one stood by him.
This is why the people are trained not try to help each other, cause they do not want to be the one thrown to the wolfs. Look away do not see the women being dragged into the ally or the man being robbed, the house being broken into, the teenage boy slashing tires or the boy gang walking down the street breaking windows. don't be a hero! how many times do we hear that. Mind your own self.
Evil wins when good people do nothing. People I think there are not a lot of us who would fight back, so the few of us who would must stick together and be heard. This far and no more. I fight at this point.
if there were no guns and we went along with what ever the people in power said we would still be slaves all of us (not having anything to do with color.) Hiltler was scared of being killed by his own people more than the us army. thats why he took all the guns from his people. anyone ever see the movie the born losers, with Billy jack? sad sad world we live in.
I was discussing self defense with about 30 people most of them were women. All were older than 25 years of age, We were waiting for a class to start. All of us were teachers or coaches. Someone was talking about Martin and Zimmerman. A women said he was wrong and should go to jail cause he had a gun. I said He had a weapons permit. She said if you kill someone you should go to jail cause that the police were there to protect us. I said what about the right of self defense. She and most of the women said the police would defend us.
I said what about all the people who are robbed each year and the homes broken into and the people who get killed each year? The police arrive too late to help them one of the women said The police help most of the people. I said what about the ones who are not saved by the police, should they be able to defend them selfs she said If they did not resist they would have only been robbed and money is not worth fighting for.
I am getting sick to my soul hearing this and said OK so a serial killer who is not going for money can people defend them selfs from that person she said that happens only to people looking for trouble. I then said ok what about someone who is being raped in her own home after a break-in.
Can that person use self defense. She said you can talk that guy out of it. I see it all the time on TV.
I talked about the ww2 death camps and how most of the people did not try to defend them selfs till it was too late. If they could should they have try to defend them selfs. None said anything.
It hit me that it could happen again anywhere, people are trained to not fight back, to follow orders and not defend them selfs. Vets, police and some people will fight back most will not. The men in the class said the guys who killed or raped should be put to death after they are judged but most of them would not carry a gun or chase the bad guy they would call the police its not their job. I was the only vet in the class. 7 men and me. A older women about 50 something said she carrys a gun and if someone broke into her home she would blast him out of his socks. I asked her why she carried a gun she said cause I am worth it and so is my family. The police can write the story down and cart the bad guy off, instead of me and my family.
There was more talk and most were just the same stuff about the police and not being in the wrong place and being a good person and bad things do not happen to you. Its like people throwing someone to the wolfs as long as most of us get by.
Like Zimmerman looking out for his neighbors and then when he calls the police and things go wrong he is thrown to the wolfs. He had some break in crooks arrested a week or so before the shooting and saved his neighbors house he was a good guy then but when he got into trouble. no one stood by him.
This is why the people are trained not try to help each other, cause they do not want to be the one thrown to the wolfs. Look away do not see the women being dragged into the ally or the man being robbed, the house being broken into, the teenage boy slashing tires or the boy gang walking down the street breaking windows. don't be a hero! how many times do we hear that. Mind your own self.
Evil wins when good people do nothing. People I think there are not a lot of us who would fight back, so the few of us who would must stick together and be heard. This far and no more. I fight at this point.
if there were no guns and we went along with what ever the people in power said we would still be slaves all of us (not having anything to do with color.) Hiltler was scared of being killed by his own people more than the us army. thats why he took all the guns from his people. anyone ever see the movie the born losers, with Billy jack? sad sad world we live in.
