I posted this under this forum because the quote above was in it and I don'y necessarily agree with it. A while back I bought a used Remington 700 in 30-06. It appeared to be in good shape and seemed to work fine. I cleaned if good and carried it out to test it out. everything seemed to work fine. When I decided to pack back up I had one shot in the chanber and one in the magazine. I unloaded the magazine and proceeded to remove the one from the chamber. This was and older model 700 and you could not unlock the bolt with the safety engaged. I pointed the gun in a safe direction, flipped the safety off and the gun fired. Talk about scaring the stuffings out of someone.
Was this a negligent discharge. I suppose I could have had it checked out by a gunsmith before trying it out. I possibly could have looked up the notice that Remington was willing to pay for the modification to allow it to be unbolted with the safety on. I could have fired all the rounds in it before packing up but that may have caused real problems.
I did take it bakc home and found that taking the safety off would cause it to fire about 1 out of 10 times and after a thorough cleaning and adjusting of the trigger it didn't do it any more.
Negligence is when your actions are not those of a normal responsible person. How many of you take very used gun you buy to a gunsmith to have fully checked out? I think there are some cases of accidental discharge.
Shouldn't have a round in the chamber when putting the rifle away anyway.
I'm not buying this story.
I posted this under this forum because the quote above was in it and I don'y necessarily agree with it. A while back I bought a used Remington 700 in 30-06. It appeared to be in good shape and seemed to work fine. I cleaned if good and carried it out to test it out. everything seemed to work fine. When I decided to pack back up I had one shot in the chanber and one in the magazine. I unloaded the magazine and proceeded to remove the one from the chamber. This was and older model 700 and you could not unlock the bolt with the safety engaged. I pointed the gun in a safe direction, flipped the safety off and the gun fired. Talk about scaring the stuffings out of someone.
Was this a negligent discharge. I suppose I could have had it checked out by a gunsmith before trying it out. I possibly could have looked up the notice that Remington was willing to pay for the modification to allow it to be unbolted with the safety on. I could have fired all the rounds in it before packing up but that may have caused real problems.
I did take it bakc home and found that taking the safety off would cause it to fire about 1 out of 10 times and after a thorough cleaning and adjusting of the trigger it didn't do it any more.
Negligence is when your actions are not those of a normal responsible person. How many of you take very used gun you buy to a gunsmith to have fully checked out? I think there are some cases of accidental discharge.
It seems to me I've seen this as a known problem with some. You need contact the manufacturer. This is not a negligent discharge in my mind.
An excellent example of why all preowned firearms should be thoroughly checked out. I've handled at least 3 bolt action rifles of 2 different brands that had the trigger "adjusted" to the point that slamming the bolt forward or pulling the trigger then releasing the safety would cause the striker to fall. One customer refused to let me fix the problem commenting that he could live with it since the trigger worked for him-I had him sign a statement to that effect before allowing the rifle out of the door. He later had an AD and traded the rifle off- I certainly hope the next owner got it fixed.
Nope. He had a negligent discharge, not accidental.
I agree, there are certain rare occasions that I would classify as 'accidental' instead of negligent; such as your experience. It was a mechanical malfunction, with no negligence from the operator.
I had a similiar experience with an old SKS. The previous owner didn't take good care of it, and probably never cleaned it. I was demonstrating the action to a friend of mine, using live rounds, with the muzzle ponting in a safe direction. When I let the bolt go forward, the rifle slam-fired on it's own. Scared the crap out of both of us, but no harm was done. I didn't even know what a slam fire was at the time, I had my finger away from the trigger, but the gun malfunctioned. Although, I could have used dummy rounds if I had any.
I think one more catagory should be added to the quote, besides negligent and intentional...mechanical malfunction.
Recently, MSNBC had a program called Remington Under Fire, about the design flaw in the Remington 700 series of bolt action rifles. While Remington denies it, there is a piece in the trigger/sear assembly that sometimes allows the rifle to fire when the safet y is released or if the rifle is bumped. A number of years ago, the designer responsible for the 700 designed another piece to go into the assembly that would lock the firing pin. This piece, whcih would have stopped the 700 series rifle from firing apparently by itself would have cost, in those days, 5.5 cents per rifle. Remington decided not to go that route, claiming that it was too expensive. Today, the same part would run $75 to $100 per gun, which would cost more than Remington's annual income. Normally, I don't accept accidental discharges, but with a 700, I would be leery of it.
:lol: I can't stop laughing. :sarcastic:Took out his refrigerator.
I always love this arguement as magazines are where powder, shells, ammo, clips are stored while a clip is what goes in the gun. :biggrin: Magazines existed before clips did. HMS Hood blew up because a shell hit the magazine. The USS Maine sank because the magazine exploded.Didn't know that they made any semi-auto handguns that used "clips". Thought they were restricted to revolvers.
Semi-auto handgun with a "clip"
Difference between a "clip" and "magazine"
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