Don't be tepid....you asked for permission to have a CC permit to begin with.
Anyone have plans to visit N.J. w/ a firearm ?
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CharlesMorrison
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apvbguy
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same as the above is contrary to the law
BC1
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Army, you need to read the laws I cited from NC before posting. Check the link I gave you and then read the specific statutes I cited for you. I'm looking for land in Western NC right now and was shocked when I checked the law. What is a normal carry habit in NYS can get me arrested in NYC. No gun at a wake or funeral? Why?
BC1
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He can't carry in any of those places by law. In NYS PL Article 400 states any license issued in the state shall be valid throughout the state notwithstanding (in spite of) any local provisions, statutes or laws. NYC is exempt as they have codified their requirement into state law. They use a different permit system in NYC than the rest of NYS. However, no county, town or municipality can make a law stopping the carrying of a gun in a public place. Only the state can restrict carrying in a public place and that must be done through the legislative process.
apvbguy
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in other words you can't defend your bullcrap
XD40scinNC
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Alcohol - common sense, alcohol impairs judgment and motor skills.
Schools - no carry, but can be in vehicle with CHP
assemblies/establishments - your information is out of date, the laws were changed over a year ago, stop spreading false information
government buildings - correct, all state and federal offices
Still banned at pickets - again common sense, people on a picket line will threaten with any thing that can be used as a weapon, emotions and anger are over the top.
Parades/funerals - again your info is out of date, stop spreading false information.
Keeping guns out of the reach of children - DUH!
OBTW, I'm pretty sure I have called you on posting erroneous information about laws that no longer are in effect, in a state you do not live in. Google NC HB 937 which went into effect in 2013.
Oh, yea we are also not subject to having the boolets counted in our magazine and arrested if we miscounted.
I carry one of my guns at 16 +1 for a total of 17 rounds, how many in your carry gun, in the socialists republic of New Yark?
And the laws apply across every city, town and county in the state, unlike NY and MA, the two states where each local government can add any inane restriction their libtard little minds can dream up.
NC is a "shall issue" state, NY is a "may issue" state.
Open carry; New York is not a traditional open carry state. They are amongst the top 5 rights restricted states in the union.New York | OpenCarry.org
North Carolina is a traditional open carry state. You MAY open carry in a motor vehicle. North Carolina | OpenCarry.org
Jajaja, expected. Carry on
You haven't posted anything and keep referring to an intangible.
Interesting retort regarding wakes. I investigated a shooting at a wake, the victim was the dead guy. There was a man who hated the deceased for many years so, at his wake
the guy pulled out a handgun and shot the deceased in the mouth, true story. The shooter was 81 years old, the deceased was 80, they had been feuding for several years, however.
there was no violence between the two, a lot of name calling ect. but that was the extent of it until the wake.
His explanation was "I can't get into trouble for shooting a dead man".
Well, not true, he was arrested for a litany of charges, the most serious was carrying a weapon, yes that is correct. In N.J. one cannot carry a weapon period, without a carrying permit, which
is very, very difficult to obtain and rarely granted.
To make things worse he was charged under the Graves act. which carries a mandatory 3-5 years , prosecutor idea not mine. He made bail and died before his trial, I guess this is one of many reasons for not being able to carry at wakes, emotions run very deep at these things and people can react out of character. Now, did he get his revenge or did revenge get him ?
the guy pulled out a handgun and shot the deceased in the mouth, true story. The shooter was 81 years old, the deceased was 80, they had been feuding for several years, however.
there was no violence between the two, a lot of name calling ect. but that was the extent of it until the wake.
His explanation was "I can't get into trouble for shooting a dead man".
Well, not true, he was arrested for a litany of charges, the most serious was carrying a weapon, yes that is correct. In N.J. one cannot carry a weapon period, without a carrying permit, which
is very, very difficult to obtain and rarely granted.
To make things worse he was charged under the Graves act. which carries a mandatory 3-5 years , prosecutor idea not mine. He made bail and died before his trial, I guess this is one of many reasons for not being able to carry at wakes, emotions run very deep at these things and people can react out of character. Now, did he get his revenge or did revenge get him ?
XD40scinNC
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Here is the link to the current version, revision September 2014
http://ncsheriffs.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Master_Firearms_Publication_Sept_2014.pdf
BC1
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XD, wrong on NYS. And my information is not incorrect. Your North Carolina Sheriff's website contains the incorrect information and is disseminating it on their website. (http://www.ncsheriffs.org/documents/2013 NC Firearms Laws.pdf) has the sheriff posting the law from August 2013. The NC DOJ has one from September 2014. Your argument is with them. Call them and insult them for it.
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In NYS local counties and municipalities may not create any gun laws. NYS PL 400.00(6) - 6. License: validity. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall be valid notwithstanding (in spite of) the provisions of any local law or ordinance. You're wrong on that one.
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The 7-round mag limit was overturned by the western district federal courts as a violation of the second amendment. You're wrong on that one.
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May issue/shall issue... You think there's a difference? You haven't compared the laws. NYS may not deny any permit application unless for cause, such cause provided in writing. A permit may not be denied in an arbitrary or capricious manner. No one can simply decide they don't want you to have a permit. The standard of good behavior is no different in NC than NY. Been doing permit services for over ten years. have had two denials... both justified for past criminal activity. If you smack your wife in the mouth you're not getting a permit in either state.
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Open carry? Who cares. I would not open carry a gun regardless of the law. I can't think of any friend who would OC as well. I don't want that thing banging around my hip. I pocket carry either a small Kimber .45 or a Ruger LC9.
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I'm not sure you guys know your own law. Here is the document in lay terms from the NC Department of Justice... dated SEPTEMBER 2014. That's four months ago. YOUR DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. If this isn't the real law you have a major problem on your hands. You need to call someone to get this false information off the web. The following is ALL in the NCDOJ document written four months ago.
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- In NC one is required to provide proof of training to qualify for a permit. NY does not.
- In NC a permit is valid for 5 years. And what if they refuse to renew it? I've never needed to renew anything in NY.
- In NC one must be a citizen. In NY one must only be a resident alien.
- In NC one must inform LEO when carrying. In NY we still have the right to remain silent. No statutory requirement to notify anyone. Are you saying we should notify LE?
- In NC signs have weight of law. In NY they do not.
- In NC you may not have a single drop of alcohol in your system when carrying. In NY there is no such law. Are your saying we should enact another restrictive law?
- In NC you may not carry a gun at any rest area on a public road. WTF? NY has nothing like this.
- In NC you may not carry a weapon at a strike. In NYS strikers carry guns at the picket line all the time. Never even heard of a problem. It's perfectly legal.
- In NC one can't enter a courthouse with a legal weapon. In NYS I can check my gun at the courthouse and enter.
- In NC one can't enter local municipalities armed. NYS I may enter my county and town buildings without breaking a law. No signs. I do it all the time. Certain offices like social services require checking-in the weapon.
- In NC signs carry weight of law. In NYS a sign on private property has absolutely no weight of law.
- In NC one is required to lock the gun when a minor is in the home. The Heller SCOTUS decision ruled that requiring locking a gun in the home is a violation of the second. They ruled that a locked gun is not available for protection. In NYS one must only lock the gun when not at home if there is a person in the home designated not suitable for firearms possession.
I just read the entire document from the NC Department of Justice. The above mentioned restrictions are in affect for everyone. Pretty bad.
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Now you just said "I'm pretty sure I have called you on posting erroneous information about laws that no longer are in effect, in a state you do not live in." Didn't you just do the same thing with NYS?
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What I just listed are some pretty restrictive practices. And you only recently were allowed the parade or restaurant carry. people in NYS never even heard of such a thing. XD, you're entitled to an opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts. And never insult someone when you didn't do the homework.
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I'm eyeballing 62 acres outside of Hendersonville, NC with my brother-in-law. We want to retire there. As I began making a side-by-side list of the differences I became concerned. Presently I don't have to watch-out for all these little trip-ups in NY. Am I to become a criminal because I stopped at a rest area to pee? What's the charge for that one? Pissing with a concealed weapon?
BC1
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So you do have it. Read that document. NC is extremely restrictive.
XD40scinNC
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Are you a criminal in NY?
Have you registered your guns?
Have you modified or disposed of all magazines with capacity over 10 rounds?
And yes, you can take your gun with you when you tinkle in NC.
Concealed Handgun Chart
You can polish a turd till it shines, but it is still a turd.
Guns & Ammo disagrees with your assessment. "States like California, Connecticut and New York have repeatedly illustrated their disregard for individual rights through legislation that restricts the ability of its citizens to purchase and possess firearms."
And the only place ranked less gun friendly than NY is DC.
50. New York
Right-to-Carry: 2
MSRs: 1
Class 3/NFA: 0
Castle Doctrine: 3
Miscellaneous: 0
TOTAL: 6
19. North Carolina
Right-to-Carry: 8
MSRs: 10
Class 3/NFA: 9
Castle Doctrine: 9
Miscellaneous: 7
TOTAL: 43
Best States for Gun Owners 2014 | Guns & Ammo
Ranking for concealed carry
46. New York
2013 Rank: 46
Permit Issuance: 5
Reciprocity: 6
Training Time: 6
Application Fee: 5
Castle Doctrine: 3
Best States for Gun Owners 2014: 2
Duty to Inform: 5
Preemption: 0
Issued to Non-Res: 2
TOTAL: 34
30. North Carolina
2013 Rank: 27
Permit Issuance: 20
Reciprocity: 18
Training Time: 7
Application Fee: 2
Castle Doctrine: 9
Best States for Gun Owners 2014: 8
Duty to Inform: 0
Preemption: 5
Issued to Non-Res: 0
TOTAL: 69
And probably the most important is protection under Castle Doctrine.
BC1
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Guns and ammo doesn't mean jack. That's no source for any information. No different than listening to your gun store employee. I'm sourcing your state department of justice... the definitive authority. I'm sourcing my state law... the definitive authority. Argue that.
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As far as mags over ten rounds? I've never owned them. Not in 30 years of handgun ownership. Didn't own one before the law. Don't need one after the law. The guns I carry have mag capacities of seven rounds by design. Not because of the law. Because I carry only sub-compact guns (Kimber and Ruger) that don't hold more than seven. I dress when I go out. usually jeans, shoes, dress shirt and blazer. I certainly don't want that stupid gun as an accessory. I want it out of sight for my own reasons. I don't want it nagging against my console or tangled in a seat belt. I surely don't want it printing through my blazer. Not everyone wants that stupid thing on their hip.
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Explain castle doctrine. It's no different here. Use of deadly force is allowed to thwart a burglary (unlawful entry is burglary in NYS) under NY Penal S35.20. Again XD, understand the law before you argue the point. You have no more rights under your law than I have under NY law where castle doctrine is concerned. You'll need to read the entire NYS Penal Law before arguing what I can or can't do. Don't rely on the chat forum NY bashing. I leave the house with that heater in my pocket and other than a school, there's really no where I can't go. You can't say the same thing.
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What percentage of the population in NC has a CCW permit? In upstate NYS (excluding NYC because those residents aren't eligible for a NYS permit) there are just over 1 million CCW permits in a population of about 8 million adults. That's one in every eight adults... who can picket their job or stop to pay their taxes without disarming.
XD40scinNC
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- In NC one is required to provide proof of training to qualify for a permit. NY does not. And having people trained to get a permit is bad?
- In NC a permit is valid for 5 years. And what if they refuse to renew it? I've never needed to renew anything in NY. They cannot refuse to renew without due cause, and they must specify the reason. Remember is a "shall" issue state.
- In NC one must be a citizen. In NY one must only be a resident alien. Citizenship rights
- In NC one must inform LEO when carrying. In NY we still have the right to remain silent. No statutory requirement to notify anyone. Are you saying we should notify LE? Happened once, and the cop said "mmmmmm OK"
- In NC signs have weight of law. In NY they do not. Property rights, and you are free to go elsewhere
- In NC you may not have a single drop of alcohol in your system when carrying. In NY there is no such law. Are your saying we should enact another restrictive law? Alcohol impairs judgment and motor skills.
- In NC you may not carry a gun at any rest area on a public road. WTF? NY has nothing like this. You are wrong.
- In NC you may not carry a weapon at a strike. In NYS strikers carry guns at the picket line all the time. Never even heard of a problem. It's perfectly legal. Never been in a union.
- In NC one can't enter a courthouse with a legal weapon. In NYS I can check my gun at the courthouse and enter. So you can't really enter the courthouse armed either.
- In NC one can't enter local municipalities armed. NYS I may enter my county and town buildings without breaking a law. No signs. I do it all the time. Certain offices like social services require checking-in the weapon. State and federal offices are GFZ, local government is up to the local government
- In NC signs carry weight of law. In NYS a sign on private property has absolutely no weight of law. Property rights are also honored here.
- In NC one is required to lock the gun when a minor is in the home. The Heller SCOTUS decision ruled that requiring locking a gun in the home is a violation of the second. They ruled that a locked gun is not available for protection. In NYS one must only lock the gun when not at home if there is a person in the home designated not suitable for firearms possession. You are reading way too much into that, and the law only specifies; It is unlawful to store or leave a firearm that can be discharged in a manner that a reasonable person should know is accessible to a minor. And keeping loaded guns inaccessible to children is bad how?
BC1
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This wasn't a comparison of what you do. It was a comparison of the laws.
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You endorsed these restrictive laws saying you don't belong to a union.
You endorsed restrictive laws saying people shouldn't drink when armed.
You endorsed a state law that refuses your second amendment right unless you take training.
You endorsed a law that demands your arrested for not seeing a sign prohibiting weapons.
You endorsed a law that requires giving-up your gun for failure to notify LE during a traffic stop.
You endorsed a law that demands your arrest the moment you enter a building housing a courthouse. Not only can I walk-in, I can have them store the gun for me.
You endorsed a law that demands your arrest for entering a municipal government building.
You endorsed a law that requires you lock your firearm at all times when a child resides in the home or face a class-1 misdemeanor (see § 14-315.1. Storage of firearms to protect minors). While storing firearms safely is mandatory, and while I do it even though there are no kids in the home anymore, the SCOTUS has ruled this unconstitutional as part of the Heller case. I don't disagree with this law. But there isn't much time to open a safe or lock-box when the door gets kicked-in... thus the comments in the Heller decision.
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I see the changes from 2013 to 2014 lifted the restrictions on parades, wakes, funerals, restaurants, etc.
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XD, c'mon man, you just made a case for gun control.
XD40scinNC
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Speaking of gun control, you seem to be ignoring my question about "are you a felon in NY for not registering your guns and/or having magazines with over 10 rounds capacity?", or have you complied to these onerous laws?
