Cop accidentally shoots self in elevator.
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A self defense weapon that is not chambered, is an absolute defenseless weapon. you might as well, ask the bad guy for permission to chamber your weapon before he kills you. Or tell the home invasion BG that your gun is in the safe, so please give me permission to go and unlock it from the safe before you shoot me a rape my wife.
N R A
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After you ND a round into your wife or child, you wonder back here and let us know what the inside of a trauma center smells like. The attitude, that shows you have only one mindset, shows you can never wear this hat and live up to its ideals. I doubt you can even grasp the concepts.
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It is 100% OK, to carry any way you choose, the mental problem, is you thinking someone else, carrying somehow you do not is inferior to you. There are other good choices, you are not making for yourself, and your family, you live with your decisions, I do not have to. I have friends that carry ways I do not. They are not ridiculed by me, I just understand they are going to live with the consequences of their carry methods, not me. I do not call them names, and act foolish, because they train a certain way. They likewise, are also respectful of my prudent choices.
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I do not carry a triple retention holster, some people do. Do those people that do carry triple retention holsters, call the double retention holster people stupid, mindless, idiots? I have not seen that, and it would be uncalled for.
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Bottom line, Stay Safe, and park all attitudes. Study, embrace learning, don't just embrace debating your current position. Debating the sea worthiness of the Titanic, while it was sinking, did go on, right up till the deck chairs floated away.
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The interesting true fact about the Titanic deck chairs, they stayed put longer, the ones that had people sitting on them.
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It is 100% OK, to carry any way you choose, the mental problem, is you thinking someone else, carrying somehow you do not is inferior to you. There are other good choices, you are not making for yourself, and your family, you live with your decisions, I do not have to. I have friends that carry ways I do not. They are not ridiculed by me, I just understand they are going to live with the consequences of their carry methods, not me. I do not call them names, and act foolish, because they train a certain way. They likewise, are also respectful of my prudent choices.
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I do not carry a triple retention holster, some people do. Do those people that do carry triple retention holsters, call the double retention holster people stupid, mindless, idiots? I have not seen that, and it would be uncalled for.
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Bottom line, Stay Safe, and park all attitudes. Study, embrace learning, don't just embrace debating your current position. Debating the sea worthiness of the Titanic, while it was sinking, did go on, right up till the deck chairs floated away.
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The interesting true fact about the Titanic deck chairs, they stayed put longer, the ones that had people sitting on them.
CharlesMorrison
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You do understand that the majority of instructors that have the same piece of paper from the NRA that you do teach people how to safely carry in condition 1 for daily personal protection carry....
And you can keep your NRA hats... They have very few uncompromised ideals left that I will agree with, let alone advertise
CharlesMorrison
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I'm just going on my gut here but I don't think he got the memo...
Firefighterchen
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Hahaha NRA has ideals...Lol lol
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Bikenut
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The arrogant elitist sanctimoniousness along with an expressed spiteful desire for others to come to harm shown in that post reminds me of every anti gunner I've ever met in real life or online present an argument against the lowly commoners being "allowed" to own and carry guns.
The desire for the commoners to recognize the superiority of, and to submit to doing what they are being told to do by, their self appointed betters is glaringly, and painfully, obviously the very same.
N R A
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Here is a video example of a Dumb Ass. I am sure 6 people here worship this nut job.
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Does he have good videos, good training? I would not give this whack job a plug nickel. Sure, he does have good videos, I have posted some of them, when he makes a valid point, but many times, this guy is just stupid, and it looks like Facebook has finally figured that out and banned him. lol
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You Tube has in the past banned him, he has had his CC permit yanked at least once, and on and on, yet, somehow the dumb people keep finding a media outlet, to make themselves feel like someone is listening to them. Yeager, and the half dozen drug smoking whack jobs in this form, keep posting, keep being stupid, in as many places as will let them, and the sober people, the people doing the good work, will work at undoing all the stupid stuff they have left as roadblocks for true 2nd Amendment supporters.
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Does he have good videos, good training? I would not give this whack job a plug nickel. Sure, he does have good videos, I have posted some of them, when he makes a valid point, but many times, this guy is just stupid, and it looks like Facebook has finally figured that out and banned him. lol
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You Tube has in the past banned him, he has had his CC permit yanked at least once, and on and on, yet, somehow the dumb people keep finding a media outlet, to make themselves feel like someone is listening to them. Yeager, and the half dozen drug smoking whack jobs in this form, keep posting, keep being stupid, in as many places as will let them, and the sober people, the people doing the good work, will work at undoing all the stupid stuff they have left as roadblocks for true 2nd Amendment supporters.
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bofh
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Thanks for outing yourself further. You are, as usual, you are far behind the curve. His Facebook account has been reactivated. As for the dumb people keep finding a media outlet, look in the mirror. Based on your comments so far in this Forum, I have certainly more respect for James Yeager than you. I have posted three videos arguing that carrying an empty chamber is misguided at best, two by well-known instructors (James Yeager and Rob Pincus) and one by a well-known NRA spokesperson (Colion Noir). All three are, by the way, NRA members. Your counter arguments, ranging from firearms manuals to posting videos of negligent discharges, were not convincing. Since you seem to have run out of arguments, you focus on personal attacks. Great job.
Do you mean those true 2nd Amendment supporters?:
Vegaman
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Isn't that what you have been doing here? Granted, both sides have gotten a little heated, but your side is apparently just watiing for the other to shoot themselves, and you certainly seem to be saying in so many words that anyone who carries "cocked and locked" is an unsafe idiot. Not the most civil of discourses in my opinion.
As a side note, I generally carry a revolver, not for safety concerns, just what I grew up with and was initially trained on. I do also carry a 1911 Commander on occasion. It's got about a 20# recoil spring in it. I do not see drawing and racking the slide in a high pressure situation as being a viable choice, let alone attempting a one handed rack on my belt.
CharlesMorrison
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BC1
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Now try it un-chambered. Yer dead buddy. A revolver becomes a better choice for those who don't feel good carrying chambered.
BC1
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I can tell you with absolute certainty I will never have a ND. There is zero question on this. Won't happen, ever. When that gun is with me it is the singularly most important thing in my mind, whether handling it or just carrying it.
Another instructor, huh! OK, let me see how nicely I can say this: I've got more than 60 years of gun-handling experience that say the above remark CANNOT POSSIBLY be true.
NavyLCDR, the question you ask, above, is shockingly NAIVE! (You're joking, right!) :blink:
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FNWylde
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That was the perfect lead-in to your own ND incident. Why not finish the story?
I am being completely serious. How is it safer to carry a Smith and Wesson .38 Bodyguard DAO Revolver with the cylinder fully loaded than it is to carry the Smith and Wesson .380 Bodyguard DAO semi-automatic with a round in the chamber? What is required to cause the guns to fire? Pull the trigger all the way to the rear.
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So, what's the difference the makes the fully loaded revolver safer?
Hmmm, every firearm I have is handled like it has a live round chambered. So I don't play with them.
I suppose one can become complacent. Regardless, a safety on a firearm is a conditional and temporary thing and should not be totally relied upon, though an external safety would have helped negate the incident being discussed.
There are always two mistakes made just prior to a negligent discharge.
The first and most important one is assuming you have everything under control.
I suppose one can become complacent. Regardless, a safety on a firearm is a conditional and temporary thing and should not be totally relied upon, though an external safety would have helped negate the incident being discussed.
There are always two mistakes made just prior to a negligent discharge.
The first and most important one is assuming you have everything under control.
BC1
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None at all. It's all in their head anyway. Some people feel the 12 pound trigger makes them safer.
