Smoking Pot and Carrying Concealed... not so sure it's wise

You can copy and paste, you still haven't explained it...remember earlier you stated marijuana was a schedule one drug because it cures cancer...now you pasted the definition which says there is no medical purpose...so which is it?



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Difference between Hemp and Marijuana

Hemp is an amazing plant that has been cultivated for thousands of years. It is incredibly versatile and valuable, but it is also incredibly controversial as well. When most people think about hemp, a picture of marijuana pops into their head because these two plants are often confused as the same product. Hemp products, such as clothing or purses, is not made of a material that is illegal to own, nor is it made of anything that can get you high. That is only marijuana.
THC [Tetrahydrocannabinol]

The smoking of female marijuana buds (or flowers) will cause the smoker to become high, but the same procedure with hemp won't have that effect. There is less than a single percent of THC within hemp, while the female of the marijuana plant has 10-20% of THC. The THC is what gives the person smoking the marijuana the high. Male plants are solely used for marijuana seed production. The hemp plant and the marijuana plant look different and both plants are harvested in different ways. A marijuana plant is usually short with a bushy appearance. The females of the species grow buds and flowers that have orange or white hairs, known as pistils, and they develop THC crystals. Hemp plants, on the other hand, are quite tall (up to 25'), have small flowers, and get covered in a pollen that holds the seeds. Marijuana has many fewer uses than hemp, which can be used to manufacture over 25,000 products. You can find hemp bird food, diapers, insulation, perfume, conditioner, paper and carpeting. Rope is also a common use for hemp, and it does not rot, making it more useful than traditional rope. Hemp can also be used as a highly digestible food, allowing you to have a happier and healthier life.
Confusion

Many people confuse hemp and marijuana. People who are focused on legalizing hemp often refer to the uses and lack of pesticide requirements when trying to prove their side of the debate. People who are focused on the opposing side, however, usually refer to their worry that marijuana would soon be legalized as well due to the same plant being the basis for both. There are also opponents who say other materials can be more cheaply made than hemp, but that argument is easily disproved. The cultivation of hemp is still illegal within the United States, but hemp is still being imported in many different forms, including food. Marijuana cultivation is supposed to be illegal due to the health effects, but this argument is quickly fading as well with all of the proven health benefits that many studies have found. Most debates concerning the legalization of marijuana end up being the same arguments that are used for hemp legalization, but we have to keep in mind that these products are simply not the same.

About the similarity of hemp and cannabis

The biggest thing they have in common (and the biggest reason for the confusion) is the fact that both plants are different varieties of the same plant: the Cannabis Sativa. Hemp is grown legally in 29 different countries world-wide, with China, Russia and Korea leading the production. In the United States, however, it is not legal to grow marijuana or hemp. You can own products made of hemp that's why you find hemp-based products on store's shelves. The aroma of both plants is quite similar when blooming, but marijuana is the only plant with enough THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) to make a person high. The traces contained within the hemp plant are not enough to cause a traditional "high".
 
Why can't it be enough for it to be illegal to actually commit a criminal act with a gun? Why does it have to be illegal to simply carry it? That's like saying let's fix the drunk driving problem by making it illegal to carry car keys under the influence.

If you don't know the answer to that question perhaps you should stay off this thread because ignorance is no excuse for getting people hurt or killed. Seriously if you don't know go over to the sponge bob thread. He's the guy with the square pants and lives in a pine apple. Come to think of it sponge bob probably smokes dope...you might learn something.

In other words, you have no reasonable answer for my question, which is commonplace for you. Washington state, as well as many other states, have no state laws prohibiting the possession of firearms while under the influence of alcohol or marijuana. (Yes, there are Federal prohibitions). Show us where there has been a danger to the public that has manifested itself in reality from the lack of such laws in these states. The only manifestation of a danger to the public is in your imagination, which is why you have to resort to childish insults in your posts in reply - because you got nothing else to reply with.
 
What would that be? the part where I call you out on wanting to infringe on everyones RIGHTS for doing something you dont like?

It has nothing to do with "What I don't like". "Call me out" on what? Consuming a mind altering drug, then playing with guns infringes on my, and everyone else's SAFETY. It's got as much to do with "rights" as yelling fire in a crowded theatre, or driving drunk. It's just even more stupid and idiotic.
 
I suggest you do a little research on the word illegal. We (the American people) have allowed hundreds of laws to be placed on the books that go directly against the constitution. Attacking me, does nothing to fix the damage done or prevent it from happening again. The Supreme Court hasn't struck down the federal laws on controlled substances, maybe... just maybe, it really is illegal.

il·le·gal
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adjective
1. contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"
synonyms:unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, criminal, felonious; More
antonyms:lawful, legitimate

Unconstitutional Official Acts

16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.....

A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the lend, it is superseded thereby.

No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

Jon Roland:

Strictly speaking, an unconstitutional statute is not a "law", and should not be called a "law", even if it is sustained by a court, for a finding that a statute or other official act is constitutional does not make it so, or confer any authority to anyone to enforce it.

All citizens and legal residents of the United States, by their presence on the territory of the United States, are subject to the militia duty, the duty of the social compact that creates the society, which requires that each, alone and in concert with others, not only obey the Constitution and constitutional official acts, but help enforce them, if necessary, at the risk of one's life.

Any unconstitutional act of an official will at least be a violation of the oath of that official to execute the duties of his office, and therefore grounds for his removal from office. No official immunity or privileges of rank or position survive the commission of unlawful acts. If it violates the rights of individuals, it is also likely to be a crime, and the militia duty obligates anyone aware of such a violation to investigate it, gather evidence for a prosecution, make an arrest, and if necessary, seek an indictment from a grand jury, and if one is obtained, prosecute the offender in a court of law.
 
Colorado already has this law in existence:

18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

(b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

(c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

(d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 18-18-102 (5). Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

Washington state has no such law. Show me real world evidence to suggest that people in Washington state have been placed in more danger from drunks or stoned people in possession of firearms than people in Colorado.
 
Out of surgery, in the recovery room. You do not know where you are, who you are married to, what day it is, or what planet you are on. If you ask the nurse for you EDC gun, is it a violation of your rights, not to give it to you? Only an imbecile, thinks the 2nd Amendment applies 24/7/365, period, no common sense need be applied.

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One has to use the knob on the top of ones shoulders, to figure out when and why carry is a good thing, and when it is best to leave it locked up in your safe.
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Some people on here, act like decision making skills are never needed, all one has to do is read your rights, and bully forward. Rights, sure, but prudence in equal measure with rights.
 
Out of surgery, in the recovery room. You do not know where you are, who you are married to, what day it is, or what planet you are on. If you ask the nurse for you EDC gun, is it a violation of your rights, not to give it to you? Only an imbecile, thinks the 2nd Amendment applies 24/7/365, period, no common sense need be applied.

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One has to use the knob on the top of ones shoulders, to figure out when and why carry is a good thing, and when it is best to leave it locked up in your safe.
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Some people on here, act like decision making skills are never needed, all one has to do is read your rights, and bully forward. Rights, sure, but prudence in equal measure with rights.

Spoken like a true N R A person.

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The liberal STUPID is very thick with a few of the posters in this thread, especially those who project their own failings onto others....
 
Smoking an hallucinogenic drug and then doing anything with guns is just plain ignorant and blocking people from mixing the two is not a violation of rights. It would be a violation of everyone else's rights to safety letting a drug charged pot smoker do anything with guns. Falure to reconize that, shows bad judgment.
I smoked that crap during my entire youth and through college. It was the 70's. Never saw or heard of such a thing.
 
I smoked that crap during my entire youth and through college. It was the 70's. Never saw or heard of such a thing.

You didn't have concealed carry in the 70's. Today it's everywhere. Mix it with open dope smoking and you've got a disaster waiting to happen. You just had an idiot woman in Idaho let her toddler grab her pistol and kill her with it. Do you think that situation would have improved itself if she just finished smoking a joint 10 minutes earlier? People are stupid enough in this country as it is. They don't need yet another intoxicant to make them even dumber.
 
You didn't have concealed carry in the 70's. Today it's everywhere. Mix it with open dope smoking and you've got a disaster waiting to happen. You just had an idiot woman in Idaho let her toddler grab her pistol and kill her with it. Do you think that situation would have improved itself if she just finished smoking a joint 10 minutes earlier? People are stupid enough in this country as it is. They don't need yet another intoxicant to make them even dumber.

So you are attempting to use a situation in which (as far as we know) marijuana was not even involved in order to support your opinion against marijuana and allowing possession of a firearm?!? Let's see, if you can't come up with any real and related evidence to support your opinion, let's just toss in a completely unrelated scenario.
 
So you are attempting to use a situation in which (as far as we know) marijuana was not even involved...........................

The incident I cited shows how stupid people are without dope. Please explain how mass society will be better off by being made even dumber by giving them more intoxicants? Most are too stupid and weak to manage prescription drugs in their best interest. And you think they'll be able to manage illegal drugs made legal in my best interest? Idiots are idiots, pure and simple. They don't need the means to become even bigger idiots.
 
The incident I cited shows how stupid people are without dope. Please explain how mass society will be better off by being made even dumber by giving them more intoxicants? Most are too stupid and weak to manage prescription drugs in their best interest. And you think they'll be able to manage illegal drugs made legal in my best interest? Idiots are idiots, pure and simple. They don't need the means to become even bigger idiots.

Then let's ban alcohol.
 
I think smoking weed is a misdemeanor in this state (AR) given certain conditions. I believe (don't quote me) that other charges like DUI and carrying might incur more harsh penalty than a misdemeanor. I'll have to check-it-out. It's been years since I heard anything about this in AR, so I'll get back and correct if I'm wrong.

I seem to recall that 4473s specifically have a do you use drugs or use marijuana yes/no question on it.

My thoughts on the matter are I'd prefer someone not be mellowed-out and carrying. YMMV. I'm neither condemning or approving it.
 

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