Smoking Pot and Carrying Concealed... not so sure it's wise

Wow, the stupid is thick in this quoted post......


I see no problem with allowing a person who smokes pot to carry concealed..... In my experience with the stuff (back in high school days) I dont think the person who has smoked some would be able to pull the trigger, he would keep going in a loop trying to make the decision, lol

Wow, the fruitcake pothead is thick in this post.

You friggin idiots...do you know what hallucinogenic means...it means the drug is in control...in control...in control. How many people will have to die to satisfy you that drugs and guns don't mix. Now go shove a bong up your ass and blow smoke.
 
If a person is going to carry, you assume the responsibility. To be under the influence while carrying, is plain and simple, bad ju-ju, period.

While I'm not a pot smoker, [and like alcohol] I don't see an issue with it if it's used responsibly. This is where some folks unfortunately, cannot draw that line of reason. I occasionally do drink alcohol, and with that said, if I decide to have "a few" with the buddies, that is when the gun gets put away. The choice to drink, and not have my carry, is mine to make. To be vulnerable for that period, is something that I need to be willing to accept.
If a situation breaks out while you are carrying and under the influence, the courts would likely use this against you while you're trying to argue your defense. Not worth It, IMO.

Don't know if you ever smoked pot, but a few beers is not going to allow you to get out of control. Pot will do that. The psychoactive ingredient...THC...cause all sorts of problems, and believe me once it begins you will not get back in control until the effects wear off. The worst of the effects are paranoid delusions. They can nearly mimic schizoid delusions. Potheads on this forum, already outting themselves, will clearly defend their demons even to the detriment of others. If you want to legalize drugs start with cocaine or even speed...at least the effects of those drugs are not hallucinogenic. Okay potheads blow some more smoke up each others butts...but you cannot say I am wrong. If you do please cite your sources...and not some other pothead pal of yours opinion...that is not source man...you know what I mean man...really groovy man.

There is not one pot smoker alive, if they are honest, will say they have never experienced an adverse psychological reaction to THC.
 
Don't know if you ever smoked pot, but a few beers is not going to allow you to get out of control. Pot will do that. The psychoactive ingredient...THC...cause all sorts of problems, and believe me once it begins you will not get back in control until the effects wear off. The worst of the effects are paranoid delusions. They can nearly mimic schizoid delusions. Potheads on this forum, already outting themselves, will clearly defend their demons even to the detriment of others. If you want to legalize drugs start with cocaine or even speed...at least the effects of those drugs are not hallucinogenic. Okay potheads blow some more smoke up each others butts...but you cannot say I am wrong. If you do please cite your sources...and not some other pothead pal of yours opinion...that is not source man...you know what I mean man...really groovy man.

There is not one pot smoker alive, if they are honest, will say they have never experienced an adverse psychological reaction to THC.
what YOU smoked before had to have been laced with pcp or something, because your description of what it does is the most inaccurate garbage ever penned....
 
I don't need my AR-15 "Assault Rifle", any more than Rosa Parks needed to sit in the front of the bus.

Rosa Parks wasn't sitting in the front of the bus. She was sitting in the "colored" section in the back of the bus, when the white section in the front filled up she was told to give up her seat for a white passenger and she refused.

Just sayin'
 
Should legal marijuana use (legal according to state law) be a disqualifier for a Concealed Pistol License, CHL, CWP, whatever it's called in your state? Yes or no.
No "poll" is needed because the ATF has already issued a letter regarding this.

ATF Open Letter To FFL's Regarding Medical Marijuana

If you are a user of "Medical Marijuana" you are a illegal user of Marijuana, and will be denied the purchase of a firearm. Marijuana is illegal under federal law. The ATF operates under all Federal statutes and laws. Bottom line: Use dope.... No guns. Whine all you want, those are the facts.

First, you obviously can't tell the difference between SHOULD BE and IS. For example, should there be a background check if I want to sell my daughter a gun in Washington. The answer is obviously NO there SHOULD NOT be. But the fact is that as of December 4 in Washington a background check is required if I want to sell my daughter a gun.

Second, where did you come up with such an original link to the ATF open letter to FFLs? Wasn't my link in post #13 to the actual letter from the ATF website good enough?

The ATF says otherwise. I would think an NRA instructor would know that.....

https://www.atf.gov/files/press/rel...all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf
 
what YOU smoked before had to have been laced with pcp or something, because your description of what it does is the most inaccurate garbage ever penned....

Sorry pal...you are never going to get me to back off eliminating your precious drug once and forever.

Here is one link...now axemoron may try to convince you that this article is garbage...of course the article attacks his or her sensibilities, ya know how the truth hurts, but it does not say pot is good for ya. If anyone needs more studies just ask and I will provide them. Maybe axemoron has some information, other than dumb ass assertions, like ..."most inaccurate garbage ever"...why do you do that...ya know...make assertions? Is that all you got? clearly potheads trying to protect their precious drugs only have dumb assed assertions.
check it out axemoron...Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana
 
Hey axemoron...here is another for you and your goofy band of potheads

From the National Institute on Drug Abuse

DrugFacts: Marijuana | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Axe...will you please provide the link that shows us all this information is a lie...oh...oh...or is caused by pcp ingestion. I eagerly await your nonsense..er..uh..educated response!

Oh yeah...just to be sure this report was 2014 not 1932...
 
I read some of these comments and cant help but think I am on a left wing anti gun site. Why do you care if someone smokes pot, as long as they are not carrying while they are baked? I don't think anyone should be carrying a firearm while they are under the influence of anything but just because they smoke pot doesn't make them dangerous. What someone does on there own time, as long as it is legal do so and is not putting other people in harms way should in no way interfere with them carrying a gun.
 
I read some of these comments and cant help but think I am on a left wing anti gun site. Why do you care if someone smokes pot, as long as they are not carrying while they are baked? I don't think anyone should be carrying a firearm while they are under the influence of anything but just because they smoke pot doesn't make them dangerous. What someone does on there own time, as long as it is legal do so and is not putting other people in harms way should in no way interfere with them carrying a gun.

Go visit the links I provided...don't make assertions. Then tell me why Adam Lanza shouldn't be carrying a firearm. Potheads get pretty whacked out...now if you are a pothead have the intellectual honesty to admit it. Please don't make warm and fuzzy assertions...it sounds left wing.
 
Hi, my name is jimmy and I believe EVERYTHING someone else writes about something I know nothing about.... because it is on the internet or sumfin, y'know?


I swear, some people never came down off that acid their mom took.....


I would MUCH RATHER meet someone driving a car under the influence of pot than alcohol.... Just because society (or govt) shuns one type of drug over another, doesnt make the shunned one worse jimmy boy..... and for the record, I havent smoked any weed since my high school days.... over 30 years ago...
 
Sorry pal...you are never going to get me to back off eliminating your precious drug once and forever.

Here is one link...now axemoron may try to convince you that this article is garbage...of course the article attacks his or her sensibilities, ya know how the truth hurts, but it does not say pot is good for ya. If anyone needs more studies just ask and I will provide them. Maybe axemoron has some information, other than dumb ass assertions, like ..."most inaccurate garbage ever"...why do you do that...ya know...make assertions? Is that all you got? clearly potheads trying to protect their precious drugs only have dumb assed assertions.
check it out axemoron...Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

I took a gander at that link and didn't see a single link to any study or data underpinning the assertions made there. I guess just because it's on WebMD.com we're supposed to take their word for it? I'm somewhat of an authority on pot smoking too, Jim. Started when I was 11 or 12 and had my fill by the time I was 25 or thereabouts. Been close to 35 years since I've partaken, but I recall my young and self-destructive days very well in spite of all the partying I did. I also have life-long friends who still partake in (some) moderation, and the authority with which you assert what pot will do to the human mind and body is in direct contradiction to my own personal experience, or that of anyone I've ever known, as do the assertions made at your link in the body of the piece, though the listed effects seem pretty accurate:

  • Dizziness
  • Shallow breathing
  • Red eyes and dilated pupils
  • Dry mouth
  • Increased appetite
  • Slowed reaction time (If you drive after using marijuana, your risk of being in a car accident more than doubles.)

Except for dizziness and slow reaction times, this list presents no potential for anything dangerous, and even the dizziness and slow reaction times are perfectly consistent with alcohol consumption too.

Glaringly absent from that list is anything backing up your claim that pot is a hallucinogen. I certainly never had any hallucinogenic experiences with pot, except maybe thinking that Pauly Shore was actually funny.

Another claim to being an "authority" on pot that I have is through my family tree. My late uncle, Warren McCollum, Played "Jimmy" in the exploitation/propaganda cult-classic, "Reefer Madness." He played the high school student who succumbed to the "pusher man's" urgings to join the other party-goers by taking a few tokes. He then left the party, as the story goes, and ran over someone innocently crossing the street (about 26:20 in the link). The film was done in 1938. A couple or three of years later Uncle Warren had to parachute out of the bomber he was the bombardier on somewhere over an (unknown to me) island in the South Pacific. He broke his leg and ankle and by the time I was born in '55, was a very strange and disturbed fellow. He and my aunt and their four kids bought the house right next door to my Granny's house, which is where I grew up, so I saw Warren nearly every single day of my life up until I ran away, and then joined the Army in '72. He would never talk about the war, kept to himself to the point of not even responding to people, including us kids, around him. By age 70 or so, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and oddly-enough, that is what made him open up and begin to enjoy life a bit. Maybe a year or so before the tumor took him, he asked my cousin, his son, if he would get him some pot, which my cousin did, and the ol' guy stayed stoned literally for the rest of his days. That was the only time in my 25 or 30 years of growing up and living in very close proximity to him, that I actually got to know him at all, and that was long before any talk of "medicinal marijuana" started making the rounds also. But it was unquestionably medicinal for him. It helped relieve the headaches from the tumor, and allowed him to eat enough so that he didn't have to go to some kind of old folks home and be hooked up to IV's all day, every day.

The overwhelming amount of evidence in my life strongly suggests that pot has no lasting deleterious effects on anyone, regardless of amount consumed or age of the consumer or frequency or longevity of the consumption. That's my story, as an "authority," and I'm stickin' to it.

Blues
 
I figured someone would bring up reefer madness. Just keep your potheads out of my way and make sure they are disarmed when they have to come around me. You miss one important point Blues...not everyone has the identical experience. It is the ones that develop paranoid delusions that trouble me...maybe that is not you...maybe you are the exception...maybe every pothead on this forum is the exception too. It is the ones that develop time and spatial screw ups that disturb me. But maybe someone that takes a few tokes will shoot you dead because they experience a psychotic episode. You know what...nobody is mentally ill and everyone should have guns. You know how I know that...it is because I have never been mentally ill therefore mental illness is a myth because I never ever experienced it.

Hey...ya know what...I don't care who smokes dope...let them screw themselves to the wall...just don't give the idiots guns.


Most guys never experienced menstrual cramps but that doesn't mean they aren't real. For God's sake just because someone doesn't experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You can take that chance with your life and the lives of those you care about but don't take that chance with my life and the ones I care about. You don't have that right nor has it ever been given to you. Your right to swing you fist stops at my nose.

Now if you can link to information that refutes the information I have provided please do so. As I said in my earlier post subjective experience is not worth spit. But if that is all you got then that is all you got. Do you really think that is enough. LOL
 
Jim to answer your question is am not a "pothead". But I may or may not have smoked it when I was a kid. That was a long long time ago, if I actually ever smoked it. But anyone at anytime could have a psychotic episode brought on by a chemical imbalance in the extremely complicated machine I call a human. Particularly in the part which I will call for lack of a better word the brain. This chemical imbalance could be brought on by a substance put into the body. This could include marijuana, alcohol, your pain med prescribed by your doctor or even a severe stress situation. To keep people from firearms because of what ifs is for lack of a better word stupid. Adam lanza was nuts! He showed the world this by shooting up a school full of children. (For those who believe it happend) people who are not nuts do not do such calculated acts of violence.

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Rosa Parks wasn't sitting in the front of the bus. She was sitting in the "colored" section in the back of the bus, when the white section in the front filled up she was told to give up her seat for a white passenger and she refused.

Just sayin'

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That's right you're from Alabama aren't you, you'd know the history
 
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That's right you're from Alabama aren't you, you'd know the history

Umm....I don't recall you ever saying that you're from Alabama, and you know the history.

Actually, I liked it because it was historically accurate, that's all. To be fully historically accurate in the above post, you'd have to say that I'm from California, which is one of the accomplishments in life I am most proud of.

Kind of a weird reply to a simple "Like." Would you rather I didn't like your posts?

Blues
 
Jim to answer your question is am not a "pothead". But I may or may not have smoked it when I was a kid. That was a long long time ago, if I actually ever smoked it. But anyone at anytime could have a psychotic episode brought on by a chemical imbalance in the extremely complicated machine I call a human. Particularly in the part which I will call for lack of a better word the brain. This chemical imbalance could be brought on by a substance put into the body. This could include marijuana, alcohol, your pain med prescribed by your doctor or even a severe stress situation. To keep people from firearms because of what ifs is for lack of a better word stupid. Adam lanza was nuts! He showed the world this by shooting up a school full of children. (For those who believe it happend) people who are not nuts do not do such calculated acts of violence.

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Please folks, understand the difference. Regulated alcohol and prescription drugs have undergone a regimen of testing by the USDA so that the very vast majority of folks that use them they way they were intended, do not experience any adverse affects. In other words the side effects are predictable. Show me some studies on pot. I have provided you guys 2 but you seem to not want the information. You folks are as guilty as the gungrabbers when it comes to selecting information that is relevant. Hell, Blues thinks his own personal experience with pot is superior to reports and studies that show a negative side of pot. Blues...your guns have never killed anybody I presume...therefore no guns have ever killed anyone...right. Marijuana...which I smoked many many years ago (question 11e on 4473 is asking about your current condition...not past). Pot has not been so rigorously tested...if memory serves me right...never been tested by USDA...no human trials...nothing. Back when I was in my 20's we blew a little pot smoke into the gerbils cage...one gerbil ate the other gerbil...that was all the testing I needed. I will wager any bet that potheads don't want the USDA sticking their noses in pot because they know it will never be approved for human consumption.

Sure...pyschotic episodes can occur any where at any time...but why invite a psychotic episode by legalizing a drug that can create a psychotic episode. Pot is completely unregulated and it is killing people...now lets add guns to the mix. Do you guys really think that it is responsible to let potheads tote guns...you are feeding into the gungrabbers bag of tricks. If you think it is a good idea for potheads to have guns then I am in the wrong place.
 
Look at the people flocking to Colorado since they legalized pot. Most look like out of work gardeners. Do you think NASA is ringing their phones off the hook with job offers for these head cases?
 
I figured someone would bring up reefer madness. Just keep your potheads out of my way and make sure they are disarmed when they have to come around me. You miss one important point Blues...not everyone has the identical experience. It is the ones that develop paranoid delusions that trouble me...maybe that is not you...maybe you are the exception...maybe every pothead on this forum is the exception too. It is the ones that develop time and spatial screw ups that disturb me. But maybe someone that takes a few tokes will shoot you dead because they experience a psychotic episode. You know what...nobody is mentally ill and everyone should have guns. You know how I know that...it is because I have never been mentally ill therefore mental illness is a myth because I never ever experienced it.

Hey...ya know what...I don't care who smokes dope...let them screw themselves to the wall...just don't give the idiots guns.


Most guys never experienced menstrual cramps but that doesn't mean they aren't real. For God's sake just because someone doesn't experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You can take that chance with your life and the lives of those you care about but don't take that chance with my life and the ones I care about. You don't have that right nor has it ever been given to you. Your right to swing you fist stops at my nose.

Now if you can link to information that refutes the information I have provided please do so. As I said in my earlier post subjective experience is not worth spit. But if that is all you got then that is all you got. Do you really think that is enough. LOL

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