tricolordad
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You're the one without an actual response. Just name calling.
Do you believe that a laser is beneficial on a CCW?
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You're the one without an actual response. Just name calling.
mappow
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IMHO.......without reading all the posts. (some of you need to take a break) I would say ANYTHING that aids and assists is beneficial. My wife just bought a S&W642 with a crimson trace. She does not have the years training I have but we're working on it. It assists her on exact placement on her second round follow up. I was taught two rounds, evaluate and repeat if necessary. I teach her the same way I was instructed. On her draw and clear, she hit 5-6" inch dia in CM, second round 2-3" at 3-5-7 yrd line. She's learning and it assists her. I'm pro anything that helps.
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
Your attacker or attackers do not have to be armed to be deadly.
You are finally correct!!! Laser sights are just one more tool that we can use to defend ourselves, so get over it already. You can also tell if your laser is on target faster than getting your iron sights on target, but you won't want to hear that, however, when you're bringing your pistol up to use your iron sights, you can see where the laser is all that time.
Okay, I watched the Tueller drill, but I'm not impressed because the people know what's coming and are set for it. In a real life situation, they wouldn't know it was coming. The people shown were also open carrying, it would be a whole lot different if they were pocket carrying or were using an IWB holster. What we are talking about, like you even admitted, is using the tools necessary, and laser sights are just one more tool, like the night sights on all of my carry pistols. Are we going to have to take those off, too, just to satisfy you, apvbguy?
apvbguy
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in most SD situations you will be dead long before you are able to line your iron sights or your laser sights. until y'all learn how to point shoot, you are all potential victims
Silvercliff_46
New member
Listen junior, I'm not only a vet, but a former Deputy Sheriff, trained in firearms by the FBI. I know guns, and how to use them. Don't lay your B.S. on me, because I'm not buying it. If you want to play "Rooster Cogburn" go ahead. I'm not even saying your wrong, because what you advocate is ok, if your in proper light so you can ID your target instantly, AND what is behind, and around it. Frankly I don't think you have it in you to admit you made a mistake. You just keep arguing your point no matter how foolish you look. So if you want to keep flapping your guns, be my guest, your just not worth the effort anymore.
Bttbbob
New member
A laser is just another tool. If it is your only method of aiming and it goes on the fritz you have a problem. Learn, train and practice all three types of aiming. Sighted fire, flash sight picture fire and index (sometimes called point shooting, reflex shooting or threat focused).
apvbguy
New member
another mall ninja? at 3 feet, which is what the majority of SD situations occur in, if you are properly trained you really don't need to do much more than pull the trigger.
any time you care to visit my little slice of FLA please contact me, we can go shooting at my FOP range and I guarantee you that at anywhere from 1 to 8 feet I will draw and fire and put every round into an 8 inch paper plate. if you want to play come on down
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Clarification please, if I put a laser on my firearm, I can no longer point shoot? Or use iron sights?
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Bttbbob
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Not saying that at all........In my experience once someone puts a laser on their gun, they let their other skills diminish. The laser becomes a crutch. Just saying it is a tool an nothing more. Not much difference than the sights on your gun. One falls off and all you know is sighted fire, ya got a problem.
I don't understand why you are such a jackass. Laser sights are tools that can be used in some situations. Not putting them on because you think you can point shoot in every situation shows a great lack of understanding because there ARE situations where point shooting would be downright dangerous. Those of us who have them are smart enough to know that and know that they are just one of the tools available to us. Quite frankly, I can't think of a situation involving potential victims from errant shots where I would want to depend on point shooting. I would much rather depend on my iron sights or my laser in that case. When I was much younger, I would point shoot jack rabbits from my tractor. Could I stop them in one shot? Sometimes, but I'm not stupid enough to depend on point shooting in a situation where other people's lives are on the line. Only a fool would do that.
My God, I hope you could hit something that large at that short distance. I was point shooting jack rabbits at 30 to 50 feet, and a lot of times on the run. Really, that's not much to brag about.
This is something I stole from Bttbbob on another thread. I think it shows there are a lot of factors to take into consideration before opening fire, especially when there are other people's lives involved.
TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
1-Failure to realize just because you have a gun, you are prepared to apply it in a practical application.
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
3-Failure to properly equip oneself. (Belt, holster, reloads,illumination and nonlethal weapons)
4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use.
5-Failure to understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and firearms safety.
6-Failure to understand Avoid, Evade and Escape Drills.
7-Failure to Train.
8-Failure to Practice.
9-Failure to maintain and care for Firearms and equipment.
10-Failure to carry at all times where legal.
Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun SchoolTOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
Finally, anyone who thinks that one type of shooting (laser sights, iron sights, or point shooting) will handle any situation is someone to avoid being around because they could get you killed.
TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
1-Failure to realize just because you have a gun, you are prepared to apply it in a practical application.
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
3-Failure to properly equip oneself. (Belt, holster, reloads,illumination and nonlethal weapons)
4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use.
5-Failure to understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and firearms safety.
6-Failure to understand Avoid, Evade and Escape Drills.
7-Failure to Train.
8-Failure to Practice.
9-Failure to maintain and care for Firearms and equipment.
10-Failure to carry at all times where legal.
Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun SchoolTOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
Finally, anyone who thinks that one type of shooting (laser sights, iron sights, or point shooting) will handle any situation is someone to avoid being around because they could get you killed.
tricolordad
Banned
another jackass that not only knows everything, but is better than everybody else at everything...is this on ps3 or xbox360?
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
My response was more rhetorical, and aimed towards apv...but I enjoy your posts anyways, and agree. Training is key. Period.
I believe it's called "aim bot."
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apvbguy
New member
I really couldn't care what you or anyone else can shoot, I carry a weapon to protect myself, I train to make myself better at protecting myself and a laser is a tool that will get you killed in a SD situation. you need to understand that microseconds can be the difference between winning a losing a battle and if you are too dense to grasp that basic concept, this dialog is over
apvbguy
New member
jackass? how clever.
now could you please elaborate on when point shooting would be downright dangerous?
AndeyHall
Active member
No. A guy at a local gun shop was trying to advocate them saying that if someone broke in your house you could often ward them off by just shining the laser at them. My reply was, a) I don't like moving targets and b) if they get out of my house that easy, they may be inclined to try again. Whereas a bullet wound or death may make them think otherwise. But that's just one reason I don't like them. Another is because compared to a bright ass light, a laser doesn't disorient the other person, and so if they have a gun, the red dot just gives them something to aim at. And normally the gun is in front of your body/head, so that's probably what they would hit. I believe that learning how to aim your gun without using any time of sights and just off of "feel" is your best bet for night time defense. You would have to have good enough composure to think to use a laser or night sights.
Timothy Bryant
Avoidinyew
I voted no, primarily because the odds of you remembering to activate the laser if needed in an emergency. Of course, you do have the lasers such as Crimson Trace which activate automatically when gripped but I'm going to be looking down the barrel rather than pondering where any laser dot is floating around on my target. I guess the laser could have it's time to shine but I don't see it as being practical or necessary. I'd rather spend the money on ammunition to practice or a good set of night sights for low light situations.
