Most Cops are Good?

[Axeanda45]

More bad cops in the news....

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A Justice Department investigation of an aggressive drug squad within the Philadelphia Police Department will likely hinge on the testimony this week from a corrupt officer-turned-informant.

Jeffrey Walker says he lied, stole and beat drug dealers during his years with the undercover Narcotics Field Unit.

The 46-year-old Walker has been in prison since he was caught planting evidence and stealing cash in a 2013 FBI sting.

He now admits committing "thousands" of crimes while on duty.

He says countless drug suspects went to prison based on lies his squad invented to get search warrants, make arrests and win convictions.

Lawyers for six former colleagues now on trial call Walker a drunk, disreputable police officer and unreliable witness.

Walker is set to spend his third day on the witness stand Thursday.


United StatesAssociated PressPhiladelphia Police Department.

Cant be... billt says they only exist in "haters" minds..... yet these are in Philly..... Whole world must be wrong, cause billt never is....

 

[NotTwoShure]

Best post on this thread, thanks. This should end the talk.
:thank_you2:

• Define "most". - 51%?
• Define "good". - Was Drew Peterson "good" before his wives started dying and disappearing?
• What is the methodology of measurement?

The truth is that the oft made assertion is probably not subject to rational proof or disproof, since there is no reasonable means of measurement. It would literally require somebody to follow EVERY cop around, twenty four hours a day.

The TRUTH:

• It is a CERTAINTY that all cops are NOT "good" (as the word is commonly understood).
• it is PROBABLE that not all cops are "bad" (as the word is commonly understood).
• It is undeniable that the actual number of "good" cops falls SOMEWHERE in between "none" and "all". WHERE that number falls is another story altogether.

 

[billt]

It is undeniable that the actual number of "good" cops falls SOMEWHERE in between "none" and "all". WHERE that number falls is another story altogether.

Good cop, bad cop: Statistics show less than 1 percent of police officers run afoul of the law - News - Wicked Local - Boston, MA

 

[Deanimator]

Good cop, bad cop: Statistics show less than 1 percent of police officers run afoul of the law - News - Wicked Local - Boston, MA

Translation: "Less than 1 percent of police officers GET CAUGHT."

 

[NavyLCDR]

Translation: "Less than 1 percent of police officers GET CAUGHT."

Right from the article that billt posted:

Michael Josephson, president of the Josephson Institute of Ethics in California, said the pressures of the job, coupled with isolation from others in a community, can lead to cover ups of even the smallest of infractions.

“The notion can be there is a higher degree of loyalty to the person who backs me up than to the law or the public,” he said.

That can run deep in smaller communities, Josephson said.

“The smaller the department, the greater the problem,” he said. “Simply because the difference between rank is much less and the friendships are deep and personal.”

If only 1% of drivers get traffic tickets in a year does that mean that the 99% have never committed an infraction like going 5 mph over the speed limit when they have been late to work?

 

[ArmyCW4]

Good cop, bad cop: Statistics show less than 1 percent of police officers run afoul of the law - News - Wicked Local - Boston, MA

You cannot be this naive?

 

[billt]

Translation: "Less than 1 percent of police officers GET CAUGHT."

If only 1% of drivers get traffic tickets in a year does that mean that the 99% have never committed an infraction like going 5 mph over the speed limit when they have been late to work?

As always, when the numbers don't fit your narrative...... WHINE! :angry:

 

[billt]

You cannot be this naive?

I didn't write the article. If you think the numbers are false, then rebut them with something more substantial than your bull$h!t.

 

[NavyLCDR]

As always, when the numbers don't fit your narrative...... WHINE! :angry:

What numbers billt? This statement? "While the cases make headlines, experts say the number of police officers who run afoul of the laws they’re sworn to uphold is low.

'We’re finding the numbers are pretty constant,' said Neal Trautman, executive director of the National Institute of Ethics and author of 'How to be a Great Cop.' 'It is less than 1 percent.'"

Where are the facts? One expert claims "our studies show..." So what? Want another "expert" opinion? Here's one:
Cops Beat Their Wives & Girlfriends At Double The National Rate, Still Receive Promotions | The Free Thought Project

Law Enforcement officers beat their significant other at nearly double the national average. Several studies, according to Diane Wetendorf, author of Police Domestic Violence: Handbook for Victims, indicate that women suffer domestic abuse in at least 40 percent of police officer families. For American women overall, the figure is 25 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

According to The Advocates for Human Rights Organization, studies indicate that police families are 2-4 times more likely than the general population to experience domestic violence, making the potential for disparities in protective success particularly troubling.

Let's see what another "expert" has to say, shall we?
Excessive or reasonable force by police? Research on*law enforcement and racial conflict

FBI Director James B. Comey stated the following in a remarkable February 2015 speech:

Not long after riots broke out in Ferguson late last summer, I asked my staff to tell me how many people shot by police were African-American in this country. I wanted to see trends. I wanted to see information. They couldn’t give it to me, and it wasn’t their fault. Demographic data regarding officer-involved shootings is not consistently reported to us through our Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Because reporting is voluntary, our data is incomplete and therefore, in the aggregate, unreliable.

I recently listened to a thoughtful big city police chief express his frustration with that lack of reliable data. He said he didn’t know whether the Ferguson police shot one person a week, one a year, or one a century, and that in the absence of good data, “all we get are ideological thunderbolts, when what we need are ideological agnostics who use information to try to solve problems.” He’s right.

The first step to understanding what is really going on in our communities and in our country is to gather more and better data related to those we arrest, those we confront for breaking the law and jeopardizing public safety, and those who confront us. “Data” seems a dry and boring word but, without it, we cannot understand our world and make it better.

How can we address concerns about “use of force,” how can we address concerns about officer-involved shootings if we do not have a reliable grasp on the demographics and circumstances of those incidents? We simply must improve the way we collect and analyze data to see the true nature of what’s happening in all of our communities.

The FBI tracks and publishes the number of “justifiable homicides” reported by police departments. But, again, reporting by police departments is voluntary and not all departments participate. That means we cannot fully track the number of incidents in which force is used by police, or against police, including non-fatal encounters, which are not reported at all.

And now you know the rest of the story. - Paul Harvey

I didn't write the article. If you think the numbers are false, then rebut them with something more substantial than your bull$h!t.

Consider your numbers rebutted. There is no way to tell what percentage of cops are bad because there is no requirement for them to report their actions.

 

[billt]

If I were you, I'd quit wasting so much time with all of your bull$h!t, and start figuring out how you're going to get your draw time down to under 10 minutes. You're not going to kill anyone with your keyboard. Unless you want to attempt to bore them to death. You most likely can accomplish that quicker.

 

[whiskycut]

About ten years ago in a small town in AL. south of Columbus ga. I make an illegal lane change into a left turning lane. Cop lights come on and pulls me over, I recognize him from being a parent of a girl I coach in T-ball with my daughter. Now this a wide road I am on, could be 2 lanes. Cars are zipping by, I figure I'll stand on the sidewalk and talk to the officer, and take my medicine, I step out of my car, this guy pulls his service weapon and starts screaming, I lay down on the pavement, he walks up and says, oh, I' m sorry, get up, now I had just left him, his daughter at practice he knows me, now I'm thinking my old man was right, ( he was a judge) if you are to stupid to ride on the the back of a trash truck the city will pin a badge on you.

 

[ArmyCW4]

About ten years ago in a small town in AL. south of Columbus ga. I make an illegal lane change into a left turning lane. Cop lights come on and pulls me over, I recognize him from being a parent of a girl I coach in T-ball with my daughter. Now this a wide road I am on, could be 2 lanes. Cars are zipping by, I figure I'll stand on the sidewalk and talk to the officer, and take my medicine, I step out of my car, this guy pulls his service weapon and starts screaming, I lay down on the pavement, he walks up and says, oh, I' m sorry, get up, now I had just left him, his daughter at practice he knows me, now I'm thinking my old man was right, ( he was a judge) if you are to stupid to ride on the the back of a trash truck the city will pin a badge on you.

This is what you get in Phoenix City, AL.

You should never get out of a vehicle during a traffic stop, unless directed to do so.

 

[NavyLCDR]

If I were you, I'd quit wasting so much time with all of your bull$h!t, and start figuring out how you're going to get your draw time down to under 10 minutes. You're not going to kill anyone with your keyboard. Unless you want to attempt to bore them to death. You most likely can accomplish that quicker.

In other words, you are always going to resort to the same meaningless blather when proven wrong.

 

[ArmyCW4]

I didn't write the article. If you think the numbers are false, then rebut them with something more substantial than your bull$h!t.

You certainly did not, but using it as substance of your claim makes you as glutton as it can get. Scathing facts, wont help you to make them go away.

 

[Firefighterchen]

http://ktla.com/2015/01/22/video-ap...-officer-trying-to-tip-man-out-of-wheelchair/

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[ArmyCW4]

Video Appears to Show San Francisco Police Officer Trying to Tip Man Out of Wheelchair | KTLA

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That's ok with Bilt, I mean, what are the odds of being tipped off of a wheel chair by a cop?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Video Appears to Show San Francisco Police Officer Trying to Tip Man Out of Wheelchair | KTLA

Clearly the paralyzed man was attempting to run over the police officers with his wheelchair and the officers feared for their lives - you know, the smallest things cause officers to fear for their lives.

 

[billt]

.......................... now I'm thinking my old man was right, ( he was a judge) if you are to stupid to ride on the the back of a trash truck the city will pin a badge on you.

So.... Applying that line of thinking to judges, how stupid do they have to be?

 

[Deanimator]

As always, when the numbers don't fit your narrative...... WHINE! :angry:

As always when your narrative is shown to be dishonest, whine.

You sound like the Chicago cops who didn't mind the BEATING of Carolina Obrycka, just that the video of it was shown "too much".

 

[billt]

You sound like the Chicago cops who didn't mind the BEATING of Carolina Obrycka...........

Hey Deano, Congratulations! You actually found a new name. Instead of using retreads post after post. That brings your grand total of abused citizens up to what.... 3 now?