Cop accidentally shoots self in elevator.

[BC1]

Another instructor, huh! OK, let me see how nicely I can say this: I've got more than 60 years of gun-handling experience that say the above remark CANNOT POSSIBLY be true.



NavyLCDR, the question you ask, above, is shockingly NAIVE! (You're joking, right!) :blink:

Let me respond in kind. NEVER gonna happen. Been around guns over 50 years and still no ND. Because using proper equipment and following ALL safety rules to a "T" works. Now yer not one of those people who thinks the gun will shoot itself are ya?

 

[NavyLCDR]

None at all. It's all in their head anyway. Some people feel the 12 pound trigger makes them safer.

Like the "element of surprise?" Bad guy attacks good guy. Good guy draws gun and yells, "SURPRISE! It's not loaded!" Bad guy runs away in terror. Is that the way the "element of surprise" works in conjunction with carrying condition 3?

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[Rhino]

Cop accidentally shoots self in elevator.

I've heard of shooting yourself in the caboose, but the elevator? That's a new one on me.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

How safe is it to carry with a round in the chamber? | Concealed Nation

 

[Rhino]

The better question is, how safe is it not to?

 

[NavyLCDR]

The better question is, how safe is it not to?

Two rules of thumb:

1. When skydiving - once exiting the plane, you have the rest of your life to deploy your parachute. Would you want to be carrying the rip cord in your pocket, disconnected from the parachute when you jumped?

2. In a self defense situation - you just might have the rest of your life to discharge your firearm to incapacitate the threat. Do you really want to intentionally insert additional steps in order to make that happen? Especially when the "dangers" of carrying condition 1 can be reduced to an insignificant level by following a few simple rules of safety?

 

[Oldgrunt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJMQupYxaw

The question of whether to carry with a round in the chamber, or not, is a question that will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction. I have a Glock 23 I used as an EDC but, I was always afraid of the trigger safety. I saw a video on here one time where a man had just entered his car with his wife. He had his Glock pistol with him and was preparing to holster it. He had an older leather holster and the leather had lost some of it's stiffness, a tab folded over and caught the trigger of his pistol, discharging it, taking a small chunk from his right hip, car seat and continued through the car floor. I love the pistol but can not feel comfortable carrying it with a round in the chamber. To remedy that worry, I purchased a 9mm Sig for EDC and don't worry now with a round in the chamber. Regardless of how many people favor one style or another, it is up to the individual to carry in a manner in which he is most comfortable. I don't like the Israeli fast draw with the Glock to load a round so, with the Sig, I can carry with a round chambered and not have to worry about the trigger safety. To each his own!

 

[BluesStringer]

Leave it to two badgefluffers to completely derail this thread. It's not about C-1 vs. C-3 carry - it's about a "highly trained" idiot cop who broke every safety rule in the book and caught a round in his gut in an instant karma case of poetic justice.

And don't worry badgefluffers, after a brief Internal Affairs investigation, the Department brass have determined the shooting was justified. This idiot cop will suffer no legal consequences for his many violations of both law and Department policy, he will be allowed to retire with full benefits, and after a short stay in the hospital, at least he made it home to his family in relative safety, leaving only his own idiot self to be in fear of from now on. All is well in Cop Land, but this thread has been highjacked by two of the most arrogant, self-centered, bloodthirsty cretins to ever "grace" the pages of USA Carry. Don't indulge their deflections from the thread topic. Neither one of them can allow cops to get their just ridicule and mocking. Reminder -- This is what this thread is about:

Blues

 

[Bikenut]

Well.... just from watching the video my impression (likely to be controversial) is that concealed carry is a method of carry that could result in the carrier shooting themselves just because of the danger of clothing interfering with the holstering process.

And I'm referring not only to the danger of the clothing itself getting in the way but also to the frustration/inattention/carelessness that the carrier could experience from having to deal with clothing getting in the way of holstering a sidearm.

 

[NavyLCDR]

There was one cause of this and one cause only - 100% stupid, no common sense, unnecessary handling of the firearm which was either never in a proper and safe holster or was removed from the proper and safe holster by the person carrying it. If carried properly, there is no need for the gun to come out of the holster once it is placed in the holster at the beginning of the day until it is ready to be stored at the end of the day, unless, of course, you are intending to shoot someone. And, actually, my firearm is stored in the holster at night anyway so my gun only comes out of the holster about once a week for a condition check. On a rare occasion I might have to store the firearm in my unattended vehicle if I am entering a school building for some reason, but I carry in a paddle holster that is easy to remove from my belt IF you are familiar with the locking tabs that keeps it secure - so in that rare instance the gun still never comes out of the holster when storing or when returning it to my belt.

We can come up with all kinds of ways to prevent the gun from discharging when playing with it when you shouldn't be playing with it - but the one real answer to this one is don't play with the damn gun.

 

[Bikenut]

There was one cause of this and one cause only - 100% stupid, no common sense, unnecessary handling of the firearm which was either never in a proper and safe holster or was removed from the proper and safe holster by the person carrying it. If carried properly, there is no need for the gun to come out of the holster once it is placed in the holster at the beginning of the day until it is ready to be stored at the end of the day, unless, of course, you are intending to shoot someone. And, actually, my firearm is stored in the holster at night anyway so my gun only comes out of the holster about once a week for a condition check. On a rare occasion I might have to store the firearm in my unattended vehicle if I am entering a school building for some reason, but I carry in a paddle holster that is easy to remove from my belt IF you are familiar with the locking tabs that keeps it secure - so in that rare instance the gun still never comes out of the holster when storing or when returning it to my belt.

We can come up with all kinds of ways to prevent the gun from discharging when playing with it when you shouldn't be playing with it - but the one real answer to this one is don't play with the damn gun.

Wise words indeed!!!!!

 

[Rhino]

The question of whether to carry with a round in the chamber, or not, is a question that will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction.

I disagree. I'm quite satisfied that it's ridiculous for me not to carry with a round chambered.