S&W645
NRA Life Member
And that is why I put what I did in my post.
Axeanda45 can't seem to understand the two.
Bad idea??
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Axeanda45 can't seem to understand the two.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
Post that started this thread " Bad idea??
Hard to believe this isn't illegal."
Now, here is what could get him a citation. He would have to fight it in court along with the reckless or negligent if he had continued. He didn't but as this is a discussion of whether his range was a good/bad idea, Axeanda45 is the one whom is out of line.
In Florida, the municipalities can set noise laws.
Hard to believe this isn't illegal."
Now, here is what could get him a citation. He would have to fight it in court along with the reckless or negligent if he had continued. He didn't but as this is a discussion of whether his range was a good/bad idea, Axeanda45 is the one whom is out of line.
In Florida, the municipalities can set noise laws.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
As for the city of St Pete, it is worse.
And he is inside city limits.
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Sec. 11-54. - Sound levels by receiving land use.
No person shall operate or cause to be operated a source of sound in a manner as to create a sound that is plainly audible to a person at the property boundary of a receiving land use and that violates the time or distance requirements set forth in the following table. The sounds regulated in the preceding section (currently section 11-53) are not subject to the restrictions of this section.
Location of the
Receiving Land Use Time Distance
Residential zoning
district 8:00 a.m.—6:00 p.m. 500 feet or more
Residential zoning
district 6:00 p.m.—11:00 p.m.* 200 feet or more
Residential zoning
district 11:00 p.m.*
—8:00 a.m. 50 feet or moreAnd he is inside city limits.
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I can almost bet.. the laws in this community will change quickly.... you would have to be insane to have a gun range in a community where house and children are within the range of the weapons ability to hurt someone...
So here is a question for those defending this guys " rights" why does he need a burm? why not hang a target on a tree and shoot at that... so where are the local codes for building a " safe " gun range in this community. they don't exist right now but they will shortly.. something like.. a gun range is legal but must be constructed at a minimum of 1000 feet from the nearest residential property.
So here is a question for those defending this guys " rights" why does he need a burm? why not hang a target on a tree and shoot at that... so where are the local codes for building a " safe " gun range in this community. they don't exist right now but they will shortly.. something like.. a gun range is legal but must be constructed at a minimum of 1000 feet from the nearest residential property.
Rhino
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Same here, though I do it less since I broke my back.
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Actually it's both....sort of. The neighbors have a right to feel safe in their homes, at least to some extent. That's been affirmed by the courts many times. It was one of the factors supporting the Heller decision in fact. The issue here is whether the threat to their safety is real or perceived. Obviously you feel so strongly that it isn't real that you won't even acknowledge an opposing view. But the neighbors do perceive danger, at least to some extent, and we know that even perceived danger does affect legal precepts. So even though you or I or any other particular person may dismiss the idea of any real danger, and there's certainly factual data to support that conclusion, one can't simply ignore the fact that the perceived danger of others is real, and it has to be acknowledged that it does play a role in the debate. You can't simply ignore the existence of rights as an issue, no matter how ridiculous or how illogical it may seem, but you can certainly argue it's irrelevance with passion. So no matter how much someone feels this isn't a rights issue, and even if they know deep down in their hearts that it isn't a rights issue, there are still other people who play a role in this equation believe it really is. As long as those people push a rights based agenda, or at least rights as a part of the agenda, the presence of rights in the debate can't simply be ignored. If you refuse to address it, your opponents will just claim victory by default. I've seen it happen too many times.
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This whole thing brings back bad memories of an old homeowners association I used to live under. Never gonna do that again.
Axeanda45
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No, YOU cannot seem to fathom what RIGHTS are and continue to talk down about and condemn someone for exercising their RIGHTS in a way YOU dont approve of...
Axeanda45
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Nope, I am the one who insists on outing rights infringing people like YOU....., and I refuse to keep quiet about you, I will not allow you to spout off infringements as a good idea just because idiots like you think anyone who does not exercise their rights the way YOU THINK THEY SHOULD are the ones in the wrong...
Axeanda45
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Your post is entirely about FEELINGS..... not rights at all, are you really this stupid about RIGHTS?
michelle.yvonne.grove
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I love living in a rural area. I can shoot targets in my undies if I want.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
Which is fine if it is safe to do. But as shown above, by law he faced a citation at the minimum.
Axeanda45
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100% BULLSHITE!!!! The effing cops went by and checked it out and said he didnt do anything wrong, AND if he did use the range, it would be LEGAL FOR HIM TO DO SO....... so go lie somewhere else antigunner....
Kramer1113
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You have no concern for community.
Just because you can do something is not a great reason to do it.
Thankfully this punk was shut down so you can shut up.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
Your gun rights end when they cross another's property lines. Your rights to make noise stop at a property line also. Can't you understand that? Instead, why don't you look at the stuff posted which is from the county and city where he lives. It isn't about whether he has a right to have a gun range. Everyone has agreed that he does, currently. It isn't about his use of a firearm for self defense. He's legal for that. But it is about safety and it is about noise. Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says anything about anything other than bearing and keeping as a Right. That is what Heller and all the other SCOTUS cases recently have affirmed. The right to protect yourself and others you choose with guns you may own. None of those quotes are anti-gun laws from the city or county. And with the size lot he has, I doubt he would meet the daytime county rule. He will never be even 100' from a lot line no matter where he is. And by County laws there, it would only have to be measured at the lot line. If the neighbors had moved into property next to a permitted gun range, then it would come into first use/due diligence. Just like people that move in next to railroads, major highways, or airports need to understand. But guess what, the courts have sided with the homeowner many times when it comes to enjoying "quiet" rights.
But his actions did result in is: Link Removed
And yes, I'm against the changes that they propose as it is a blanket denial of rights.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
Show me proof that you are correct. You haven't shown anything that shows exactly what the police said or wrote. Meanwhile, I've quoted you the laws that cover where he lives. Guess what, local cops can be wrong too. They, many times, have tried to enforce laws that aren't as they say. Just like the Feds have.
Axeanda45
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l actually went and read the links from the original post, unlike YOU, THE IDIOT THAT HAS DONE NOTHING EXCEPT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS...
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S&W645
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Not those quotes, the quotes of the laws and rules of the State of Florida, Pinellas County, City of St Petersburg. Google is your friend if you don't trust my quotes. But those are the most current and no matter what covers you or me when in Ohio, you have to go by what laws cover him in his location. Ohio demands that you notify a cop if stopped that you are carrying, if you are. Florida doesn't unless you are asked.
Just to give you one example, here is St Petes. Link Removed Section 11-54.
Axeanda45
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The ACTUAL NEWS STORY AND THE COMMENTS OF THE RESPONDING POLICE TRUMP YOUR IMMATURE AND INCORRECT TO THE SITUATION GOOGLE SEARCH IDJIT
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Even in NYS it's only 500 feet. And as if 500 feet interferes in his hunt, some moron has to violate it. Can't legislate against stupidity. Libs been trying it for years.
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Sixteen Month-old Child Dies From Hunter's Rifle Shot in Sullivan
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Suspect in child's death remorseful
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SWAN LAKE — On Sunday afternoon, 16-month-old Charly Skala was standing in the kitchen of her grandparents' mobile home near Swan Lake, where the family had gathered to watch football.
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About 4 p.m. came two cracks of a hunter's rifle. The first bullet hit a deer out in the fields. The second ripped through the wall of the mobile home and struck the toddler in the right shoulder. Charly, of Woodbourne, was rushed by relatives in a car to Catskill Regional Medical Center in Harris, then flown to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla. She died hours later from her wounds.
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State police have charged hunter Edward J. Taibi, 45, of Howard Beach in Queens, with second-degree manslaughter for the shooting that they say killed Charly. Police say Taibi was in a tree stand and shot once at a deer, wounding it. He climbed down and then fired a second time about 400 feet away from the mobile home, which is in rural area on Horseshoe Lake Road in the Town of Bethel. He was hunting with a .300-caliber Winchester Magnum high-powered rifle.
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Taibi was arraigned in Bethel Town Court and taken to the Sullivan County Jail without bail. He "was very broke up" and remorseful, said a spokesman for the state police in Middletown. The charge, a felony, stems from Taibi's recklessness, investigators said. "His actions resulted in the death of another," said Senior Investigator Mike Orrego of the Liberty state police barracks. "He killed a person. You do have the obligation to the safety of others."
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Orrego said Taibi broke several state hunting regulations. It's illegal to discharge a weapon within 500 feet of a dwelling without the owner's permission. Taibi also was illegally hunting over bait, specifically salt licks and sweet feed, Orrego said. Taibi was a friend of the property owner and had hunted on the land before.
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State Department of Environmental Conservation police and troopers were following the path of the bullet and taking measurements on the property Monday morning, while a DEC dog searched for the shell casings. "It is a tragic event," Orrego said. "I hope this isn't a sign to come for the remainder of the hunting season."
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The death of a little girl on the second day of rifle season left hunters shaking their heads. One hunter, who had stopped in the nearby Swan Lake Country Store Monday morning, called it a freak "needle-in-a-haystack shot." Neighbor Chester Davis Jr. said he sometimes saw the toddler playing with her parents and grandparents on play equipment in the front yard. "They are nice people," he said. Davis was coming home after hunting when he learned of the accident. He could not imagine how a toddler standing inside a home and being looked after by her entire family could be killed in such a way. "A grown person should be more sensible," he said.
NotTwoShure
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Part of my letter to the editor (And the public at large who care or not). Was published this week end, this is my censored version.
Let me be perfectly absolutely clear, I am an American. I am a free American. I do not need a law to allow me to speak freely, worship freely, and to pack a gun, any gun that I may choose. I do not need a 1st or 2nd Amendment or any other federal, state, county law the might “Allow” me the “Privilege” to exercise my rights. Period. In the 1930 we had the National Firearms Act, we had the 1968 act, we allowed Brady we shall not, will not allow a gun registration/confiscation act, not here not this time, this is our line in the sand. End of story. I just hope everyone remembers this, both enemies foreign and domestic for I shall not repeat this.
Let me be perfectly absolutely clear, I am an American. I am a free American. I do not need a law to allow me to speak freely, worship freely, and to pack a gun, any gun that I may choose. I do not need a 1st or 2nd Amendment or any other federal, state, county law the might “Allow” me the “Privilege” to exercise my rights. Period. In the 1930 we had the National Firearms Act, we had the 1968 act, we allowed Brady we shall not, will not allow a gun registration/confiscation act, not here not this time, this is our line in the sand. End of story. I just hope everyone remembers this, both enemies foreign and domestic for I shall not repeat this.
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