Do signs work??


gunshrink

gunshrink

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We all know how it makes for lost business for stores just by reading the posts on this forum and others. What I wonder is if it actually gains business for anyone, that is people will go to the store with the "no guns allowed" vs the one that has no sign just because they know "no guns are allowed." Has anyone seen any research on this. As a business owner myself, (and I could be wrong) I always thought the idea was to get customers not drive them away...... just wondering. Will be interested in the feedback from others and if I get some useful info I may be able to bring it into my class.

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I have not seen any actual research on that question, it is a pretty good one. One could think that the anti gun crowd might flock to places that have the signs but I doubt it. Most of those don't pay much attention to what happens around them and I don't think they ever bothered to check any signs at a door.
 
I have NO statistics to share.

However, when I see a "No Guns..." sign posted on a small business, I realize that the owner doesn't want MY business and I'll go somewhere else.

In the case of a large, corporate business, I pay no attention to the signs anyway. In Nevada, the signs don't really mean that much unless you're asked to leave and refuse. I play poker daily (carrying concealed) in a fairly large casino that is "posted".

Here's the one that gets me though...

There are two gun stores in town that are clearly posted that CCW weapons must be unloaded before entering the store. I buy my guns, ammo, targets, etc. from another store.
 
I have a local shop here in indiana with the same sign. They also have a indoor range, and do the first shots program. When i asked the owner about the sign, he replyed it was because of his insurance they requested it. He himself thought it was kinda stupid, but he really didnt want to close his shop because of it. How true this is i dont know just taking his word for it.
 
Based on the publicity of the Starbucks boycott by anti gun groups I would say there is at least as many "active" anti gun business patrons as there are "active" pro ccw patrons. I have no statistics to point to but I would reckon that competitors of Starbucks and other similar businesses they have chosen to target see an uptick in business to a similar degree those places see an increase from ccw holders. Now with the increase in ccw holders growing that could shift I suppose.

As to the gun store, from a purely insurance standpoint that would seem to make some sense since there is a lot of handling of personal firearms that might not otherwise occur. Fitting holsters, comparing models, adding accessories etc thus increasing the chance of a negligent injury. And thats all the insurance company cares about, potential liability. In fact, I would not be surprised if most business that post these signs do so for insurance premium discounts as opposed to some anti gun belief system. In fact I bet we will see this alot more. More ccw'ers then statistically more accidents then more lawsuits. Openly banning ccw's would go a long way to limiting that business's liability exposure should an accident occur.
 
stepside454 said:
Low , I agree. So the gun shop is assuming that ccw permit holders are criminals. This logic amazes me.
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I have a hard time believing that the gun shop looks at CCWer's as criminal. But the shop owner must take into consideration and assumption is that any weapon, CCW or otherwise coming into the store, will, at one time or another, be taken out and handled for legitimate purposes. "I want to get new grip panels for my.."

What the shop owner cannot assume is that everyone that will handle their weapon will do so in a safe manner.

The local shop I got to has the same sign on the door. When asked "why?" I was told it has a lot to do with how much the average Joe does not train with the firearm they carry and a everything to do with liability insurance and lawsuits.
 
The local gunsmith I frequent has the sign up banning loaded weapons in his shop - with two holes in his walls where "unloaded" firearms have gone off. I can understand his concern.
 
do signs work?

Short answer...No its called a Conceal Carry for a reason, and the only time anyone would now if i was carrying is if i had to protect myself.
 
People are creatures of habit and sign or no sign will more than likely continue to shop where they always have. Many do not like to go out of their way especially with fuel prices today. Just my honest assumption. Thank the internet for another option too.
 
longslide10 said:
People are creatures of habit and sign or no sign will more than likely continue to shop where they always have. Many do not like to go out of their way especially with fuel prices today. Just my honest assumption. Thank the internet for another option too.
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Too true! Too true....
 
"Do signs work?"

We went to the local Ikea furniture store yesterday to look for a small dresser for our closet and they had a no guns allowed sign posted at the entrance.

So we went to a different furniture store and spent our $$ somewhere else.

Do signs work?
At losing 'my' business, Yes they work wonderfully!
 
The_Outlaw said:
"Do signs work?"

We went to the local Ikea furniture store yesterday to look for a small dresser for our closet and they had a no guns allowed sign posted at the entrance.

So we went to a different furniture store and spent our $$ somewhere else.

Do signs work?
At losing 'my' business, Yes they work wonderfully!
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This is exactly the point of my original question - I know that many of us will just not go when we see the sign unless it is some place that we have no choice but wondered if anyone would make the choice "to go" to a store due to the no guns allowed. Not talking about things like a Starbucks boycott - hell that made me want to drink more coffee, but someone who says "I'll do my shopping there because no guns are allowed." While anything is possible don't think that happens. This is helpful and will be brought into my carry class along with the "Criminals for Gun Control" video. Not surprised about the Ikea - we have one up here in Minnesota too that is just as bad. Remember reading a on a forum a year or so ago about a guy getting thrown out, cops called and the store willing to flush a $1,500+ order. Cops really hassled him too - followed to the parking lot, copied license etc. Some people just don't get it.
 
gunshrink said:
This is exactly the point of my original question - I know that many of us will just not go when we see the sign unless it is some place that we have no choice but wondered if anyone would make the choice "to go" to a store due to the no guns allowed. Not talking about things like a Starbucks boycott - hell that made me want to drink more coffee, but someone who says "I'll do my shopping there because no guns are allowed." While anything is possible don't think that happens. This is helpful and will be brought into my carry class along with the "Criminals for Gun Control" video. Not surprised about the Ikea - we have one up here in Minnesota too that is just as bad. Remember reading a on a forum a year or so ago about a guy getting thrown out, cops called and the store willing to flush a $1,500+ order. Cops really hassled him too - followed to the parking lot, copied license etc. Some people just don't get it.
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But don't you think that all of those people who boycott Starbucks and similarly situated business specifically go to business that prohibit guns? I suspect that many do. That was my point and that seems to be your question. Seems to make sense to me that that would be the case. Then again most don't care one way or the other I suspect.
 
I would imagine any anti gun nuts would frequent those stores. Just as we frequent stores we know are gun friendly. I think a large majority of people, don't care either way. Including both parties and those in the "neutral" area. IMO there is not enough of a swing either way to see marked decline/incline in business....just my .02
 
towboater said:
I would imagine any anti gun nuts would frequent those stores. Just as we frequent stores we know are gun friendly. I think a large majority of people, don't care either way. Including both parties and those in the "neutral" area. IMO there is not enough of a swing either way to see marked decline/incline in business....just my .02
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Completely agree. Besides I don't think the signs are designed to generate business for that matter rather they probably provide some insurance benefit for the premise owner.
 
Do signs work? Well if you ever have to direct traffic on a busy street at a traffic accident you will find out real quick they don't. Signs are there for others not me. Signs are a fact of life. Do no firearms signs work? Just read some of the posts here. Will these signs stop crime? Not likely. Best policy, if you don't like the store policy and/or politics, spend your money somewhere else.
 
I read on another forum something interesting regarding gun stores not allowing customers to be armed. They stated that it was because if a shif situation arises they want all customers to hit the floor and stay there while they handle the situation as all employees there are armed. Don't want to mistakenly take out a customer "trying to help".
 
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