GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE Explained.

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Come on, get a grip FFLs rather than start counting your increased fees ....

A few months after the Washington universal background check infringement was passed by the public paid off by Bloomberg, I asked a local FFL how much business he has made from private sales. He said none. Those few people who have come in and asked about it, he has told them that the no law enforcement agency in the state is going to enforce the background check law until the gun is transferred to somebody that commits a crime with it and that the local police chief has expressed, in person, that he won't enforce the law. So most people who want to sell a gun to someone they know is just doing it without the background check anyway, in Washington State.

Further proof of this law not being enforced in Washington state is the fact that 1,000's of retail sporting goods and marine stores are selling firearms every day without the required background check, at retail, and not a single prosecuting attorney in the state is willing to do anything to enforce the stupid law. According to Washington state law, flare guns are pistols. Since they are not classified as firearms according to Federal law, no FFL and background check was required for Wal Mart to sell them. However the state background check law does require them to go through an FFL and background check - but I don't know a single store that sells flare guns that is complying with the law because nobody in this state has any interest in enforcing the law.

And that's how universal background check laws work - just like the 1000' School Zone victim zones. They don't stop criminals.
 
Towatts did you have a bad experience with your FFL? Sorry to hear that. You can ask any of the people who deal with me and I'm sure you'll get a positive response all around.

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Towatts did you have a bad experience with your FFL? Sorry to hear that. You can ask any of the people who deal with me and I'm sure you'll get a positive response all around.

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Hey we understand. You think you can make some extra money and that trumps liberty and the Constitution.
 
I will say that in today's climate I agree that all gun sales private and public must go through a FFL to create a paper trail and to make sure that Friend you think you know is legal to own a Firearm. How would you know that if you do a private transfer between 2 friends, if one of you is forbidden from owning firearms due to a criminal record that someone received prior to moving next to you 5, 10, 15 years ago. Do you understand where I am going with this? It's time that you as a gun owner held responsibly to who you sell your gun too. If that person were to commit a crime with that firearm I would agree that you as the seller didn't properly vet the buyer so you should face charges depending on whatever the crime was.
I as a FFL vet everyone very carefully and I discount the fee as I suspect most FFL'S would when it's a transfer between friends, clubmates, etc.

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So you wouldn't mind being held responsible if oh, let's say some whack job like the last 2 "mass" shooters did pass a background check, purchased guns legally and used them in a illegal manner?

Why don't we make car dealers responsible for vetting drivers to make sure they don't have a drinking problem.

BTW gun violence is a manufactured phrase just like assault rifle, designed to demonized an object. The problem is violence.
 
That's ******** I stand for liberty and the Constitution

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Apparently not. You seem to put your greed in front of supporting the Constitution and support infringements which interfere with liberty. Background checks serve no useful purpose unless you are trying to keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding poor. Can you say Jim Crow laws?
 
The "parking lot salesman" is nearly always parked either at his own house or his buyer's house. If you're going to do a private sale, why go to a gun show in the first place? You can advertise for free with Penny Saver type publications almost everywhere, and there's no admission charge to meet either at one of your homes or in the local Walmart (or any other public) parking lot. If your private buyer is indeed an in-state resident, there's nothing illegal about selling him/her your weapon, nor is there anything illegal about deciding not to sell him/her your weapon should your "spidey-sense" go all haywire once you meet them. You would like all weapons transfers to go through an FFL because you're concerned that you aren't a good enough judge of character to decide whether or not to sell weapons privately to anyone you choose to within the current law?

Fortunately, I do not suffer from such a deficiency, and neither do the private sellers that I choose to do business with.

Blues

This is exactly what "they" want to change.

They will get gun many owners to say, Okay, it sounds reasonable. Lets expand background checks and enhance them to include all transfers. They will then say, BAM!
To make this effective, NIC's will now access your medical records and prescription records. OH NO What is it prescription for anti depressants. You must be the next mass shooter. DENIED.

That is what they did and are doing in NY STATE. That is what hillary wants to do. Hell in NY all it takes now is some "social worker" to make a report on you and your registered guns are taken away.

My point is: Don't let them win their "false narrative". Don't fall for their BS. There is no such thing as gun violence in America. There is violence and shootings by violent people. That is the problem that must be addressed. But we don't want to offend anyone do we, so lets blame the gun.
 
This is exactly what "they" want to change.

They will get gun many owners to say, Okay, it sounds reasonable. Lets expand background checks and enhance them to include all transfers. They will then say, BAM!
To make this effective, NIC's will now access your medical records and prescription records. OH NO What is it prescription for anti depressants. You must be the next mass shooter. DENIED.

That is what they did and are doing in NY STATE. That is what hillary wants to do. Hell in NY all it takes now is some "social worker" to make a report on you and your registered guns are taken away.

My point is: Don't let them win their "false narrative". Don't fall for their BS. There is no such thing as gun violence in America. There is violence and shootings by violent people. That is the problem that must be addressed. But we don't want to offend anyone do we, so lets blame the gun.

Oh, I get it. I highlighted what the most common type of private transfer is as an example to someone who falsely claimed it was a substantive concern in the parking lots of gun shows.

Absolutely, the goal of UBC and/or registration and/or permission slips to even be allowed to purchase a weapon types of legislation, is to eventually universally prohibit purchasing weapons for the vast majority of perfectly sane and law-abiding citizens. That anyone who claims to support the Second Amendment, Constitution and/or gun rights in general can not see that truism is prima facie evidence proving the lie of those claims. Such lies should be exposed, and that's all my post was trying to do.

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That's ******** I stand for liberty and the Constitution

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Actually, by reading your posts on here it is evident that you are 100% AGAINST the Constitution/BOR.... You just dont realize how much of an ENEMY of RIGHTS that you are.... and THAT is why YOU and those like you are more of a danger to our RIGHTS than all the other anti-gun rights organizations out there combined... Please, please, please, do us all a favor and just STOP saying you are "for" something while you actually arent in any way shape or form "for" it, because it confuses the liberals into thinking you represent TRUE RIGHTS SUPPORTERS....
 
Axeanda45 you have no clue what freedom is all about. To some of you every Tom, **** and Harry should be able to buy a gun without any checks and balances. That is the stupidest thing I've heard since people learned to read and write. Rifles and Shotguns fall under one rule and Pistols fall under another rule, listening to your comments there should be no rules or restrictions everyone should be able to buy whatever the **** they want, well in a perfect society I would agree with that. Since we live omong people who are or shall we say for lack of a better word, have a few loose screws rattling around and that's the reason we have a third party like a FFL doing transfers. Do I like the fact in NYS I have to receive everyone's Ammo order because the state instituted the stupid NYS Safe Act, Well I don't I charge $10 for pretty much any order of Ammo just as a convenience to my clients. But it's not convenient for me. It's a stupid law and it needs to be changed ASAP.

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Axeanda45 you have no clue what freedom is all about. To some of you every Tom, **** and Harry should be able to buy a gun without any checks and balances. That is the stupidest thing I've heard since people learned to read and write. Rifles and Shotguns fall under one rule and Pistols fall under another rule, listening to your comments there should be no rules or restrictions everyone should be able to buy whatever the **** they want, well in a perfect society I would agree with that. Since we live omong people who are or shall we say for lack of a better word, have a few loose screws rattling around and that's the reason we have a third party like a FFL doing transfers. Do I like the fact in NYS I have to receive everyone's Ammo order because the state instituted the stupid NYS Safe Act, Well I don't I charge $10 for pretty much any order of Ammo just as a convenience to my clients. But it's not convenient for me. It's a stupid law and it needs to be changed ASAP.

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With so many words being asterisk'ed out, it seems others' opinions of your liberty-hostile opinions are enough to set you off to the point that maybe you don't qualify to own a gun under the current set of mental health laws. If you do qualify under current laws, you won't once UBC is the law of the land. Be careful what liberty-killing laws you wish for - you may not only get them, but by supporting them, you will be considered by the rest of us as a volunteer when you fall victim to them.

When the freedom to keep and bear arms is defined in the Constitution as, "...shall not be infringed," then Axe and everybody else expressing incredulity towards your anti-freedom bent decidedly has orders of magnitude more clues what freedom is all about than you do. What a ridiculous thing to say in a post where you go on to champion the notion that you charge $10 bucks per transaction of a liberty-killing law that you yourself describe as "stupid" and that "needs to be changed ASAP." You could "change" it by not charging anything for it, thus making ammo purchases a little easier for gun owners who don't have a spare $10 bucks laying around to comply with a stupid law that needs to be repealed ASAP.

You aren't even a good poser when it comes to having any clues about real freedom.

It seems you have more in common with these wenches than most people posting in this thread.

Guess it's time to update the Honorary Mommies List, only now the "hot button" issue is UBC instead of open carry demonstrations in TX.

People trying to comprehend the oh-so-difficult-to-understand language of the Second Amendment, might want to read (and adopt the ideas expressed in) the writing in this post from earlier this year before telling others that they don't have a clue what freedom is all about again. The clueless around here are proven so by the fact of their cluelessness on the subjects they cluelessly spew about with clueless wild abandon..... or somethin' like that. :rolleyes:

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Axeanda45 you have no clue what freedom is all about. To some of you every Tom, **** and Harry should be able to buy a gun without any checks and balances. That is the stupidest thing I've heard since people learned to read and write. Rifles and Shotguns fall under one rule and Pistols fall under another rule, listening to your comments there should be no rules or restrictions everyone should be able to buy whatever the **** they want, well in a perfect society I would agree with that. Since we live omong people who are or shall we say for lack of a better word, have a few loose screws rattling around and that's the reason we have a third party like a FFL doing transfers. Do I like the fact in NYS I have to receive everyone's Ammo order because the state instituted the stupid NYS Safe Act, Well I don't I charge $10 for pretty much any order of Ammo just as a convenience to my clients. But it's not convenient for me. It's a stupid law and it needs to be changed ASAP.

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So, I am the one who doesnt know what FREEDOM is?????? Just what the heck does SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MEAN?????? I am not the one promoting multiple INFRINGEMENTS and ridiculing those who actually know how to read and comprehend words and their meanings.... YOU HAVENT A SOLITARY CLUE...
 
Axeanda45 you have no clue what freedom is all about. To some of you every Tom, **** and Harry should be able to buy a gun without any checks and balances. That is the stupidest thing I've heard since people learned to read and write.

Sounds to me like you're the one who has no idea how freedom works. I may not have much fancy education, but words like 'right to bear arms' and 'shall not be infringed upon' are some I remember reading.

But of course you know better, don't you? Wanting to take our guns away, guns that God himself says we can carry.

Your views make me nauseous.
 
Wild dog you're starting to sound like a moron or a bad record. Maybe if someone most likely like you would have gotten his or her head out of their ass, maybe those kids would still be alive in Oregon. But its dumb fucks like you who think everyone should get a gun! That muslin scumbag passed the NICS check but the people around him were clueless.


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People wish to deny firearms to those who MAY or MAY NOT commit any crime.
The libtards think we live in some kind of "Minority Report" were people are judged BEFORE any crime is even contemplated..

No my friends. This will not stand.

Unless and or until the Second Amendment is altered or abolished , this puppet regime will never get my guns.
Period.
 
Wild dog you're starting to sound like a moron or a bad record. Maybe if someone most likely like you would have gotten his or her head out of their ass, maybe those kids would still be alive in Oregon. But its dumb fucks like you who think everyone should get a gun! That muslin scumbag passed the NICS check but the people around him were clueless.


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vm, could you make this easier for all and tell us to whom the 2nd Amendment does not applly? Muslins should be up there pretty high, right? Just fill in below:
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Feel free to add more lines. There are always exceptions to every rule.
 
A bit of a Saturday morning rant....

I am so tired of hearing the mantra of:

"We need more gun control to stop these mass murders!" and "If guns were more tightly regulated those kids would still be alive!" while the fact that guns were already banned in those .. gun free zones .. where the mass murders happened and those kids where shot is somehow ignored. Not to mention that 20,000+ gun control laws that criminals and nuts ignore haven't stopped those mass murders but the gun free zone laws have created environments where law abiding defenseless victims can't shoot back that tempt mass shooters so what kind of a madman thinks just one more law criminals and nuts will ignore that adds more gun control will solve the problem?

Well... the problem isn't guns.....

How many times has an anti gunner (or a gun owning/gun carrying anti gunner "lite") said something along the lines of:

"I don't know if you are safe to have a gun." or "I don't think that guy should have a gun." or "I want to know if you can be trusted with a gun."

... and statements like that expose the anti gun agenda for the "I want to be in control of who I will allow to have a gun." desire to control other people that it really is.

Oh yeah.... a quick google search for .... machete massacres ... gives an indication of how mass murders are NOT stopped where guns are banned.

End rant.... please enjoy your Saturday.
 
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