Center Axis Relock - Your Thoughts?

[JRM]

What happens when we (Paul's Instructors) are gone? Will CAR die because we can not make more instructors? Will car die with us?

Interesting...I had wondered the same thing. Did Paul ever memorialize his system digitally or electronically on some form of media? VHS? DVD? You Tube video? Manual? Syllabus? Outlines? Or did he allow his instructors to create their own materials with creative license to a certain degree? Basically, what I'm wondering is, did Paul have a written 'standard' that he taught from and insisted all his instructors used as well?

We should form a organization or association of all Paul Castle certified instructors and figure out what we are going to do. All companies should have the same standard and we should make more instructors (certified by our association) to be sure to pass on the torch...However there should be a standard so we all know he is approved and at the same standards as anyone else.

That's a very interesting idea! I like it. As a student of this system, I'd like the assurance that the training someone might receive in Florida would be at the same level of training we receive here in California. I hope this system can be memorialized so it will continue at the level in which Paul envisioned. This task may be difficult to effectively execute ... but it's certainly worth trying. From what I've read about Paul's passion to properly train LEOs/Military and civilians, I'd bet he would be very pleased with your suggestion.

 

[Shootinjh]

I have great respect for those in any arena that explore new techniques and add to the field of knowledge. I think having an association for CAR purists is a great idea. I hope that those of you that were personally trained by Paul will continue to share not only what he taught you, but that you will respect new pioneers that discover new and more effective modifications to his system.

Sometimes I think we deify those we respect, which is not the best way to honor their original goals. I did not know Paul, but I would suspect that his primary goal was to help people shoot more effectively in a certain environment... if Billy Joe Bob discovers this year that the technique is more effective while standing on one's tiptoes; I hope the BJB-TipToe is added to the CAR methodology.

 

[www.roninworldwide.com]

Well Paul told our entire Instructor class we could use any of his training materials and also provided us with PDF versions of both all the student manuals and all the instructor manuals. He said just put our company info on and and give him credit. When he was alive he also offered, to me at least, to fly out and help set up the first few classes. I am sure he would not want his system to die with him. However he had high standards. I know for a fact, even to wards the end, that he did not give people Instructor certificates if they could not perform to his standard. And I agree. We do not need some cowboy starting a diploma factory and cheapening the system or lowering the standards. Thats why we all need to be on the same page. Someone with the time should start a Accredited Association of Center Axis Relock Instructors. We could charge 5.00 a year to maintain a web site and if we do not approve your class your not a instructor. Sounds harsh but all we would really be doing is making sure someone called instructor really has a cert from Paul himself or from one of us. And that we are all using the same manual.

 

[Bttbbob]

Well Paul told our entire Instructor class we could use any of his training materials and also provided us with PDF versions of both all the student manuals and all the instructor manuals. He said just put our company info on and and give him credit. When he was alive he also offered, to me at least, to fly out and help set up the first few classes. I am sure he would not want his system to die with him. However he had high standards. I know for a fact, even to wards the end, that he did not give people Instructor certificates if they could not perform to his standard. And I agree. We do not need some cowboy starting a diploma factory and cheapening the system or lowering the standards. Thats why we all need to be on the same page. Someone with the time should start a Accredited Association of Center Axis Relock Instructors. We could charge 5.00 a year to maintain a web site and if we do not approve your class your not a instructor. Sounds harsh but all we would really be doing is making sure someone called instructor really has a cert from Paul himself or from one of us. And that we are all using the same manual.

I would see Paul at ILEETA events and his thought process was to only teach LEO and Military. I am not saying there are not LEO that trained with Paul that took his System and trains civilians. But Paul's civilian class did not say CAR System. I saw the diploma's. If there are Instructors out there with Paul's credentials great. But every loonatic in the world here in Florida is stating they are teaching the CAR System and I know for a fact they aren't. Maybe it would be great for y'all to get together and weed out the buckwheat from the B/S. I think Paul's civilian training was IPD not CAR. I maybe wrong. But one thing I know for sure is that Paul sure as hell didn't train as many Instructors that are claiming to be a disciple.

 

[www.roninworldwide.com]

true

I had a civilian and former military that was a civilian in my instructor class. They both received instructor certification in CAR and ACE. True Paul only trained Leo or military most of his life. However the lat year and a half of his life he trained a few civilians.

We do need something in place. At least a watchdog group like the stolen valor guys. Something.

I know of a civilian instructor that did not get certification by Paul and teaches a car class with no live fire. Only air soft.

I agree. There are people with only basic car out there who are now teaching. If Paul did not think they could teach his system why should we?

I think I am going to have to be the one to start this. I think just posting in a Fb page is how I will do it.
I will start a page soon. If your a real instructor and can prove it you will be a admin on the Fb page and can post your school website and email. I will need a certificate as proof signed by Paul or one signed by a car instructor that is established.

 

[festus]

I have tried it and I like it but am only learning at this stage of the game. I would love to see a set of instructional videos for home and classroom use.

 

[www.roninworldwide.com]

hmmm

It can not be learnt watching a video. If anyone made a instructional video I am sure Paul would climb out of his grave and kill the person who made it.
Demo videos are all over the net. You can even see it in the splinter cell game.
Not sure how to try it with out formal instruction. I know I did and did it wrong. What I thought was right from watching YouTube before my two weeks of training and living with Paul was way off. You should find a instructor.

 

[festus]

It can not be learnt watching a video. If anyone made a instructional video I am sure Paul would climb out of his grave and kill the person who made it.
Demo videos are all over the net. You can even see it in the splinter cell game.
Not sure how to try it with out formal instruction. I know I did and did it wrong. What I thought was right from watching YouTube before my two weeks of training and living with Paul was way off. You should find a instructor.

Thanks for the heads up...this will be another one for my bucket list...

 

[Standby]

I had a civilian and former military that was a civilian in my instructor class. They both received instructor certification in CAR and ACE. True Paul only trained Leo or military most of his life. However the lat year and a half of his life he trained a few civilians.

We do need something in place. At least a watchdog group like the stolen valor guys. Something.

I know of a civilian instructor that did not get certification by Paul and teaches a car class with no live fire. Only air soft.

I agree. There are people with only basic car out there who are now teaching. If Paul did not think they could teach his system why should we?

I think I am going to have to be the one to start this. I think just posting in a Fb page is how I will do it.
I will start a page soon. If your a real instructor and can prove it you will be a admin on the Fb page and can post your school website and email. I will need a certificate as proof signed by Paul or one signed by a car instructor that is established.

I think that is a great idea sir. Way to many pretenders out there (that was my orginal point) make sure the system that Paul developed continues as PAUL intendend.

 

[cmj0968]

I had a civilian and former military that was a civilian in my instructor class. They both received instructor certification in CAR and ACE. True Paul only trained Leo or military most of his life. However the lat year and a half of his life he trained a few civilians.

We do need something in place. At least a watchdog group like the stolen valor guys. Something.

I know of a civilian instructor that did not get certification by Paul and teaches a car class with no live fire. Only air soft.

I agree. There are people with only basic car out there who are now teaching. If Paul did not think they could teach his system why should we?

I think I am going to have to be the one to start this. I think just posting in a Fb page is how I will do it.
I will start a page soon. If your a real instructor and can prove it you will be a admin on the Fb page and can post your school website and email. I will need a certificate as proof signed by Paul or one signed by a car instructor that is established.

I'm looking forward to the FB page and think it's a great idea. There are those of us that are out there that are interested in the system but we are overwhelmed with the number of so called instructors with no way of knowing the integrity of their statements. I have yet to take the instruction but am looking forward to it. I just want to make sure that the time, resources and effort is well spent with qualified training and instruction. Thank you in advance for your efforts.

 

[www.roninworldwide.com]

Go to www.roninworldwide.com/training for information on the next Center Axis Relock class in Wisconsin.

 

[Bttbbob]

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You should put up some bio's on the instructors and the instructors name for the courses taught. Just a tip.

 

[Learn2Survive]

I agree with what Roninworldwide says... CAR is an amazing system and I am privileged to be one of the people that Paul trained and equally privileged that he thought enough of me to make me one of his IPDS Instructors (I believe I am one of only 2 in Michigan). I was a friend of Paul's for a couple of years and we spoke often however we had a bit of a falling out over a personal issue (a really stupid one at that) about a year before he passed so I asked Joe Schott to remove me from the IPDS roster. That said, I think we should form some sort of association and keep Paul's legacy alive... as an instructor trained in the system, I will continue to use it and pass it on - it is quite simply head and shoulders above every other system I've ever used - it is certainly the only system that can be used with every weapon platform, unlike the traditional pistol stances which cannot be used with long guns and vice versa.

 

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[Learn2Survive]

With all due respect, I trained under Paul directly and was one of his IPD systems instructors (CAR for civilians) - if he never wanted civilians to learn it, why did he start IPD systems? For the record, the ONLY difference between CAR proper and IPD is the apogee position which is not present in IPD for very good reason - a civilian will be hard pressed to justify shooting someone at extended ranges beyond 7 yards. Also, why did he make so many videos publicly available on Youtube? There are plenty of LEO only online resources where he could have posted videos and kept his system exclusively for LEO, Mil and .Gov but that simply is not the case. Additionally, why did he meet with the creators of the "Splinter Cell" game and have them code the games main character to use the CAR system... If Paul truly meant this system to be kept under wraps then I sincerely doubt that he would have made so many avenues available where it could be emulated.
I do however, strongly agree with you about the number of "swinging ****s" out there that "claim" to teach the system... That is indeed an insult to the man who, in my humble opinion, developed the finest close quarter firearms combative system that I've ever had the privilege to learn... just saying!

 

[Shootinjh]

May only those trained by Weaver himself or one of his selected few teach his stance? How might an instructor that wants to teach great info and does not intend to attend every single class on every single system teach aspects of Weaver or CAR without offending bone fide congregants?

Perhaps every swinging instructor out here ought to search for good aspects of all systems, styles, stances, grips etc... Yes. I am not a certified "Weaver" or "CAR" or "****" instructor, but I teach aspects of all. I do not give out "CAR" certificates or claim to be a CAR expert.

 

[Bttbbob]

May only those trained by Weaver himself or one of his selected few teach his stance? How might an instructor that wants to teach great info and does not intend to attend every single class on every single system teach aspects of Weaver or CAR without offending bone fide congregants?

Perhaps every swinging instructor out here ought to search for good aspects of all systems, styles, stances, grips etc... Yes. I am not a certified "Weaver" or "CAR" or "****" instructor, but I teach aspects of all. I do not give out "CAR" certificates or claim to be a CAR expert.

I think I am qualified to answer that. Some folks may not think so but after 30+k students I have a decent understanding of training modules. Weaver is not a system, it is a stance. CAR System is a system of self defense. And quite honestly this is the issue we are talking about. If you took a class that taught you a technique, then by all means, teach that technique. If someone certified you in that technique. If you were not taught by an Instructor Trainer in that technique, how do you know how to teach it or fix the problems that arise from that technique.
Its sorta like a proctologist doing dental implants without taking the instructor course to learn how to teach it? Then teaching other dentist's to do implant surgury. Do you want to be his patient?

 

[trainor]

dOES IT WIN MATCHES, against the top men using other systems? If not, why not?

 

[CR Williams]

dOES IT WIN MATCHES, against the top men using other systems? If not, why not?

You've GOT to be kidding me.

C.A.R. is designed to win fights, not matches. There's a difference between them. Some of what wins a match will not win a fight. Some of what wins a fight will not win a match. Understand the difference if you want to survive and win the right one at the right time.

 

[DRNurse1]

Gentlmen:

Thank you for carrying this tool into the civilian world. I am military trained and NOT a LEO nor affiliated. I do carry concealed, train in defensive carry, and shoot competitively.

One conflict I often encounter is the 'difference' between competitive practice/shooting and defensive practice/shooting. One (of many) things gleaned from Mr Castle's method is a way of blending these differences. Add to this the decrease in casualties during a civilian mediated shooting incident versus waiting for LEO involvement, and the willingness of civilians to plan, practice and learn, and we have another valuable tool in the civilian's armamentarium.

This argues for a training-the-trainer methodology for passing on (and developing upon) Mr Castle's techniques and wisdom. An organization to support folks trained directly by him and to help new trainers enter the CAR methodology is needed. I hope those here who have direct knowledge from Mr Castle will create some formal or informal link to address this need. One could argue Mr Castle chose to train only professionals early in his career due to the captive audience, ability to practice and refine his technique, and to save LEO's lives. His change to include civilians later in his career may reflect his appreciation of the US civilian population's willingness to embrace, learn, and practice his lifesaving techniques.

Just my thoughts as I have not met this honorable man.