Flint Police came to my house today and......

[Icemanii]

I think that you've missed the point, in the man's back yard he can carry a gun as he pleases, as long as he is not threatening anyone he is not breaking any laws. The law breakers were the one's who claimed he was waiving the weapon around, filing a false police report is a crime in most places

Didn't miss the point at all actually. My statement was it is Flint, a very dangerous city. Where in Flint he lives, only he knows for sure, but since he was okay with the officers response indicates to me closer to the city center.

Actually he didn't state backyard, but indicated he was with his back towards the road. That implies side or front yard, line of sight of the street.

No where did I say the officers actions were correct, only that I understand the response due to the city, the cutbacks the PD has gone thru, and the nature of the call.

As for a false police report, if it was called in from a pay as you go cell, no real way of tracing the call or the caller. Again, limited resources for the PD, means doubtful they will follow up on it.

Bottom line? Sure I will get slammed for my opinions, but they are what they are. The officers were responding to a call, the OP was well within his rights to carry when and how he was, and it all ended well.
I would even venture to say he has a good idea, if it was one of his neighbors, which one dislikes him enough to place the call.

 

[MasterGadgets]

If it were me, in the future, I would open carry all the time in my yard.

 

[XD40scinNC]

It's Flint, not like a lot of places. That the PD showed up at all is surprising. Not surprised that they took a gun call seriously (once they decided to send someone).

So you are saying that harassment of citizens by city cops is the normal in Flint?

In NC, I must have my permit and ID on me if I am concealed, BUT NOT on my own damn property.

I can also carry open without my permit OR ID anyplace it is legal to carry a firearm. If I have my shorts on, and open carrying my gun, I don't have to 'hide it' to go to the mail box, or walk my dogs down the road.

Cops get used to citizens rolling over and surrendering their rights, and to play their game only fosters that mindset in the cops. The cop could stand on the sidewalk or in the street and ask you questions. You have NO obligation to even identify yourself to them. What would their 'probably cause' be for thinking you were vandalizing the home by planting flowers or weeding?

 

[CapGun]

Just some perspective about why they even bothered to answer the call and questioned the OP right or wrong. I can imagine the pain in the A idiot neighbor's call. "Hello I want to report a man with a gun in his yard" Dispatcher: First he is allowed to have a gun in his yard. How do you know it was a gun? Neighbor: Uhhh ummm well, well oh yah. He was waving it all around like a maniac!
There you have the genesis of why the PD had to show up.

 

[Danmc]

Sounds like the experiance went well. I live in a less than desirable neighborhood, not terrible, but not great. I do not carry openly on my property, only concealed. Why? I do not want the neighbors knowing I have a gun because of fear that I will come home from work to find my house burglarized by somebody hoping to find my guns.

 

[Icemanii]

So you are saying that harassment of citizens by city cops is the normal in Flint?

In NC, I must have my permit and ID on me if I am concealed, BUT NOT on my own damn property.

I can also carry open without my permit OR ID anyplace it is legal to carry a firearm. If I have my shorts on, and open carrying my gun, I don't have to 'hide it' to go to the mail box, or walk my dogs down the road.

Cops get used to citizens rolling over and surrendering their rights, and to play their game only fosters that mindset in the cops. The cop could stand on the sidewalk or in the street and ask you questions. You have NO obligation to even identify yourself to them. What would their 'probably cause' be for thinking you were vandalizing the home by planting flowers or weeding?

Starting to get the impression you and I are going to disagree on everything. Oh well.

If you don't know Flint, then I can't explain it. Imagine a little Detroit, car makers bailing on the city, city finances going downhill, extreme budget cuts in the PD. Corruption in high places, moral low, lots of crime. PD understaffed, overworked. If they were responding at all to a gun call, they would be cautious.

Read the statutes MCL 324.1608 Michigan Legislature - Section 324.1608 and MCL 750.81d Michigan Legislature - Section 750.81d . Both of these statutes define as a crime one who resists or obstructs an officer in the performance of his or her duties or enforcement of the law. Regardless of whether asking for ID could be considered performance of duties (which it most certainly is) or enforcing the law OR even if the refusal is not considered resisting/obstructing, would it be worth hiring an attorney to fight it?

Just my extremely humble opinion.

 

[tricolordad]

Concealed means concealed. This could have gone way worse. Dress differently and do a bend over test before going outside . The life you save may well be yours.

You're an idiot. Nobody will shoot him. He was on his own property, in a state where open carry is legal. All that happened was his CC became OC for a few minutes. I OC all the time and never once has a anyone tried to shoot me. At least the cops were on your side. And never apologize for exercising your 2A rights. Your CC came undone, but OC is legal. To apologize will be taken by the left as an admission that you're trying to prove something, which we both know you are not.

 

[tricolordad]

Sounds like the experiance went well. I live in a less than desirable neighborhood, not terrible, but not great. I do not carry openly on my property, only concealed. Why? I do not want the neighbors knowing I have a gun because of fear that I will come home from work to find my house burglarized by somebody hoping to find my guns.

Or leave your driveway littered with casings so it sparkles even at night! Personally, I leave shot up old appliances put at the edge of my "shootin lane" and it scares people lmao

 

[XD40scinNC]

Starting to get the impression you and I are going to disagree on everything. Oh well.

If you don't know Flint, then I can't explain it. Imagine a little Detroit, car makers bailing on the city, city finances going downhill, extreme budget cuts in the PD. Corruption in high places, moral low, lots of crime. PD understaffed, overworked. If they were responding at all to a gun call, they would be cautious.

Read the statutes MCL 324.1608 Michigan Legislature - Section 324.1608 and MCL 750.81d Michigan Legislature - Section 750.81d . Both of these statutes define as a crime one who resists or obstructs an officer in the performance of his or her duties or enforcement of the law. Regardless of whether asking for ID could be considered performance of duties (which it most certainly is) or enforcing the law OR even if the refusal is not considered resisting/obstructing, would it be worth hiring an attorney to fight it?

Just my extremely humble opinion.

Does MI mandate that it is a crime to NOT have identification on you?
Does MI CCW permit require that you have it on you, when on YOUR property?
Are private property right non-existent in MI?
If you are on your own damn property, and not breaking a law, politely ask the cops to leave and tell them to have a nice day, and maybe go arrest someone that is actually breaking a law.

The fact that the crime rate sucks there, an understaffed police force has time to harass honest citizens pretty much demonstrates the problem in Flint.

I play by the rules when out in public, and I do carry my ID and CHP if I am carrying concealed. In fact my deep concealment rig even has a pocket to carry my ID and CHP. If I walk the dogs in my neighborhood, and open carrying (more for bears and rabid foxes or racoons than bg's), I don't bother with ID or permit. And in MY yard, I carry how I want, and don't worry about having ID or permit.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Boy! I cannot stress enough how glad I am that I live in Vermont and I don't have to deal with all this BS!
I don't know how you guys put up with it all!


Sent from behind enemy lines.

 

[Itstjs]

Didn't miss the point at all actually. My statement was it is Flint, a very dangerous city. Where in Flint he lives, only he knows for sure, but since he was okay with the officers response indicates to me closer to the city center.

Actually he didn't state backyard, but indicated he was with his back towards the road. That implies side or front yard, line of sight of the street.

No where did I say the officers actions were correct, only that I understand the response due to the city, the cutbacks the PD has gone thru, and the nature of the call.

As for a false police report, if it was called in from a pay as you go cell, no real way of tracing the call or the caller. Again, limited resources for the PD, means doubtful they will follow up on it.

Bottom line? Sure I will get slammed for my opinions, but they are what they are. The officers were responding to a call, the OP was well within his rights to carry when and how he was, and it all ended well.
I would even venture to say he has a good idea, if it was one of his neighbors, which one dislikes him enough to place the call.

I was in the front yard, and according the the Plain clothed officer a marked unit was flagged down and made aware of me apparently waving my gun around and how it was now "sticking out of my shirt"

As for the other guy who said I needed to do a bend test, I highly doubt with the amount of yard work I was doing that day a bend test would have done anything for me, I was constantly bending over and standing up, lifting heavy bags and all that other good stuff, if anything, I put too much faith in a holster, lesson learned here is PD isnt as bad as I thought, and I found out I wont panic when LEOs show up regarding my weapon, I stayed calm, cool and collective, and in my opinion had a good encounter from Police which isnt the case for everyone.

As far as the complainant, Im not worried about finding out who they are, hopefully the end result [nothing done] by the Police will show the liberal hippie, not everyone with a gun is evil, maybe lesson learned from them, but any further action by the police is doubtful. Almost 15 minutes after the Police left my house they had an apparent shooting over on the north
side and a follow-up foot chase [all according to Flint Police Operations public scanner postings]

I usually Open Carry in my yard, being Flint Id like everyone to know I have a weapon, and because its more convenient when Im doing alot of work, but because of the new holster, I wanted to break it in. My mistake apparently, another lesson learned I guess. I didnt feel as if I were harassed, I know if I called on a REAL man with a gun, I would appreciate the Police took proper precautions and addressed the complaint, and obviously, the Police had no way of knowing if it was my property or not.

 

[Icemanii]

Does MI mandate that it is a crime to NOT have identification on you?
Does MI CCW permit require that you have it on you, when on YOUR property?Are private property right non-existent in MI?
If you are on your own damn property, and not breaking a law, politely ask the cops to leave and tell them to have a nice day, and maybe go arrest someone that is actually breaking a law.

The fact that the crime rate sucks there, an understaffed police force has time to harass honest citizens pretty much demonstrates the problem in Flint.

I play by the rules when out in public, and I do carry my ID and CHP if I am carrying concealed. In fact my deep concealment rig even has a pocket to carry my ID and CHP. If I walk the dogs in my neighborhood, and open carrying (more for bears and rabid foxes or racoons than bg's), I don't bother with ID or permit. And in MY yard, I carry how I want, and don't worry about having ID or permit.

From the MI State Police Website regarding Concealed Carry.

An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall have the license in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.
Failure to possess CPL license when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and a $100.00 fine.
Upon request, an individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall show both of the following to a police officer:
His or her license to carry a concealed pistol
His or her driver license or personal identification card
Failure to show CPL license and Michigan driver license or Michigan personal identification card when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and $100.00 fine.

To be honest, in reading the last post from the OP, he is even okay with the outcome. Not going to keep going, as I stated, thinking for some reason you and I will disagree on most things.

 

[Nightmare45]

In Texas an Leo entering your property without a complaint or warrant is guilty of felony criminal trespass, I would have to the officer have a nice day, I am standing on property under my control, would you like an Ice Tea???

 

[XD40scinNC]

From the MI State Police Website regarding Concealed Carry.

An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall have the license in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.
Failure to possess CPL license when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and a $100.00 fine.
Upon request, an individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall show both of the following to a police officer:
His or her license to carry a concealed pistol
His or her driver license or personal identification card
Failure to show CPL license and Michigan driver license or Michigan personal identification card when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and $100.00 fine.

To be honest, in reading the last post from the OP, he is even okay with the outcome. Not going to keep going, as I stated, thinking for some reason you and I will disagree on most things.

On your own damn property..... well good luck up there in the next communist state. Whom can you blame. Oh yes, the people elected by the citizens of MI.

I also have to have my CHP with me when concealed and NOT on my property. I have carried concealed all day, in my home, on my property, and my CHP has been in my wallet, on my dresser. When I went to the store, I took my ID and CHP with me.

 

[XD40scinNC]

Also if your a cpl holder the gun don't have to be registered to you aslong as it is registered. However if it is not to you be sure your borrowed gun has the registration with it while in your possession. If it is registered to you aslong as it has been atleast 30 days then you don't have to carry the registration

You also have to "register" guns in MI, and carry it with you?

 

[Deserteagle]

If by chance a LE showed up and while I was on MY land said anything like that to me I would have asked do you have a warrant if not go away.

Except for the fact that they wouldn't need a warrant to detain you in your front yard as they conduct an investigation into whether or not any crime occurred.

In Texas an Leo entering your property without a complaint or warrant is guilty of felony criminal trespass, I would have to the officer have a nice day, I am standing on property under my control, would you like an Ice Tea???

If the cops had reasonable suspicion a crime occurred, such as seeing you with a gun and having a report of you waving it around, they wouldnt need any warrant to detain you if they come up to you in your front yard.

 

[XD40scinNC]

Except for the fact that they wouldn't need a warrant to detain you in your front yard as they conduct an investigation into whether or not any crime occurred.




If the cops had reasonable suspicion a crime occurred, such as seeing you with a gun and having a report of you waving it around, they wouldnt need any warrant to detain you if they come up to you in your front yard.

I see you live in CO, did you elect the politicians that are actively stripping the rights of CO residents, as guaranteed under the Constitution of the US? You sure sound like you approve.

If a citizen makes such a claim, and it is not witnessed by a LEO, let them officially file a complain, not just some chicken little, or more correctly chicken sh!t anonymous report.

G-damned surrender monkeys are sinking our freedoms as fast as the bastards in power try to grab them

 

[Deserteagle]

I see you live in CO, did you elect the politicians that are actively stripping the rights of CO residents, as guaranteed under the Constitution of the US? You sure sound like you approve.

If a citizen makes such a claim, and it is not witnessed by a LEO, let them officially file a complain, not just some chicken little, or more correctly chicken sh!t anonymous report.

G-damned surrender monkeys are sinking our freedoms as fast as the bastards in power try to grab them

You seem to be confused about the powers of police when it comes to the 4th amendment. Maybe you should read on the issue before venting general frustration with government towards me

 

[R.Eliott89]

Boy! I cannot stress enough how glad I am that I live in Vermont and I don't have to deal with all this BS!
I don't know how you guys put up with it all!


Sent from behind enemy lines.

Amen brother, don't have to deal with it here in TN.

 

[Itstjs]

I see you live in CO, did you elect the politicians that are actively stripping the rights of CO residents, as guaranteed under the Constitution of the US? You sure sound like you approve.

If a citizen makes such a claim, and it is not witnessed by a LEO, let them officially file a complain, not just some chicken little, or more correctly chicken sh!t anonymous report.

G-damned surrender monkeys are sinking our freedoms as fast as the bastards in power try to grab them

According to MI law, Police were at my home investigating a Felonious Assault Complaint [thats what waving a gun around technically is being there is no technical term in Michigan regarding brandishing] the encounter went well especially under the circumstances, sadly in Flint, Police usually have to act, especially on a possible MWAG situation, and unfortunately, obviously the complainant was wrong, he/she did not stick around to file the paperwork, although I am sure the Police received a name of some sort, which again may or may not have been correct. Am I happy I had 3 Police w/ weapons drawn [pointing down] with my wife and son [7 mo old] in the front yard? Hell no. But then again, Id rather cooperate with the police than have guns pointed at me or be tased for no reason, although it could be justified by Police, and I am sure our Liberal Prosecutor would agree with them, Id rather not waste the time of myself and put my family through something unneeded or lose my CPL over sometime stupid,when all I have to do is kill with kindness.