Do You Support ANY Gun Control Laws?

Do You Support ANY Gun Control Laws?

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Should there be speech control or control on the 5th amendment since the dictators of congress they have the right to pass gun control? All these laws are for is to control people. War might have made me a "crazy" vet but than again Vietnam made my dad crazy I guess but at least we love the US Constitution to know that it's the only thing between freedom and being controlled or detained without cause.
 
Kramer1113 said:
The Mentally Ill cannot be allowed to own firearms. And who is going to define who the "mentally ill" are. Are we going to force doctors to release medical records to enforce this?
Convicted Felons should not be permitted to own firearms. If they are still a danger to society why are they allowed to roam in society? If they are that much of a danger, they should not be allowed out of prison, or they should have had capital punsihment
If someone raped and beat your sister or your mother, upon their release from prison you really want them to be able to purchase a firearm? Not me. Again, you make an emotional response. The real question should be, "who let a rapist our of prison in the first place?"
And... I don't want my 11 year old to be able to purchase a firearm. Then YOU, not the government, should keep him from doing so. The government should never be allowed to parent our children.

Gun control never stopped a gun crime. What it does is provide you, me, and the NRA with the statistics that Legal Gun Owners do not commit Gun crimes. We agree, so there should be no gun control.... oops, except some legal gun owners have committed crimes. But read my next two sentences.

I deleted all of your statistics about crime since you didn't cite one source. I will not be privy to disseminate information that I haven't had verified. Also, the 2nd Amendment is NOT, I repeat NOT about crime. It is about the right of the people to keep and bear arms for the protection of the land, even if that is protection from our own government.


We, The Gun community know there really is no gun control. I buy everything I want when I can afford it. You might... but not all can. There have been levied high taxes, and burdensome loopholes in order to gain the privilege to carry that are beyond some people's financial reach. Tell me that in NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, that those people have the means to buy whatever they want. Tell the citizenry of NY that they can get a 15 round magazine. You sir, cannot see how if it happens there, it can happen anywhere. Big deal, a $5.00 fee.
We need the stats on our side or the Liberals will lie and lie, and lie as they always do, and all those Obama Phone toting liberals will really impact what we do.

No Mentally Ill Can't define it properly and cannot enforce it without violating a patient's right to privacy
No Felons If they are still a danger, why are they "free"?
No Kids The family should have this jurisdiction, not the government. The Constitution is to limit government, not regulate behavior of the family or the people.
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My responses to your load of bull is in red.
 
wolf_fire said:
My responses to your load of bull is in red.
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Just to add... If someone's so mentally ill as to be a danger to society, they're probably stuck in a mental care facility somewhere. If they aren't competent, their family has to take care of them and it is the family's responsibility to control their access to guns.

Sure, there are plenty of very intelligent sociopaths out there, but they are either too smart to go around committing crime, or they're smart enough to get a weapon even with restrictions. The "Dexters" out there blend well enough with society that there is no way to regulate gun control in any fairness.
 
A guy I used to work with about 10 years ago served time in prison (3 or 4 years I believe) after killing a man in what was determined to be a self-defense killing. Why did my co-worker serve time, despite the killing being in self defense, you ask? Because he was a convicted felon, and under federal law, it is illegal for convicted felons to possess firearms. Never mind that my co worker's life was in jeopardy (as determined by a jury of his peers) and that he is alive because of what he did, he used a gun to do it, and because he's a felon, that's bad. If that isn't a perverted form of "justice," I don't know what is.
 
wolf_fire said:
Who the hell clicked "yes". :cray::cray::cray:



Update: Now there's five people who are in favor of gun control laws. Who allowed them into the forum. I demand a recount!!!

Update 2: Dammit, now there are 6. Why are the libtards growing on this site?
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Here are the now seven "Yes" voters:



A couple of them surprise me, but the other five don't at all. I'm sure there will be more, unless knowing that their votes are open to public view makes them not vote at all.

Blues
 
The only one is if your s felon and was convicted of a violent crime....that's it

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CoolClownFish said:
  • One who has spent most of their adult life in a prison as a result of repeated crimes
    [*=left]Habitual offender. It's not what they do anymore, it's who they are.

    [*=left]It all begins with ECONOMICS:

Many times they feel that they cannot get a legitimate job because of their past record so they resort to crime to meet they financial means. (housing, food, shelter, drug habit expenses...). They feel that no one cares about them and that begins with childhood. Many times they were abandoned or abused and in many times the parent was killed, missing, using drugs or flat out were not even around as they were growing up as a child. When that is established, especially when you are young, that mentality becomes hardened over the years, they have many days that they go hungry and they feel that they must do what ever it takes to eat. As the felony arrest grow, the more they get use to it. They become desensitized to the possibility of arrest and they become more and more violent.


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(Not really directed at you Clownfish- But, at those who seem to think more laws could help in anyway.)

We already have laws against criminals (convicted felons) from legally owning & possessing firearms. Please tell me how any more laws will help when the laws we already have in place have done NOTHING but make it more difficult for decent law abiding citizens to protect themselves?



Axeanda45 said:
If you cannot be trusted out in society, you should not be allowed out of prison......
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I would also add- if the judicial systems deems an individual worthy enough to walk around free and interact in society, then that individual should have the same right to protect themselves as everyone else.


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nosreme said:
This poll is really meaningless because of its use of the extremely broad (and emotionally charged) label, "gun control." That can include anything from mild and insignificant paperwork fixes to gun registration to limits or bans on purchase/possession/ownership. The only thing I support is a mechanism to afford additional scrutiny (a closer look, not a ban) of people with a history of mental institutionalizations not pursuant to court order. This is one of those areas where we could and should have a dialogue about better defining the balancing of public safety and gun rights. Demonizing those with different views from those held by the majority doesn't serve any useful purpose other than to identify those who respond emotionally rather than intelligently.
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It's funny that those you refer to as responding emotionally try to evoke those same emotions by trying to call those out that don't agree with them. There have been huge strides in the last few months in protecting our rights that are a direct result of anti gun radicals being very vocal in pushing their agenda. It has pushed a lot of people off the fence and into buying their first gun or getting a permit. What makes people think that being the most vocal and the most radical won't push people the other way?

This poll is even more worthless than the constant OC vs CC bickering.

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Firefighterchen said:
Those that want to take away arms from criminals, define criminal.

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Convicted of a Felony. It will not stop them from getting a gun if they really want to, but it gives Law Enforcement more violations to convict them of if they decide to go back to a life of crime.
 
BluesStringer said:
Here are the now seven "Yes" voters:



A couple of them surprise me, but the other five don't at all. I'm sure there will be more, unless knowing that their votes are open to public view makes them not vote at all.

Blues
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I "Outed Myself after I Voted" I am not ashamed of how I feel about this.

There are some people who should not own guns. If you've never met one go check out a facility that "Houses" the mentally Ill. My experience is much more personal and is the reason I will never change my mind on this issue.
My opinion of this came into my life. If someone does not understand mental illness they need to educate themselves. Go to the facilities and see for yourself a small sampling of those you would not want to hand a loaded gun to.

I agree that parents should "Parent" their children, but not all do. My 11 year old has a passport if he needed identification and he has a few thousand dollars in savings if he wanted to access his cash.

& The Justice System will never be able to correctly rehabilitate many convicted Felons. Rehabilitation rarely, if ever happens in prison. So, Wolf_fire would then leave them in prison I guess.
As part of the judicial system they are prohibited from owning a firearm, its part of the deal.
You want to be a gun owner, don't commit a crime (Felony).
 
Kennydale said:
The only one is if your s felon and was convicted of a violent crime....that's it

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What about those that committed violent felonies but were never caught or convicted? OJ Simpson and Bill Clinton were both violent felons but were not convicted with respect to Simpson and not caught with respect to Clinton (Juanita Broderick) for those youngsters on the forum. Now why do I call thm " felons" you may ask. Well the act of committing a felony by definition makes one a felon. Let's put it this way...was Ted Bundy a serial killer before he got caught or only after he was convicted. Is they guy stealing your car a car thief or do you wait until he is convicted? The point I am trying to make is that if you handed a joint of pot to your pal in Vietnam or at a petty in the 70's you are by definition a felon. Labeling people is a double edge sword. Why was a felon with a gun any less dangerous before 1968 FCA than they are now. The felon in possession law was passed by the Feds to prevent blacks from getting guns...check out the time line. Ronald Reagan signed the California law banning loaded firearms from being carried in public because the black panthers marched on the Sacramento state house. Clearly there are folks that should not have guns. I know of one that was buried in Arlington Cemetary after a long career in the military that should never have been allowed to have a slingshot. What about mental illness...if you believe in the God of Abraham are you loony tunes? How about if you look at porn on the Internet? Is obsessive compulsive a disorder if you wash you hands more than 5 times a day...how bout 50 times a day? There Will always be evil. We just have more of it now because God has been removed from the market of ideas, we have devalued life to the point that killing unborn babies is acceptable birth control, the traditional family is a pile of crap, and we settle for the very worst of mankind because e don't want to be labeled as judgmental, homophobic, racist, or misogynist. We are moral cowards...that is the only reason evil is allowed to flourish. Now you don't get to pick and choose what evil is...it has already been defined. You accept the definitions in their totality or you reject them in their totality. God bless nd Godspeed.
 
The key issue of those of us who do not support "gun control" is that time and again, thoughout history, what seemed mild or appropriate (common sense) measures to deter/prevent crime eventually led to the removal/confiscation of The Peoples' very Right to self-defense. Well, the recognition of that Right by law... a Right is a Right no matter who says it isn't. When left to the devices of gov't, eventually, despite the best efforts to only inact Constitutionally adherent restrictions on the People (an oxymoron of glaringly, obvious proportions)... in time, all is lost.
 
If you wish mental health to determine who should own a gun, you might want to make note of the fact that practically every single mass murderer in the US has been under the care of a mental health professional, and every single mass murderer has done so in a gun free zone. A thought who determines the mental health of the mental health professional???
 
Kramer1113 said:
I "Outed Myself after I Voted" I am not ashamed of how I feel about this.

There are some people who should not own guns. If you've never met one go check out a facility that "Houses" the mentally Ill. My experience is much more personal and is the reason I will never change my mind on this issue.

My opinion of this came into my life. If someone does not understand mental illness they need to educate themselves. Go to the facilities and see for yourself a small sampling of those you would not want to hand a loaded gun to.
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People in mental institutions don't own guns.

I agree that parents should "Parent" their children, but not all do. My 11 year old has a passport if he needed identification and he has a few thousand dollars in savings if he wanted to access his cash.

& The Justice System will never be able to correctly rehabilitate many convicted Felons. Rehabilitation rarely, if ever happens in prison. So, Wolf_fire would then leave them in prison I guess.

As part of the judicial system they are prohibited from owning a firearm, its part of the deal.
You want to be a gun owner, don't commit a crime (Felony).
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As a minister I have worked with quite a few convicted felons who are now walking around free. So, I counter your belief that rehabilitation rarely happens because almost 25yr of experience tells me otherwise.

My question to you is; Why would you deprive a person who has repented of his ways and paid his debt to society from protecting themselves from old enemies that may still be walking around free looking to harm them?

I just can't see how a believer in the Constitution that states "All men are created equal", can then add a caveat that says; "All men are created equal unless...".

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gunnerbob said:
The key issue of those of us who do not support "gun control" is that time and again, thoughout history, what seemed mild or appropriate (common sense) measures to deter/prevent crime eventually led to the removal/confiscation of The Peoples' very Right to self-defense. Well, the recognition of that Right by law... a Right is a Right no matter who says it isn't. When left to the devices of gov't, eventually, despite the best efforts to only inact Constitutionally adherent restrictions on the People (an oxymoron of glaringly, obvious proportions)... in time, all is lost.
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Here is the truth, it all comes down to the majority rule. That's what a republic is all about. With that majority things can change, most times that change is for the worse in my opinion.

Gunnerbob, do you believe you are in the majority? Are you on a firm enough platform that you can successfully defend what you believe to be the correct interpretation of the second amendment?

If you don't carry the majority you have to play smart. And that is a fight we are losing. The gun control laws in Colorado were not a result of people wanting to restrict firearms, it was about liberals knowing they could get elected on the issues of gay rights, women's rights and marijuana. Once they were in power they overstepped their bounds. And once they did the pro gun groups were able to bring in the support of moderates and some liberals to recall some of those that put the laws in place. Even that was a partial victory. Only 2 of the 4 they tried to recall were given the boot.

The people that own firearms seen to love to splinter, we struggle to have the same viewpoint or at times even have a civil conversation. Too many posts on this site and every other gun forum or blog site prove that. We have to pull together and stop losing the fight and then trying to recover. Taking the "I am the most patriotic" hardline stance is not going to win a battle and could eventually lose the war.

Going back to Colorado, it was the hardliners that pushed their advantage and caused the recall vote. Had they played it smart, strengthened their base on what they could agree on, they could have slowly passed whatever they wanted and turned the state hardcore blue. But they didn't play the smart game and now it is up to us to lose our advantage.

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Warbirds said:
Here is the truth, it all comes down to the majority rule. That's what a republic is all about. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4
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WRONG! If you can't get this right, I'm left to believe everything else you say or believe is false and backed by your own ignorance.

Fooling with you, b/c you mentioned this splinter thing..... Oh, yeah... you're still wrong about what a Republic is. The rudness wasn't sincere.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't answer your question. Truthfully, I do believe that there is a majority of GUN OWNERS when it comes to matters of gun control but they, perhaps, approach their stance with a bit of laziness. So, they meet in the middle b/c standing firm is too much work. As far as the non-gun owning public goes... well of course the vast majority of them believe in very limited to no firearms rights. That's why they don't own guns, y'know... pvssies.

Humor, anybody?
 
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gunnerbob said:
WRONG! If you can't get this right, I'm left to believe everything else you say or believe is false and backed by your own ignorance.

Fooling with you, b/c you mentioned this splinter thing..... Oh, yeah... you're still wrong about what a Republic is. The rudness wasn't sincere.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't answer your question. Truthfully, I do believe that there is a majority of GUN OWNERS when it comes to matters of gun control but they, perhaps, approach their stance with a bit of laziness. So, they meet in the middle b/c standing firm is too much work. As far as the non-gun owning public goes... well of course the vast majority of them believe in very limited to no firearms rights. That's why they don't own guns, y'know... pvssies.

Humor, anybody?
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Gunnerbob I sometimes struggle to put in writing what I'm thinking. So please clarify my mistakes.

A constitutional republic is supposed to protect the rights of an individual by rule of law according to what is set by the constitution. The laws are set by elected officials who are put in office by majority vote of the people. The laws are supposed to protect the individual but since they are created by the majority the laws are to be judged as constitutional or not by the judicial system. The judges are either elected by majority vote of the people or selected by and confirmed by elected officials. The decisions of the supreme court are by majority decision. Also the constitution can by changes by super majority of the people in the form of ratification of said amendment by the states.

Any issues there?

What our government is supposed too do and what it really does are in direct competition with each other.

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