Fan accidentally shoots himself in leg

[Firefighterchen]

The only way I can picture this happening would be if he was trying to lower the hammer on a 1911 style gun. I can't think of another situation where this would happen. Hopefully more details will come forward.

I could see him racking out the chambered round, then releasing the mag (but didn't realize his steps were backwards), then pulling the trigger to release the firing mechanism.

Anyone know what firearm he had?

So you are thinking he had a glock or XD type weapon. I will see if I can find anything on the interweb.

Not necessarily, just another form of brain fart that could happen with any type of firearm.

Did he have to unload it in the first place? In Washington it just has to be out of sight if left unattended in a vehicle.

Those that feel he should have his permit revoked, should people who have had one motor vehicle crash, with no injuries but to the driver of the vehicle, give up their license? Emphasizing the one crash, and a clean record otherwise. What about people who have cut themselves with a knife negligently? No knives for them? He made a mistake, if he makes it again, then I would say he is negligent prone, other wise he is just being human.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Does one mistake cause one to be "accident prone"? Especially when that mistake occurred while attempting to comply with a rediculous law?

My opinion, not that it's worth anything....
Write the guy a ticket for a $100 fine for negligent discharge of a firearm in a public place and move on. Then, if there is a second occurrence, suspend his permit pending completion of gun safety training. On third occurrence revoke his permit permanently and, in a state such as Washington - force him to carry his gun openly without a permit!

As for what constitutes "accident prone", that is a question you have to answer for yourself. When it pertains to guns and safety..... there IS no excuse as far as I am concerned.

So, the question comes to mind, just how much of the en toto body of Law DO you consider ridiculous? .... and how much do you ignore as a result of YOUR judgement? Are you Law Abiding if you selectively heed various Laws?

Again, my "concern" is simply for others around the accident waiting to happen. But we already have an idea as to your concern for others, through your "signature line", if nothing else.

GG

 

[NavyLCDR]

So, the question comes to mind, just how much of the en toto body of Law DO you consider ridiculous?

Actually I may have spoken without knowling all the facts. The subject was apparently attempting to comply with a firearms ban in the stadium - whether that ban was in place as a matter of law or policy, I do not know. I consider the ban on firearms in the stadium to be rediculous, regardless of whether it is law or policy.

.... and how much do you ignore as a result of YOUR judgement? Are you Law Abiding if you selectively heed various Laws?

So, it negates a person being a law abiding citizen simply because they feel a law or policy is ridiculous?

Again, my "concern" is simply for others around the accident waiting to happen. But we already have an idea as to your concern for others, through your "signature line", if nothing else.

GG

I am truly sorry if the fact that I place the safety of myself and my family over the hoplophobia of a soccer mom. I carry my gun in accordance with the law and in a manner which, for me in my location and situation, is what I determine to be the most effective way. There is no right for everyone to feel comfortable 100% of the time in public. If a person doesn't want to be around my gun in a holster on my belt, then they have the freedom to go somewhere that I am not present at.

 

[NCIC105]

Hope he is ok and will not have perm damage....

 

[Deserteagle]

This was no accident. This was negligent. I would pull his permit before he hurts someone else. In my world you get one SHOT at this.

What if you were sitting at home and as you are reaching for your gun, your finger brushes the trigger and it discharges into the ground. Does that mean you should not have a 2nd amendment right anymore?

 

[Caribou]

I once had a patient that shot himself in the abdomen while twirling his revolver. I don't remember exactly what I said to him but he certainly knew that I thought his actions were stupid. He heartily agreed. I am certain that many at the hospital communicated similar thoughts through words and facial expression. I feel certain that two things came out of this incident: 1- He is now far more careful with guns. 2- Hi friends will never let him forget. He was lucky, the passage of the bullet hit nothing vital and he was released from the hospital in a day or two.

We live in an imperfect world. Sometimes we are fortunate and we are able to hitchhike on some else's mistake but we all learn lessons the hard way. If we trip over our own feet, fall down the stairs and break a leg we have to put up with a cast for a few weeks and the ridicule of our friends for years. Trip over your feet and knock someone else down the stairs then expect to see the inside of a courtroom. Push someone down the stairs and expect free room and board from the State. My point is this, as a culture we traditionally punish someone depending on intention and outcome. When the only person hurt is the one who made the mistake, letting them get a walk on the first time seems right to me.

A cop friend of mine was shooting at some bad guys one day when all of a sudden his gun went off. He got by with only having to buy his roommate a new TV. It only happened once and twenty odd years later he retired from the police department. I never felt uncomfortable around him when he had a gun. Stuff happens, most of the time the lesson has been learned. Often learning that lesson is punishment enough. Why worry about something that is not likely to happen again? If it does happen again then deal with it.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

What if you were sitting at home and as you are reaching for your gun, your finger brushes the trigger and it discharges into the ground. Does that mean you should not have a 2nd amendment right anymore?

No, it means you need to take a couple of stupid reducer pills and see your shrink in the morning. "Yo, Doc. I need help! I'm a danger to myself and all around me. What can you do for me?" (You already have my verdict.)

GG

P.S. ....and if your trigger pressure has been "jiggled" down to the point where a mere "brush" will set it off...... take a double dose of above pills.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Carib: Confucious say; "Perfection may never be attained, but better (and safer) he, by far, that tries all the same."

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

"A cop friend of mine was shooting at some bad guys one day when all of a sudden his gun went off...." (?????)

Dry firing at BGs on TV? I can only surmise, considering the rest of the paragraph.

At any rate, one does NOT "practice" firing, drawing or any of the "be ready for anything" related actions with ammo in the gun. That is the very first step of gun safety. If you wanna "play" with it, unload it first. (DUH-UH!)

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

I am a bit concerned about the general attitude that "[crap] happens" and that it's OK.... yada yada. It happens to everyone...... MOST assuredly it does NOT!

In the case of weaponry, crap does NOT happen, stupidity DOES.

The significance? Stats indicate that more people are killed through "accidental" weapons fire every year than "good guys" dispatching "bad guys" in defense situations. (IIRC, 400+ versus around 200) I would much rather see MUCH fewer "accidents" and more purposeful dispatch of BGs.

Both "goals" are contingent on training. Safety training in the case of the former and markmanship (accuracy) in the case of the latter.

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Bottom line: I have other things I have to fret about in life without having to add worrying about if "John Wayne-Dirty Harry-Quick Draw Mcgraw-Mr. HOTSHOT" is going to have his (apparently "acceptable") accidental discharge in my vicinity.

Just sayin'.

GG

 

[NavyLCDR]

Bottom line: I have other things I have to fret about in life without having to add worrying about if "John Wayne-Dirty Harry-Quick Draw Mcgraw-Mr. HOTSHOT" is going to have his (apparently "acceptable") accidental discharge in my vicinity.

Just sayin'.

GG

I don't think we can classify a person who is attempting to comply with a statute, regulation or policy that requires him to unload his gun and store it in his vehicle as "John Wayne-Dirty Harry-Quick Draw Mcgraw-Mr. HOTSHOT".

This just seems to be another case of, "Let's put limitations on everyone else's rights to make the minority feel safer."

 

[Deserteagle]

This just seems to be another case of, "Let's put limitations on everyone else's rights to make the minority feel safer."

Going off what Navy said, there is a fine line here between taking away rights of some to protect the rights of others. The liberals will quickly jump onto the side of taking away rights to protect the rights of others. Liberals believe guns kill, so we shouldnt have them. People in this thread are doing the same thing and are quick to take away rights "before somebody gets hurt", rather than try something like educating this guy on how to properly unload his firearm. But according to some on this thread, its not the guy that is the problem, its the gun. So take away his guns and problem solved!

It is rather sad how some people in here are so quick to take away the right to bear arms, just like all the liberals who are trying to do the same thing.

 

[Warbirds]

Bottom line: I have other things I have to fret about in life without having to add worrying about if "John Wayne-Dirty Harry-Quick Draw Mcgraw-Mr. HOTSHOT" is going to have his (apparently "acceptable") accidental discharge in my vicinity.

Just say

GG

It sounds like your best bet it to never go outside. I hate to break this to you but you live in a world where people make poor choices. How a person reacts to the consequences will determine if they learn from their actions. This guy screwed up majorly, but if he pays the consequences and doesn't do it again, that's how we all learn. It sounds like you want to holds this guy to level of accountability that you aren't capable of meeting yourself.

But then again if you are going to hold a demonstration where you walk on water I'm sure we can find some lepers for you to heal as well.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Welcome to America, where acceptance of mediocrity is not only acceptable, but lauded.

As for poor choices, I present our sitting President as majority proof of exactly that.

Oh, and I do hold myself to a high degree of accountability. Nor do I look for "excuses" or a means with which to pass off responsibility for my actions, should I screw up. (But irresponsibility is another great American passtime I don't hold much truck with.)

You have, you know, already predisposed to "forgive" yourself should you ever be the cause of an AD. "Oh. It was an accident and besides, it happens to everyone. Right?" Then we are supposed to pat you on the head, tell you it's OK and send you on your merry way?

I have a different "take" on it. I go forth predetermined to NEVER have it happen to me. Period. Worse, I would be distraught to the max and wonder if I should continue to carry if it did.

I have managed to be involved with weapons for nearly half a century now and never a misstep. I intend to keep in mind to maintain that "record" intact.

You DO see the different approach to the matter between you and I? Yes? You are willing to forgive and forget.... and circumvent responsibility, thus tacitly allowing it to go on. I maintain that there is NO substitute for a perfect safety record..... Particularly when the very lives of those I am armed to protect may very well be the ones I harm should I accept anything less than perfection in gun safety.

Now, there ARE those who proclaim loud and long that the "right" to own and carry weapons are both universal and irrevokable. Be that as it may.... I stand on my contention that despite our "rights", there ARE people existant that own and carry guns that I wouldn't allow to have a potato gun.... such is their callousness and disregard for safety and overall "attitude" toward guns. We are thus required to "police" ourselves. If for no other reason than to prevent the anti-gunners from using our own stupidity as cause for ceasing our "rights".

Unfortunately, I (we) are forced to take the bad along with the good in this particular exercise of our "rights". Mainly because I would be loath to trust the "Authorities" to have the decision making as to who and who should NOT own guns.

Sorry, I'm NOT into saving others through miracle working. I have enough on my plate trying to stay alive through the "allowable" levels of "accidents" you seem so interested in defending. From the stats, I have a greater degree of probability of getting shot or killed by a fellow "legit" gunner than I do "counting coup" on "bad guys". I find THAT inacceptable. So should you.

GG

 

[JohnLM]

Accident or negligence, I bet it hurt like hell.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

There are few REAL "accidents"..... got BOO-KOO cases of negligence to draw from.

GG

 

[Warbirds]

You are the only one that has said to pat the guy on the head and let him go. Everyone else has started there are are consequences. If the guy mans up and deals with the consequences he is a much better person than someone that tries to put themselves on a pedestal and look down at others. There are many many many more ways you can screw up someone elses life than just with a firearm. But I guess you have never made a poor decision while driving, which by the way is much more likely to kill you that a gun, because you are perfect.

I fear more of people that claim to never make mistakes than those that learn from them.

Btw....how's the weather up there on your pedestal....... Those people "down below" you aren't waving with all their fingers..... Just an fyi.

 

[Grognard Gunny]

I don't think we can classify a person who is attempting to comply with a statute, regulation or policy that requires him to unload his gun and store it in his vehicle as "John Wayne-Dirty Harry-Quick Draw Mcgraw-Mr. HOTSHOT".

You are, of course, correct. I really meant to say "Dumb Ass!" but was trying to be nice about it. Even at that only when he screws up the "drill". (As is the case here.)

You will generally find that I have very little sympathy for self inflicted wounds, especially if predicated through carelessness and/or stupidity. My concern is more for the "innocent bystanders" that might get involuntarily involved while one tries to qualify for "Darwin Awards". (Worst case scenario, it could even be me!)

I have long decided that I am to meet my demise at the hands of a soccer mom behind the wheel of a three ton SUV with a cell phone stuck in her ear. (The odds seem to so indicate! LOL!) My objective, of course, is to try to beat the odds! Thus far, so good, despite many serious attempts at my life on the Nation's roadways over the years.

It's real easy! All you have to do is pay bloody attention to what you are doing! (Knowing full well that the average American's attention span is somewhat less than a 30 second commercial. More's the pity.)

GG

 

[Warbirds]

I think the one thing I have learned in this thread is that arrogant people piss me off.