Accidental Discharge question
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I figure it this way.
IF THE GUN BREAKS OR MALFUNCTIONS (ie., slam fire due to a firing pin sticking),it's an ACCIDENT if the malfunction is happening for the FIRST time.
IF THE GUN BREAKS OR MALFUNCTIONS and the malfunction has occurred before, it's NEGLIGENCE.
Pretty much EVERY OTHER REASON IS NEGLIGENCE as far as I'm concerned.
Improper firearms handling is NEGLIGENCE.
Putting a Glock together with a round in the chamber is NEGLIGENCE.
Are you talking about my story? My SUV was parked 5' from where I was shooting. I was trying to get the round out of the chamber to put it away as you are recommending. Or were you referencing some other post? Any more DA comments?
maybejim
Maybejim
It seems to me I've seen this as a known problem with some. You need contact the manufacturer. This is not a negligent discharge in my mind.
I found out later that it was a safety problem and a recall had been issued on that series of Rem. 700. I took it to a gunsmith who replaced the trigger assembly with the new version on Remington's $. I figured that the reason that I got the gun so cheap was because the previous owner knew of the problem but not the recall.
An excellent example of why all preowned firearms should be thoroughly checked out. I've handled at least 3 bolt action rifles of 2 different brands that had the trigger "adjusted" to the point that slamming the bolt forward or pulling the trigger then releasing the safety would cause the striker to fall. One customer refused to let me fix the problem commenting that he could live with it since the trigger worked for him-I had him sign a statement to that effect before allowing the rifle out of the door. He later had an AD and traded the rifle off- I certainly hope the next owner got it fixed.
maybejim
Maybejim
Nope. He had a negligent discharge, not accidental.
+1 or maybe a stupid discharge, couldn't be called ignorant.
SKS has a free floating firing pin. It's not held back with a spring. If it was dirty and jammed, it could cause it to fire when the action went into battery.
Follow ALL the safety rules.
Accidental discharges happen every day. That still leaves no reason for anyone to get hurt.. Ive had several unintentional discharges for different reasons and never came near hurting anyone. Several times I had the hammer cocked and the sight on the target. As soon as my finger touched the trigger the revolver fired before I intended too. All things considered no one woukld have even known I fired unintentionally however I did. Embarassing as it is sometimes its avoidable. People do make mistakes but if you follow all of the safety rules only your pride should be injured.Just be carefull and follow ALL of the rules and no one will get hurt.
Accidental discharges happen every day. That still leaves no reason for anyone to get hurt.. Ive had several unintentional discharges for different reasons and never came near hurting anyone. Several times I had the hammer cocked and the sight on the target. As soon as my finger touched the trigger the revolver fired before I intended too. All things considered no one woukld have even known I fired unintentionally however I did. Embarassing as it is sometimes its avoidable. People do make mistakes but if you follow all of the safety rules only your pride should be injured.Just be carefull and follow ALL of the rules and no one will get hurt.
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JSDinTexas
Guest
Definition of an accident
According to Wikipedia - "An accident is a specific, unidentifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects."
Sounds like you qualify for accident. On the other hand, I had just started cleaning a .357 revolver about 30 years ago and pulled the trigger - shot a hole in my living room ceiling. That, brother, is pure negligence! And I remember it vividly - I have never had another "unintentional discharge" since, and hope I never do.
And I am still embarrassed by it, but maybe confession is good for the soul. :biggrin:
According to Wikipedia - "An accident is a specific, unidentifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects."
Sounds like you qualify for accident. On the other hand, I had just started cleaning a .357 revolver about 30 years ago and pulled the trigger - shot a hole in my living room ceiling. That, brother, is pure negligence! And I remember it vividly - I have never had another "unintentional discharge" since, and hope I never do.
And I am still embarrassed by it, but maybe confession is good for the soul. :biggrin:
wuzfuz
New member
re: Accidental Discharge Question
Recently, MSNBC had a program called Remington Under Fire, about the design flaw in the Remington 700 series of bolt action rifles. While Remington denies it, there is a piece in the trigger/sear assembly that sometimes allows the rifle to fire when the safet y is released or if the rifle is bumped. A number of years ago, the designer responsible for the 700 designed another piece to go into the assembly that would lock the firing pin. This piece, whcih would have stopped the 700 series rifle from firing apparently by itself would have cost, in those days, 5.5 cents per rifle. Remington decided not to go that route, claiming that it was too expensive. Today, the same part would run $75 to $100 per gun, which would cost more than Remington's annual income. Normally, I don't accept accidental discharges, but with a 700, I would be leery of it.
Recently, MSNBC had a program called Remington Under Fire, about the design flaw in the Remington 700 series of bolt action rifles. While Remington denies it, there is a piece in the trigger/sear assembly that sometimes allows the rifle to fire when the safet y is released or if the rifle is bumped. A number of years ago, the designer responsible for the 700 designed another piece to go into the assembly that would lock the firing pin. This piece, whcih would have stopped the 700 series rifle from firing apparently by itself would have cost, in those days, 5.5 cents per rifle. Remington decided not to go that route, claiming that it was too expensive. Today, the same part would run $75 to $100 per gun, which would cost more than Remington's annual income. Normally, I don't accept accidental discharges, but with a 700, I would be leery of it.
maybejim
Maybejim
I saw this posted somewhere else. Wasn't this an old problem and wasn't there a recall? It seems to me that it happened a couple of years or so ago. Or do I have this confused with another gun?
OldOwl
New member
:lol: I can't stop laughing. :sarcastic:
Oh ya. I'm laughing so hard, I forgot... that's what I looked at this thread for. I just saw a rerun of that program tonight on the Remington 700 malfunction. Pretty scary.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
I always love this arguement as magazines are where powder, shells, ammo, clips are stored while a clip is what goes in the gun. :biggrin: Magazines existed before clips did. HMS Hood blew up because a shell hit the magazine. The USS Maine sank because the magazine exploded.Didn't know that they made any semi-auto handguns that used "clips". Thought they were restricted to revolvers.
Semi-auto handgun with a "clip"
Difference between a "clip" and "magazine"
gf
To be a magazine in the terms used here it has to have another word in front of it to be correct such as a box magazine, a tubular magazine, a rotary magazine, drum magazine, fixed magazine, etc.... :wink:
So far in 40+ years of handling guns, no accidental or unintentional discharges of any firearms and I hope it stays that way for atleast another 30+. I do have a shotgun that will slamfire but if you know it will, you take precautions not to accidentally do it.
