I'd rather just dia inl on my scope and squeeze the triggera :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:few times.
I'lll know If I'm on target or not.
Good way to waste ammo and not figure out what the issues are.
I'd rather just dia inl on my scope and squeeze the triggera :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:few times.
I'lll know If I'm on target or not.
Good way to waste ammo and not figure out what the issues are.
Now we know why the shot-to-kill rate has been so high. Apparently the Army is still teaching "Spray N Pray" instead of Marksmanship.
Ropeadope, I live right outside Camp Rudder. I see "soldiers" with "marksmanship" badges regularly. When a soldier gets qualifying points for hitting a target with a ROCK, I say they aren't teaching marksmanship.
Put your troops with open sights on a KD course with targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards. Teach them to shoot and qualify them there, THEN put them on Combat Simulations.
I've spent the majority of my adult life in the U.S. Army. You think Camp James E. Rudder has passed me by somehow ? I don't think so.
Trust me, what ever you can think of, my Teams, platoons and companies have Been there and done that.
Your not impressing me by throwing out drills that have been repeated day in and day out for years. IN my case, since 1982.
Maybe, just maybe I've seen a long range or two? a shoothouse? a MOUT op ? Maybe even a sniper course, SOTIC maybe ?
I don't care about "Marksmenship" badges, they prove nothing but that the soldier has met a standard, generally speaking in the prone posistion, not on the move, nor in a shoothouse, nor out to 800 meters +
What you suggested is and has been done, long before this war in both theaters was ever dreamed of.
I'm so proud of you. Thank you for your service. I didn't mention Camp Rudder to impress you, just to let you know I don't live someplace where I'd never meet soldiers.
Your service and background are not and were not the subject of discussion here. The topic involves techniques for those with lesser rifle skills and experience to learn to shoot better. Your nonchalant I-prefer-to-pull-the-trigger-and-see-what-happens attitude did not contribute to that. Since it also reflects the attitude of many of the soldiers I've met, I thought you were serious and suggested the Army should adopt actual marksmanship training at an earlier stage in training.
In recent years, yes the marksmenship training at the BCT level has improved. A result of the current wars and lessons learned on the ground. The Army has alway's fell behind in basic marksmenship at the entry level vs what Marine Corps recruits recive at PI. This however is not the case, in my humble opinion, anymore.
At the end of the day I would rather be training soldiers with live pops than dry fireing. That's just me.
Thanks for the clarification.
We're good then. I loved training with live pops after the basic skills have been learned.
Some here have the training to make 800 -1000 yard shots or be involved in EITHER side of a house-to-house, others have only attended the requisite course for their CCW. Many fall between these points. It is my opinion that threads like this, and those under the Survival topic are intended to give the less experienced tips on how they can improve.
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