Do You Support ANY Gun Control Laws?

[Coyote Blue]

Warning: There's a rant coming that at times my go off topic and then swing back around...



Our original form of gov't was a true Republic. However, the passage of the 17th Amendment killed that. Originally, the People elected the HoR who was then to select the members of the Senate... sadly, the 17A set up direct election of Senators and made the HoR irrelevant on all fronts, aside from a few publicity stunts (like now) in an attempt to convince We The People that we still control anything. The HoR was to hear from its constituents, determine Constitutionality and then put a vote on the floor. If it passed, it would then go to the Senate for further review of Constitutionality (not whether people wanted it) and then to the POTUS's desk for signature. Sadly, the 17A created direct, majority vote of the highest body of Congress... see: Mob Rule. Now, you have Senators voting/passing legislation simply for job security and NOT Constitutionality. The insurance policy given to The People was the ability to vote in/out Reps every two years, and with it... Senators who had forgotten their oath. Without a direct vote for Senators, The People could never vote Mob Rule... and Congressmen could never ensure job security unless they kept their oath to the Constitution. Keeping the true power at the lowest level, and with the most votes... kept the representation as true as possible.

Additionally, the expansive powers granted/taken to & by the POTUS has seriously removed The People's power... We The People, have become ineffective. By giving themselves the ability, to allow The People, to vote themselves other people's money... through the FED and the IRS enforcement arm... the expanded gov't ensured careers, wealth, corruption and ignorant slaves working their lives away for meaningless paper in exchange for elitist domination. The gov't figured out how to fool the people into giving every bit of Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness away b/c of false fears and promises of New Deals and Great Societies. Each step along the way, decade after decade... We The People could have stepped in and prevented every instance of gov't power grabs. We didn't, we liked the ideas of responsibility for our lives being taken off our shoulders alone and dispersed amongst the rest of society. We created an environment that lent itself to ever growing desires for other people's riches and the government couldn't have been any happier to oblige our requests.

Majority rule has always and will always lend itself to robbing individuals of their Rights, property and fruits of their labor for the benefit of society as a whole. America, present day... has nothing to do with Liberty or Freedom and everything to do with elitist power and wealth, a fooled and submissive people toiling away in a meaningless life filled with hyperinflated money, cheap entertainment, fleeting common sense and an inferiority complex that is only nurtured by hugging up next to the Nanny State. Completely oblivious as to the real reason that they aren't moving up the status ladder of life is that the guy next to him is taking his wealth, just like he's taking the wealth of the man next to him... all in an attempt to become somebody.

The soul crushing depression of such a revelation of this magnitude can only be over come with hope of rebuilding a truly better, more Liberty filled world for those who come after us... b/c our lives have already been set to be wasted in servitude or drowned in conflict. The world you think you know, has nothing to do with the one you're actually spinning through the universe on.

Red pill? Blue pill?

A truly great rant! :wink: The passing of the 17th Amendment, exactly 100 years ago in 1913, was the beginning of the end of our Republic. The Income Tax Amendment just preceded it. 1913 was a very bad year unless you were a fan of the Philadelphia Athletics.

We're in a very deep hole that Wilson,FDR,et al have put us in and digging out of it is going take many generations, if ever. Lenin's "Useful Idiots" are still hard at work,toiling hard everyday to turn us into a heap of complete Commie rubble. It's not very pretty.

 

[gunnerbob]

XD40,

You're lumping every criminal and persons with mental illnesses into that category...? That's like saying every Muslim is a terrorist or every Christian is a Crusader.

 

[Kramer1113]

I appreciate your heart-felt response but, no responsible firearms dealer would sell someone such as you hint towards, a weapon. Perhaps a criminal would, at which point the entire 'law preventing acts' thing has already failed b/c I just said a criminal was selling the firearms to begin with...

You smell my stink?

I Smell it, is that you?

Your kidding yourself, you assume no one would sell them a gun, that doesn't make it true. So the point is no point at all.

Take yourself out of the Lazy Boy, get down to the institution and see all the fine people you think should own guns. Don't be lazy. Know what you are talking about rather than speculate and guess.
The side I am defending is the current FEDERAL LAW. I do not defend State Laws as to many are greatly flawed.
The FEDERAL program works for us.

PROHIBITED PERSONS

1. Indictment or Information for a Felony - This person (indicted for a felony or has a felony information filed against him) has restrictions placed on his firearms activity. He may continue to lawfully possess the firearms and ammunition he already has, but may not ship or take them across State lines and may not acquire more firearms or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 , 5 years.

2. Felon – This person (convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year) is not allowed to knowingly possess, ship, transport or receive any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(1), 10 years. It does not matter what sentence the felon actually received.

a. Definition: § 921(a)(20), a felony crime does not include offenses pertaining to antitrust violations, unfair trade practices, restraints of trade, other similar offenses relating to the regulation of business practices; or the conviction has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession.

b. After a felony conviction, the felon must rid himself of all firearms defined in § 921 (a)(3) (except antique firearms § 921 (a)(16)) - that affect interstate commerce. If later caught with a firearm or ammo, the felon is guilty of violating § 922 (g)(1).

c. Interstate Commerce, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3, U.S. Constitution, “The Congress shall have Power…To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States…” In Scarborough v. U.S. (1977), the Supreme Court held that evidence that a firearm (or ammo) previously crossed State lines is sufficient to prove interstate commerce.

d. Relief from Disabilities – If a felon did not have his felony conviction pardoned, expunged, etc., he may apply for Relief from ATF under § 925(a)(1). However, Congress has not approved funds for the ATF to conduct Relief investigations for many years except for corporations.

e. Armed Career Criminal – A person who is convicted of § 922 (g) and has three previous convictions for violent felonies and / or serious drug offenses, committed on different occasions, must be sentenced to not less than 15 years in prison, § 924 (e).

3. Fugitive – This person (who flees from one State to another State to avoid prosecution) may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(2), 10 years.

4. Unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance – This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(3), 10 years. 27 C.F.R. 478.11.

5. Adjudicated a mental defective or committed to a mental institution – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(4), 10 years. § 478.11.

6. Illegal alien - This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: §922 (g)(5), 10 years.

a. Non-Immigrant on a Visa (tourist, student, etc) – This person may not possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(5), 10 years, unless the alien falls under an exception or has a DOJ waiver described in § 922 (2)&(3).

7. Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(6), 10 years.

8. Renounced U.S. citizenship - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(7), 10 years.

9. Intimate partner under restraining order - where both parties had opportunity to present evidence prior to issuance of order – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(8), 10 years.

10. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(9), 10 years. (Exceptions: a conviction that has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored, unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession; a conviction which did not have as an element the use or attempted use of force, 921 (a)(33)(A)).

11. Juvenile and Handgun –This person (under 18 years of age) may not knowingly possess a handgun or handgun only ammo: § 922 (x)(2), 1 year. Exceptions: he has the prior written consent of his parent or guardian for use in employment, in ranching, farming, target practice, hunting, or a course in the safe and lawful use of a HG; the juvenile is a member of the Armed Forces or National Guard; or as protection during a home invasion.

Source: http://www.fedcoplaw.com/html/federal_firearms_laws.html

 

[gunnerbob]

I Smell it, is that you?

Your kidding yourself, you assume no one would sell them a gun, that doesn't make it true. So the point is no point at all.

Take yourself out of the Lazy Boy, get down to the institution and see all the fine people you think should own guns. Don't be lazy. Know what you are talking about rather than speculate and guess.
The side I am defending is the current FEDERAL LAW. I do not defend State Laws as to many are greatly flawed.
The FEDERAL program works for us.

PROHIBITED PERSONS

1. Indictment or Information for a Felony - This person (indicted for a felony or has a felony information filed against him) has restrictions placed on his firearms activity. He may continue to lawfully possess the firearms and ammunition he already has, but may not ship or take them across State lines and may not acquire more firearms or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 , 5 years.

2. Felon – This person (convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year) is not allowed to knowingly possess, ship, transport or receive any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(1), 10 years. It does not matter what sentence the felon actually received.

a. Definition: § 921(a)(20), a felony crime does not include offenses pertaining to antitrust violations, unfair trade practices, restraints of trade, other similar offenses relating to the regulation of business practices; or the conviction has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession.

b. After a felony conviction, the felon must rid himself of all firearms defined in § 921 (a)(3) (except antique firearms § 921 (a)(16)) - that affect interstate commerce. If later caught with a firearm or ammo, the felon is guilty of violating § 922 (g)(1).

c. Interstate Commerce, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3, U.S. Constitution, “The Congress shall have Power…To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States…” In Scarborough v. U.S. (1977), the Supreme Court held that evidence that a firearm (or ammo) previously crossed State lines is sufficient to prove interstate commerce.

d. Relief from Disabilities – If a felon did not have his felony conviction pardoned, expunged, etc., he may apply for Relief from ATF under § 925(a)(1). However, Congress has not approved funds for the ATF to conduct Relief investigations for many years except for corporations.

e. Armed Career Criminal – A person who is convicted of § 922 (g) and has three previous convictions for violent felonies and / or serious drug offenses, committed on different occasions, must be sentenced to not less than 15 years in prison, § 924 (e).

3. Fugitive – This person (who flees from one State to another State to avoid prosecution) may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(2), 10 years.

4. Unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance – This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(3), 10 years. 27 C.F.R. 478.11.

5. Adjudicated a mental defective or committed to a mental institution – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(4), 10 years. § 478.11.

6. Illegal alien - This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: §922 (g)(5), 10 years.

a. Non-Immigrant on a Visa (tourist, student, etc) – This person may not possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(5), 10 years, unless the alien falls under an exception or has a DOJ waiver described in § 922 (2)&(3).

7. Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(6), 10 years.

8. Renounced U.S. citizenship - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(7), 10 years.

9. Intimate partner under restraining order - where both parties had opportunity to present evidence prior to issuance of order – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(8), 10 years.

10. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(9), 10 years. (Exceptions: a conviction that has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored, unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession; a conviction which did not have as an element the use or attempted use of force, 921 (a)(33)(A)).

11. Juvenile and Handgun –This person (under 18 years of age) may not knowingly possess a handgun or handgun only ammo: § 922 (x)(2), 1 year. Exceptions: he has the prior written consent of his parent or guardian for use in employment, in ranching, farming, target practice, hunting, or a course in the safe and lawful use of a HG; the juvenile is a member of the Armed Forces or National Guard; or as protection during a home invasion.

Source: FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS

Buddy, you've no f*cking idea what I know about mental illness. You're sorely lacking in the ability to understand our perspective of not wanting the gov't to be the enforcer and decider in who should be legally sold a firearm... I just love how you interpret my not wanting the gov't to decide who gets and who doesn't get firearms as my blanket desire to give mentally impaired people firearms. Please find my exact quote stating such, please.

On another note, perhaps I would get out of the lazy boy but being as that I have severe left stenosis that's pinching my left nerve root... an injury caused by jumping down off a HESCO with full battle-rattle b/c we started taking accurate small arms fire and rockets at FOB Shank during one of my, oh so relaxing stays I had during that luxurious vacation I took to Afghanistan...

Sitting down at this present time is the only thing helping to control the pain I have had everyday for the last three years.

A$$hole

 

[Kramer1113]

Buddy, you've no f*cking idea what I know about mental illness. You're sorely lacking in the ability to understand our perspective of not wanting the gov't to be the enforcer and decider in who should be legally sold a firearm... I just love how you interpret my not wanting the gov't to decide who gets and who doesn't get firearms as my blanket desire to give mentally impaired people firearms. Please find my exact quote stating such, please.

On another note, perhaps I would get out of the lazy boy but being as that I have severe left stenosis that's pinching my left nerve root... an injury caused by jumping down off a HESCO with full battle-rattle b/c we started taking accurate small arms fire and rockets at FOB Shank during one of my, oh so relaxing stays I had during that luxurious vacation I took to Afghanistan...

Sitting down at this present time is the only thing helping to control the pain I have had everyday for the last three years.

A$$hole

All that $hit still doesn't make you right.

Back at ya A$$HOLE

 

[gunnerbob]

All that $hit still doesn't make you right.

Back at ya A$$HOLE

Neither does your sh!t...

It's good to see somebody who's willing to dish it right back at me.

 

[Kramer1113]

Neither does your sh!t...

It's good to see somebody who's willing to dish it right back at me.

Prior Service Here gunnerbob, Just as Big an A$$HOLE as you.

Thanks For The Work Brother, Just don't give any guns to the nutsacks!

 

[Coyote Blue]

I believe we can continue without the vitriol. And Bob, I can feel your pain,being 95% deaf due to years of exposure to M60 and 50 Cal MG fire.
But you have it worse. Hang in there. Hopefully, life will get better.

Now, can we precede peacefully,gentlemen? :wink:

 

[gunnerbob]

Prior Service Here gunnerbob, Just as Big an A$$HOLE as you.

Thanks For The Work Brother, Just don't give any guns to the nutsacks!

See... and I wouldn't do that. Responsible citizens are the best mechanisms for controlling the legal/moral sale of firearms. Remember, criminals don't care what the law is... that law doesn't prevent mentally ill people from acquiring firearms. That is my point...

 

[gunnerbob]

I believe we can continue without the vitriol. And Bob, I can feel your pain,being 95% deaf due to years of exposure to M60 and 50 Cal MG fire.
But you have it worse. Hang in there. Hopefully, life will get better.

Now, can we precede peacefully,gentlemen? :wink:

I've got a thread in Off-Topic discussing my back, working on getting the surgery scheduled before Xmas.

Who wasn't acting like a gentleman? Just two dudes talking, name calling is an eventual happening.

 

[BluesStringer]

Criminals, mental patients, mentally impaired do not need to have guns.

Probably a good idea to not allow these guys to buy guns.

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And yet.....they had legally-purchased guns. So what did the gun control "preventing" the mentally ill from buying guns do to prevent the mentally ill from buying guns?

This is not a good argument for gun control.

Blues

 

[Coyote Blue]

I've got a thread in Off-Topic discussing my back, working on getting the surgery scheduled before Xmas.

Who wasn't acting like a gentleman? Just two dudes talking, name calling is an eventual happening.

It's a happening that would get you banned from every major gun forum except here and perhaps Glock Talk.

But hey, if that's the way it goes down here, continue to blaze away! :wink:

 

[Kramer1113]

I've got a thread in Off-Topic discussing my back, working on getting the surgery scheduled before Xmas.

Who wasn't acting like a gentleman? Just two dudes talking, name calling is an eventual happening.

Pray and prep in the ways the docs are telling you to. And for goodness sake when the surgery is over and the feel good meds are cranking, don't go weight lifting or anything like that!

Prayers Brother.

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[LB1973]

When are politicians going to start pushing for control on baseball bats,knives,scissors,hammers,screwdrivers,pressure cookers etc.
Let us not forget that box cutters were used on 9-11 where over 3000 Americans were killed.
Gun control is a complete failure.How is it helping in Chicago and D.C.?There is also that myth that allowing people to carry guns will create a Wild West scenerio and the streets will be covered in blood.This has yet to happen in AZ or Wyoming where unlicensed carrying is permitted by citizens.
Constitutional Carry SHOULD be the law of the land,in all 50 states.Whenever I say this,the antis accuse me of being crazy and of wanting criminals to carry also.I point out to them criminals ALREADY do carry,regardless of if it is illegal for them to do so or not.

 

[Coyote Blue]

Good point,LB1973.Got a poll all ready to go on Constitutional Carry. Alaska,Arizona,Vermont and Wyoming. ( CC only for WY residents. All others need a permit)

 

[BluesStringer]

Like gunnerbob I get a little indignant when someone suggests that they know more about the mentally ill than anyone reading their posts. My only sister suffered from mental illness all her life from about 10th or 11th grade up until she committed suicide at age 56. It was at least her 20th attempt. Her delusions were so twisted that her suicide note included blaming her only son for her troubles, but he had only lived with her for the first five years of his life. He had spent the last three years of her life trying to take care of her and help her through her many delusions. What he got for his efforts was the "privilege" of finding her drenched in her own vomit and piss with a hateful note pinned to her robe addressed to him.

I don't say any of the above in anger towards my sister. She was one of the truly mentally ill, and I have no anger towards her, nor foist any blame for how difficult being her brother was, because of that. I only speak about this in highly personal terms because I wholeheartedly believe that many, many people have first-hand experience with mental illness and don't need lectures from strangers on the internet to tell them what they don't know.

The incidence of mentally ill folks getting a hold of guns and going on killing sprees is so statistically infinitesimally small that to think that more government intrusions in our lives is justified by them is, in and of itself, a pretty good sign of mental illness. The only significant difference between someone like Loughner, Holmes and the others, and "run of the mill" killers is that those with a history of mental illness that comes out after their crimes are committed get more press and are used for political fodder to impose more useless and ineffective gun control on the sane and law abiding. And I don't know of a single proven incidence of someone committed to a psychiatric facility first, getting a hold of a gun and, second, finding their way out of the facility to go kill people. Visiting one of those facilities would do absolutely nothing to justify government passage of more gun control laws. Having a nearly life-long, first-hand experience with debilitating mental illness in my sister did nothing to justify more laws either.

The "Yes" voters in this thread are engaging in canard-o'-matic kinds of arguments. On a gun rights site there are actually people who answer "Yes" to a question about gun control. How does that happen? Only someone who was mentally ill would lobby for laws that basically say, "Oppress me, oppress me!" Let the government get involved in defining mental illness as it relates to gun ownership, and I'll guaran-damn-tee ya that all it will accomplish is a shifting definition of mental illness until it applies to virtually all of us.

Shall not be freakin' infringed. Learn it, live it, love it. Molon Labe gun-grabbers. Put your money where your mouths are, and Molon Labe!

Blues

 

[wolf_fire]

I agree.
If we suppose for a moment the "Government" coming for our guns, do you really think in this day and age they could do it? I don't.
I'm not lining up to hand over my guns, ever. Read up on what our government did to the citizenry who tried to stay and protect their belongings in New Orleans when Katrina came through. Our government can and has taken our guns away. I provide a fact, you provide an opinion.

I am not advocating for mental health testing prior to buying a gun either.
I have seen real mental illness. It is a painful and ugly truth that many people face.

Most of the people on this forum consider themselves "Doers" those able to get the job done.
What I am asking all the "Doers" to do, is take an hour out of your life and visit a facility where the mentally ill are being "treated".
Tell the people at the door why you are there. If they permit you to experience mental illness you will come away knowing those people should not own a gun. For our protection and their own.

Mental Illness is not the Funny Face of "Howlin Mad Merdock" of the A-Team.
The Mentally Ill do not know its wrong to shoot someone, thus the Insanity plea.
How can it be advocated that these people should be allowed to own a gun?

One of the posters asked those who are opposed to any gun control not to be emotional. Yet, you ask us to visit a mental health facility and have our heart strings tugged by how cruel and insensitive mental health issues are and how out of touch those with a mental health issue are with reality and then use this emotional outcry to say that no one with mental health issues should be allowed a gun. On the part of "should", I agree. On the part of the government regulating it, I completely disagree. There is a reason why the words "shall not be infringed" exist on the 2nd Amendment, when it was clear when the Constitution was written that these rights were inalienable from the government and none of them were to be infringed. Why did the 2nd get special consideration. The reason being is because our forefathers realized that there is not a soul that can be trusted to limit this right correctly. I know people that have been treated by a psychologist. I know some that are being treated with Lithium for their condition. I knew one that did not even know what world he was in, truly sad. How do you write a piece of legislation to differentiate those people? Even if it could be done, at what point does the limiting legislation stop? This is the problem with any gun control legislation. There is more to lose with allowing it, then there ever is to gain.

 

[wolf_fire]

Criminals, mental patients, mentally impaired do not need to have guns.

Probably a good idea to not allow these guys to buy guns.

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Anyone who is a danger to society whether it be due to criminal acts or mental issues, should either have stayed in prison or a mental facility. Neither places allow weapons. Your point?

 

[nosreme]

Anyone who is a danger to society whether it be due to criminal acts or mental issues, should either have stayed in prison or a mental facility. Neither places allow weapons. Your point?

How easy it is for those myopically working the ideologically pure, absolutist 2A agenda to ignore the realities that neither the world nor the legal system works that way. Some people should not have guns. They will usually be released from prisons and mental institutions at some point as defined by law. That doesn't change because you don't like the law. It's the business of lawmakers and judges to maximize public safety with minimal intrusion into gun rights. The usual and predictable "camel's nose under the tent" rhetoric does not change that.

 

[wolf_fire]

I Smell it, is that you?

Your kidding yourself, you assume no one would sell them a gun, that doesn't make it true. So the point is no point at all.

Take yourself out of the Lazy Boy, get down to the institution and see all the fine people you think should own guns. Don't be lazy. Know what you are talking about rather than speculate and guess.
The side I am defending is the current FEDERAL LAW. I do not defend State Laws as to many are greatly flawed.
The FEDERAL program works for us. I will show in red how the FEDERAL program does NOT work for us.

PROHIBITED PERSONS

1. Indictment or Information for a Felony - This person (indicted for a felony or has a felony information filed against him) has restrictions placed on his firearms activity. He may continue to lawfully possess the firearms and ammunition he already has, but may not ship or take them across State lines and may not acquire more firearms or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 , 5 years.

2. Felon – This person (convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year) is not allowed to knowingly possess, ship, transport or receive any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(1), 10 years. It does not matter what sentence the felon actually received. Why should non-violent felons not be allowed this? Explain that to me.

a. Definition: § 921(a)(20), a felony crime does not include offenses pertaining to antitrust violations, unfair trade practices, restraints of trade, other similar offenses relating to the regulation of business practices; or the conviction has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession.

b. After a felony conviction, the felon must rid himself of all firearms defined in § 921 (a)(3) (except antique firearms § 921 (a)(16)) - that affect interstate commerce. If later caught with a firearm or ammo, the felon is guilty of violating § 922 (g)(1). So a felon, no matter the felony, no matter how non-violent the felony was has lost, after paying his debt to society, the very basic right of life, the right to self-preservation. Now anyone who is a violent criminal can take him down as a soft-target.

c. Interstate Commerce, Article I, Section 8, Clause 3, U.S. Constitution, “The Congress shall have Power…To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States…” In Scarborough v. U.S. (1977), the Supreme Court held that evidence that a firearm (or ammo) previously crossed State lines is sufficient to prove interstate commerce.

d. Relief from Disabilities – If a felon did not have his felony conviction pardoned, expunged, etc., he may apply for Relief from ATF under § 925(a)(1). However, Congress has not approved funds for the ATF to conduct Relief investigations for many years except for corporations.You are so right, this program works for us, we the people. Seriously? This program is NOT working for us.

e. Armed Career Criminal – A person who is convicted of § 922 (g) and has three previous convictions for violent felonies and / or serious drug offenses, committed on different occasions, must be sentenced to not less than 15 years in prison, § 924 (e). How in the world does this work for us? If you are a career violent criminal, why do you get a pass to come back to society after 15 years????

3. Fugitive – This person (who flees from one State to another State to avoid prosecution) may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(2), 10 years. And we all know how well fugitives follow the law. This one will stop 'em.

4. Unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance – This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(3), 10 years. 27 C.F.R. 478.11.A person who is high and out of his right mind, may not possess a firearm KNOWINGLY????

5. Adjudicated a mental defective or committed to a mental institution – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(4), 10 years. § 478.11. If the institution agreed to their release then they shouldn't be a danger to society. If they are a danger to society and they released them, that's the institution's fault, just like a jail releasing a dangerous felon. Lock em up, keep em there while they are dangerous.

6. Illegal alien - This person may not knowingly possess, etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: §922 (g)(5), 10 years. A person who is out of his right mind may not possess a firearm KNOWINGLY??? I agree, he may not knowingly possess.

a. Non-Immigrant on a Visa (tourist, student, etc) – This person may not possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(5), 10 years, unless the alien falls under an exception or has a DOJ waiver described in § 922 (2)&(3). If we have deemed these people as appropriate to living here, why did their Creator not grant unto them the same inalienable rights that we possess?

7. Dishonorably discharged from the armed forces – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(6), 10 years. If they were discharged for a violent crime, then they should stay in jail so they are not a menace to society, if not, then pay their debt to society/military, and then be about your way with the same rights as any other citizen.

8. Renounced U.S. citizenship - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(7), 10 years. Then kick em out!!

9. Intimate partner under restraining order - where both parties had opportunity to present evidence prior to issuance of order – This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(8), 10 years. Tell that to the wife with a PFA against her husband and trying to defend herself

10. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence - This person may not knowingly possess etc. any firearm or ammunition affecting interstate commerce: § 922 (g)(9), 10 years. (Exceptions: a conviction that has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or full civil rights restored, unless they expressly provide for no firearms possession; a conviction which did not have as an element the use or attempted use of force, 921 (a)(33)(A)). The domestic violence crimes in this country are completely screwed up. I've seen women jailed under DV who were trying to protect themselves from a violent husband. These woman need protection more than most.

11. Juvenile and Handgun –This person (under 18 years of age) may not knowingly possess a handgun or handgun only ammo: § 922 (x)(2), 1 year. Exceptions: he has the prior written consent of his parent or guardian for use in employment, in ranching, farming, target practice, hunting, or a course in the safe and lawful use of a HG; the juvenile is a member of the Armed Forces or National Guard; or as protection during a home invasion. The government should not PARENT our children in any way shape or form

Source: FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS

I'm so glad you are for this wonderful program that has taken rights away from people. :blink::blink: